More bad news, Biggs: Jones to IR w/ neck injury

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More bad news, Biggs: Jones to IR w/ neck injury Sept 21, 2023 10:54:30 GMT -6

Post by AlexM on Sept 21, 2023 10:54:30 GMT -6

Sept 21, 2023 10:46:11 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Sept 21, 2023 10:43:00 GMT -6 AlexM said:

Me too, so I dont get what the difference between yours, rics and my opinion. Same thing. While you have your QB sitting and learning you finish the work on WR and OL

If you draft a qb first overall, or even top 5, you aren't going to have him sit. that's the difference. It's also a giant piece of the puzzle to solving the O, that high pick, that is now sitting on the bench instead of playing.

Worse yet, we don't even know if this O is functional to start with. Nothing Getsy did in GB had anything to do w/him, it had to do w/his HoF QB.

Last problem is a problem either way. If you draft him super high, I really dont see a problem why you dont sit him for a year (not 3!), if you have the balls. But, thats just me.
Would play Fields this year, and next year (maybe Bagent partly to see if he has something).

Regarding O, we need 1 OG and 1 OC as well as 1 LT and 1 WR (Mooney I would keep for a decent price), probably TE too. Thats 5 or 6 guys. 2 should be bought as FAs, others we draft, we have 6 picks in first 4 rounds. So doable. + you have another year to fill a hole or two before new QB plays. Well eff me if that is not a solid plan.

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More bad news, Biggs: Jones to IR w/ neck injury Sept 21, 2023 11:20:48 GMT -6

Post by riczaj01 on Sept 21, 2023 11:20:48 GMT -6

Sept 21, 2023 10:47:59 GMT -6 motm said:

Sept 20, 2023 14:24:05 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Not if they want to do this right. They need to skip the drafting of a high qb this year to fix this mess and get the O in order. Get the OL and WR's and TE's and a competent vet, not to win, just to get the Offense installed.

Think KC and Alex Smith, then draft a qb that can sit and learn it. You draft a qb next year, they're as doomed as Rex, Mitch and Fields.

Chiefs lucked out on Mahomes. In order to build a complete team around a rookie qb. You can't give up a huge amount of picks. Having a top 5 pick allows you to grab a QB you need without wasting too much. If I was the Bears. If you have one top 5 pick and one top 10 pick. Top 5 pick is for QB and the other top 10 pick I'm trading down again for a future 1st. Have the new QB play year 2 and finish out Fields contract. Year 2 with new QB you have a solid team behind them and a QB on a rookie contract for 3 years.

well yes, but everyone lucks into a successful qb. But there is a link between the ones that do and the ones that don't in the current nfl. that's having a functional system in place, have quality players that know and have shown they know their job and can do them. FA QB to input the O make sure it works, then draft the qb. You bring a qb into this mess and they will fail. 1 WR, a OL full of eh and no safety valve TE. We've seen this movie before and it always sucks.

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More bad news, Biggs: Jones to IR w/ neck injury Sept 21, 2023 11:31:10 GMT -6

Post by papabear7 on Sept 21, 2023 11:31:10 GMT -6

Sept 21, 2023 11:20:48 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Sept 21, 2023 10:47:59 GMT -6 motm said:

Chiefs lucked out on Mahomes. In order to build a complete team around a rookie qb. You can't give up a huge amount of picks. Having a top 5 pick allows you to grab a QB you need without wasting too much. If I was the Bears. If you have one top 5 pick and one top 10 pick. Top 5 pick is for QB and the other top 10 pick I'm trading down again for a future 1st. Have the new QB play year 2 and finish out Fields contract. Year 2 with new QB you have a solid team behind them and a QB on a rookie contract for 3 years.

well yes, but everyone lucks into a successful qb. But there is a link between the ones that do and the ones that don't in the current nfl. that's having a functional system in place, have quality players that know and have shown they know their job and can do them. FA QB to input the O make sure it works, then draft the qb. You bring a qb into this mess and they will fail. 1 WR, a OL full of eh and no safety valve TE. We've seen this movie before and it always sucks.

Devil's advocate: If the whole coaching staff gets swept out the door this offseason, would you still want the new staff to not get a new QB? If not, then don't we fall right back into tying a new coaching staff to the previous staff's QB?

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More bad news, Biggs: Jones to IR w/ neck injury Sept 21, 2023 11:34:37 GMT -6

Post by riczaj01 on Sept 21, 2023 11:34:37 GMT -6

Sept 21, 2023 10:54:30 GMT -6 AlexM said:

Sept 21, 2023 10:46:11 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

If you draft a qb first overall, or even top 5, you aren't going to have him sit. that's the difference. It's also a giant piece of the puzzle to solving the O, that high pick, that is now sitting on the bench instead of playing.

Worse yet, we don't even know if this O is functional to start with. Nothing Getsy did in GB had anything to do w/him, it had to do w/his HoF QB.

Last problem is a problem either way. If you draft him super high, I really dont see a problem why you dont sit him for a year (not 3!), if you have the balls. But, thats just me.
Would play Fields this year, and next year (maybe Bagent partly to see if he has something).

Regarding O, we need 1 OG and 1 OC as well as 1 LT and 1 WR (Mooney I would keep for a decent price), probably TE too. Thats 5 or 6 guys. 2 should be bought as FAs, others we draft, we have 6 picks in first 4 rounds. So doable. + you have another year to fill a hole or two before new QB plays. Well eff me if that is not a solid plan.

If you draft them high you are not sitting them 1 year it never happens.

Mooney is a 3 or 4 at best. You need a WR a TE, and as you said 3 OL. That's what you want to bring a rookie qb into; w/a coaching staff that is quickly getting moved to the hot seat. This is a Pace/Nagy move all over agian.

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More bad news, Biggs: Jones to IR w/ neck injury Sept 21, 2023 11:38:53 GMT -6

Post by riczaj01 on Sept 21, 2023 11:38:53 GMT -6

Sept 21, 2023 11:31:10 GMT -6 papabear7 said:

Sept 21, 2023 11:20:48 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

well yes, but everyone lucks into a successful qb. But there is a link between the ones that do and the ones that don't in the current nfl. that's having a functional system in place, have quality players that know and have shown they know their job and can do them. FA QB to input the O make sure it works, then draft the qb. You bring a qb into this mess and they will fail. 1 WR, a OL full of eh and no safety valve TE. We've seen this movie before and it always sucks.

Devil's advocate: If the whole coaching staff gets swept out the door this offseason, would you still want the new staff to not get a new QB? If not, then don't we fall right back into tying a new coaching staff to the previous staff's QB?

a new FA qb yes, not a rookie. There is nothing about the players on this roster that makes me think they deserve to be starting on a team outside of Moore and maybe Wright and Rojo. This entire O roster is middling to replaceable. Why bring in another rookie ala Rex, Orton, Mitch, Fields into the same mess and expect it to work this time? It's not the coaches, necessarily, its the environment you are bringing these rookies into.

I'm over watching this team ruin qb's. Bring in a new GM/HC/OC, build the O around a mid lvl vet that is capable of running the new O and build the roster up to the point that mid can run it, then draft a qb.

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More bad news, Biggs: Jones to IR w/ neck injury Sept 21, 2023 11:44:35 GMT -6

Post by AlexM on Sept 21, 2023 11:44:35 GMT -6

Sept 21, 2023 11:34:37 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Sept 21, 2023 10:54:30 GMT -6 AlexM said:

Last problem is a problem either way. If you draft him super high, I really dont see a problem why you dont sit him for a year (not 3!), if you have the balls. But, thats just me.
Would play Fields this year, and next year (maybe Bagent partly to see if he has something).

Regarding O, we need 1 OG and 1 OC as well as 1 LT and 1 WR (Mooney I would keep for a decent price), probably TE too. Thats 5 or 6 guys. 2 should be bought as FAs, others we draft, we have 6 picks in first 4 rounds. So doable. + you have another year to fill a hole or two before new QB plays. Well eff me if that is not a solid plan.

If you draft them high you are not sitting them 1 year it never happens.

Mooney is a 3 or 4 at best. You need a WR a TE, and as you said 3 OL. That's what you want to bring a rookie qb into; w/a coaching staff that is quickly getting moved to the hot seat. This is a Pace/Nagy move all over agian.

Enough with that NFL 'it never happens' stuff, sick of it. You do what you think is best.
Mooney is not a 3 or 4 at best, he is a 3, and 4 at worst.
And no, im not bringing rookie QB into that, as he is sitting for a year. Seems like you are arguing with yourself and twisting my words, so I said what I wanted on this topic.

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More bad news, Biggs: Jones to IR w/ neck injury Sept 21, 2023 11:52:18 GMT -6 riczaj01 and shark86 like this

Post by dachuckster on Sept 21, 2023 11:52:18 GMT -6

Sept 21, 2023 10:47:59 GMT -6 motm said:

Sept 20, 2023 14:24:05 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Not if they want to do this right. They need to skip the drafting of a high qb this year to fix this mess and get the O in order. Get the OL and WR's and TE's and a competent vet, not to win, just to get the Offense installed.

Think KC and Alex Smith, then draft a qb that can sit and learn it. You draft a qb next year, they're as doomed as Rex, Mitch and Fields.

Chiefs lucked out on Mahomes. In order to build a complete team around a rookie qb. You can't give up a huge amount of picks. Having a top 5 pick allows you to grab a QB you need without wasting too much. If I was the Bears. If you have one top 5 pick and one top 10 pick. Top 5 pick is for QB and the other top 10 pick I'm trading down again for a future 1st. Have the new QB play year 2 and finish out Fields contract. Year 2 with new QB you have a solid team behind them and a QB on a rookie contract for 3 years.

Andy Reid has been the HC at KC for just over 10 years. In those 10 years (remember that Mahomes has only been the starter for 5), KC has had the best overall record in the NFL. I'm sure it's luck that got them Mahomes. They took Mahomes as the #10 pick in the 2017 draft. There were two QBs taken before KC took Mahomes. So, they saw something in Mahomes that none of the other teams did.

Maybe the only luck they had was that Ryan Pace had no idea as to what he was doing. Everything else was due to intelligence, hard work, hiring the right people, etc.

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More bad news, Biggs: Jones to IR w/ neck injury Sept 21, 2023 12:03:29 GMT -6

Post by riczaj01 on Sept 21, 2023 12:03:29 GMT -6

Sept 21, 2023 11:52:18 GMT -6 dachuckster said:

Sept 21, 2023 10:47:59 GMT -6 motm said:

Chiefs lucked out on Mahomes. In order to build a complete team around a rookie qb. You can't give up a huge amount of picks. Having a top 5 pick allows you to grab a QB you need without wasting too much. If I was the Bears. If you have one top 5 pick and one top 10 pick. Top 5 pick is for QB and the other top 10 pick I'm trading down again for a future 1st. Have the new QB play year 2 and finish out Fields contract. Year 2 with new QB you have a solid team behind them and a QB on a rookie contract for 3 years.

Andy Reid has been the HC at KC for just over 10 years. In those 10 years (remember that Mahomes has only been the starter for 5), KC has had the best overall record in the NFL. I'm sure it's luck that got them Mahomes. They took Mahomes as the #10 pick in the 2017 draft. There were two QBs taken before KC took Mahomes. So, they saw something in Mahomes that none of the other teams did.

Maybe the only luck they had was that Ryan Pace had no idea as to what he was doing. Everything else was due to intelligence, hard work, hiring the right people, etc.

Ried also had a long and successful career in Philly before that.

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More bad news, Biggs: Jones to IR w/ neck injury Sept 21, 2023 12:06:40 GMT -6 riczaj01 likes this

Post by Whisky Beer Bob on Sept 21, 2023 12:06:40 GMT -6

Sept 21, 2023 12:03:29 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Sept 21, 2023 11:52:18 GMT -6 dachuckster said:

Andy Reid has been the HC at KC for just over 10 years. In those 10 years (remember that Mahomes has only been the starter for 5), KC has had the best overall record in the NFL. I'm sure it's luck that got them Mahomes. They took Mahomes as the #10 pick in the 2017 draft. There were two QBs taken before KC took Mahomes. So, they saw something in Mahomes that none of the other teams did.

Maybe the only luck they had was that Ryan Pace had no idea as to what he was doing. Everything else was due to intelligence, hard work, hiring the right people, etc.

Ried also had a long and successful career in Philly before that.

And Mohomes got to sit and watch. People forget that he did not trot out after getting drafted and ripped up the league. He sat and learned the system first.

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More bad news, Biggs: Jones to IR w/ neck injury Sept 21, 2023 12:07:01 GMT -6

Post by riczaj01 on Sept 21, 2023 12:07:01 GMT -6

Sept 21, 2023 11:44:35 GMT -6 AlexM said:

Sept 21, 2023 11:34:37 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

If you draft them high you are not sitting them 1 year it never happens.

Mooney is a 3 or 4 at best. You need a WR a TE, and as you said 3 OL. That's what you want to bring a rookie qb into; w/a coaching staff that is quickly getting moved to the hot seat. This is a Pace/Nagy move all over agian.

Enough with that NFL 'it never happens' stuff, sick of it. You do what you think is best.
Mooney is not a 3 or 4 at best, he is a 3, and 4 at worst.
And no, im not bringing rookie QB into that, as he is sitting for a year. Seems like you are arguing with yourself and twisting my words, so I said what I wanted on this topic.

You can have enough of it all you want; doesn't change that it never happens. No one picking #1 overall is sitting that qb for a full year.
No he is not a 3 at worst. he's not, nor was ARob a #1. Nor is Kmet deserving of his extension. Mooney is a 2 on a trash roster, and he's fighting w/Claypool for that role, who is trash on any roster.
You and I aren't doing anything. Its our opinion of what should be done. What the Bears do is completely different then what we do. They likely will take a qb in the top 10, and they will play him in year one, maybe not game 1, but year one. History shows that they will not have put the O in any kind of order to support it, and in 3 years we'll be bitching about another busted qb, as if we didn't see the signs over the last 20 years that it would all fail.

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