Is Bagent the next Purdy? Who knows? We may as well find out now. Nothing to lose. Even on a bad team, a good QB can show potential. Stroud was almost killed last week (6 sacks!) but still threw for 384 yards. So, if Bagent has the goods, we should be able to see signs.
I think you give Fields till roughly midseason. If he hasn't executed a major turnaround by then, the season is over anyway (we will be ~ 2-6) and you have your definitive answer that he's not the guy.
I think you give Bagent 4-6 starts late in the year to see what you have and get his feet wet in a no pressure situation. Hopefully you have found a solid #2 backup guy for the future.
Unlikely, but maybe just maybe he can become a Purdy 2.0
No team — much less this team— makes the playoffs starting 0-3. They can start Bagent after 3 games or 6 games. Either is OK with me. I just want a good, no-risk evaluation on him.
I think you give Fields till roughly midseason. If he hasn't executed a major turnaround by then, the season is over anyway (we will be ~ 2-6) and you have your definitive answer that he's not the guy.
I think you give Bagent 4-6 starts late in the year to see what you have and get his feet wet in a no pressure situation. Hopefully you have found a solid #2 backup guy for the future.
Unlikely, but maybe just maybe he can become a Purdy 2.0
No team — much less this team— makes the playoffs starting 0-3. They can start Bagent after 3 games or 6 games. Either is OK with me. I just want a good, no-risk evaluation on him.
It's a good thing to make that move after the team (including Fields, the players and coaches) are farther into the season. Just tossing a D2 rookie into this mess won't tell the Bears much if anything. Not right now anyway. I agree with Butkus. Training camp and preseason play isn't the same as real games. Now, maybe you get the kid reps later in the season when he's had more time with the team, the OL (hopefully) is settled and Jenkins is back and we have our starting 5 guys there again - and with a lot more game reps together. Clearly the WRs and TE's seem to be having issues now too... let that get cleaned up first. Give the kid a fighting chance here. Heck even some 1st round QBs like Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Love and others have been given time before starting and it has worked out. Nothing good will come from throwing a D2 kid in to this present mess.
No team — much less this team— makes the playoffs starting 0-3. They can start Bagent after 3 games or 6 games. Either is OK with me. I just want a good, no-risk evaluation on him.
It's a good thing to make that move after the team (including Fields, the players and coaches) are farther into the season. Just tossing a D2 rookie into this mess won't tell the Bears much if anything. Not right now anyway. I agree with Butkus. Training camp and preseason play isn't the same as real games. Now, maybe you get the kid reps later in the season when he's had more time with the team, the OL (hopefully) is settled and Jenkins is back and we have our starting 5 guys there again - and with a lot more game reps together. Clearly the WRs and TE's seem to be having issues now too... let that get cleaned up first. Give the kid a fighting chance here. Heck even some 1st round QBs like Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Love and others have been given time before starting and it has worked out. Nothing good will come from throwing a D2 kid in to this present mess.
I don’t expect him to win games. I just want to see what happens when he has time to throw and has a receiver open on a 15-yd. slant pass downfield. Can he see open receivers, and get the pass out quickly and accurately and in synch with the receiver? That’s what Fields can’t do on a consistent basis. For my purposes, it doesn’t matter whether it’s the 5th game or the 15th. He can either do it or he can’t. That’s all I need to see.
It's a good thing to make that move after the team (including Fields, the players and coaches) are farther into the season. Just tossing a D2 rookie into this mess won't tell the Bears much if anything. Not right now anyway. I agree with Butkus. Training camp and preseason play isn't the same as real games. Now, maybe you get the kid reps later in the season when he's had more time with the team, the OL (hopefully) is settled and Jenkins is back and we have our starting 5 guys there again - and with a lot more game reps together. Clearly the WRs and TE's seem to be having issues now too... let that get cleaned up first. Give the kid a fighting chance here. Heck even some 1st round QBs like Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Love and others have been given time before starting and it has worked out. Nothing good will come from throwing a D2 kid in to this present mess.
I don’t expect him to win games. I just want to see what happens when he has time to throw and has a receiver open on a 15-yd. slant pass downfield. Can he see open receivers, and get the pass out quickly and accurately and in synch with the receiver? That’s what Fields can’t do on a consistent basis. For my purposes, it doesn’t matter whether it’s the 5th game or the 15th. He can either do it or he can’t. That’s all I need to see.
I'm not explaining this well. My point is that over the course of the season the OL and WRs will (hopefully) become better - especially when Jenkins is back. In fact I think the offensive line could be pretty good by then. I really do. And the WRs (everyone not named DJ Moore) seem to be lining up wrong at times and running wrong routes... this too should settle down with game reps. In light of that, why wouldn't you set this kid up for success instead of failure? Let's wait a bit before we break our new toy... in fact, let's NOT break this guy, but rather help in to be a success here. Keep in mind this is a D2 kid who was facing "colleges" that had fewer students than a lot of high schools. Let that one sink in. We know that even the rookie QBs from the major colleges (who have faced NFL quality talent) struggle as they transition to the NFL. How much more so would this kid from this tiny West Virginia school have to overcome in HIS transition. This season is not going to go anywhere good, so what's the hurry to ruin yet another young QB here? LOL, it's not like we've had a shortage of destroying QBs here in Chicago. Are we in some kind of rush here to destroy another one - a kid who just might (might) have a chance of succeeding here.
Let's - for once - "get it right" with this kid, rather than hurrying this. For once, let's do it right... and of course if we want to give the kid a series here or there (not now but later in the season) then go for it... and if he looks like he can handle the NFL this year, then hey, maybe you do start him if Fields is still struggling as badly as he is now (he may, or he may not be). These kids coming out of college are not machines. But like machines we can break them. People may not agree with me and that's fine. But I completely believe we can set a kid like this up for success or failure. How we deploy him and when we deploy him matters. It matters a lot.
I don’t expect him to win games. I just want to see what happens when he has time to throw and has a receiver open on a 15-yd. slant pass downfield. Can he see open receivers, and get the pass out quickly and accurately and in synch with the receiver? That’s what Fields can’t do on a consistent basis. For my purposes, it doesn’t matter whether it’s the 5th game or the 15th. He can either do it or he can’t. That’s all I need to see.
I'm not explaining this well. My point is that over the course of the season the OL and WRs will (hopefully) become better - especially when Jenkins is back. In fact I think the offensive line could be pretty good by then. I really do. And the WRs (everyone not named DJ Moore) seem to be lining up wrong at times and running wrong routes... this too should settle down with game reps. In light of that, why wouldn't you set this kid up for success instead of failure? Let's wait a bit before we break our new toy... in fact, let's NOT break this guy, but rather help in to be a success here. Keep in mind this is a D2 kid who was facing "colleges" that had fewer students than a lot of high schools. Let that one sink in. We know that even the rookie QBs from the major colleges (who have faced NFL quality talent) struggle as they transition to the NFL. How much more so would this kid from this tiny West Virginia school have to overcome in HIS transition. This season is not going to go anywhere good, so what's the hurry to ruin yet another young QB here? LOL, it's not like we've had a shortage of destroying QBs here in Chicago. Are we in some kind of rush here to destroy another one - a kid who just might (might) have a chance of succeeding here.
Let's - for once - "get it right" with this kid, rather than hurrying this. For once, let's do it right... and of course if we want to give the kid a series here or there (not now but later in the season) then go for it... and if he looks like he can handle the NFL this year, then hey, maybe you do start him if Fields is still struggling as badly as he is now (he may, or he may not be). These kids coming out of college are not machines. But like machines we can break them. People may not agree with me and that's fine. But I completely believe we can set a kid like this up for success or failure. How we deploy him and when we deploy him matters. It matters a lot.
My point is that you don’t need the other 10 guys functioning like a well-oiled machine to see whether he has the ability to play the position. We just need enough plays where he’s got protection and WRs are getting open downfield. Hell, we already have that! See that Lucas film review in The Athletic today. But if you want to wait till later in the season to have this test, I’m OK with that. It’s just that we need to know what he can do before the 2024 draft, assuming Fields continues to falter.
I'm not explaining this well. My point is that over the course of the season the OL and WRs will (hopefully) become better - especially when Jenkins is back. In fact I think the offensive line could be pretty good by then. I really do. And the WRs (everyone not named DJ Moore) seem to be lining up wrong at times and running wrong routes... this too should settle down with game reps. In light of that, why wouldn't you set this kid up for success instead of failure? Let's wait a bit before we break our new toy... in fact, let's NOT break this guy, but rather help in to be a success here. Keep in mind this is a D2 kid who was facing "colleges" that had fewer students than a lot of high schools. Let that one sink in. We know that even the rookie QBs from the major colleges (who have faced NFL quality talent) struggle as they transition to the NFL. How much more so would this kid from this tiny West Virginia school have to overcome in HIS transition. This season is not going to go anywhere good, so what's the hurry to ruin yet another young QB here? LOL, it's not like we've had a shortage of destroying QBs here in Chicago. Are we in some kind of rush here to destroy another one - a kid who just might (might) have a chance of succeeding here.
Let's - for once - "get it right" with this kid, rather than hurrying this. For once, let's do it right... and of course if we want to give the kid a series here or there (not now but later in the season) then go for it... and if he looks like he can handle the NFL this year, then hey, maybe you do start him if Fields is still struggling as badly as he is now (he may, or he may not be). These kids coming out of college are not machines. But like machines we can break them. People may not agree with me and that's fine. But I completely believe we can set a kid like this up for success or failure. How we deploy him and when we deploy him matters. It matters a lot.
My point is that you don’t need the other 10 guys functioning like a well-oiled machine to see whether he has the ability to play the position. We just need enough plays where he’s got protection and WRs are getting open downfield. Hell, we already have that! See that Lucas film review in The Athletic today. But if you want to wait till later in the season to have this test, I’m OK with that. It’s just that we need to know what he can do before the 2024 draft, assuming Fields continues to falter.
David is 100% right.
He either can play or can't play. Sure, having better surrounding cast makes any QB's job easier. No one disputes that. But if you wait until "all the pieces are in place", you'll NEVER try any new QB.
You know what % of new/rookie QBs start their first games on teams with a lot of holes? 92%, that's how many.
My point is that you don’t need the other 10 guys functioning like a well-oiled machine to see whether he has the ability to play the position. We just need enough plays where he’s got protection and WRs are getting open downfield. Hell, we already have that! See that Lucas film review in The Athletic today. But if you want to wait till later in the season to have this test, I’m OK with that. It’s just that we need to know what he can do before the 2024 draft, assuming Fields continues to falter.
David is 100% right.
He either can play or can't play. Sure, having better surrounding cast makes any QB's job easier. No one disputes that. But if you wait until "all the pieces are in place", you'll NEVER try any new QB.
You know what % of new/rookie QBs start their first games on teams with a lot of holes? 92%, that's how many.
But why put him in now when you can do that in a few weeks down the road and get a better evaluation of him? Call me crazy, but I'd think this through a bit as far as when to play him. Sure, if there is an injury you play him. But there isn't any rush here. The Bears can afford to be thoughtful and planful. I know fans want to see the training camp hero start for the Bears. But they'd be better off waiting a few weeks. It's a long 17 week season.
As far as what "other teams do" I really don't think that's a factor in what I am saying here. It's not wrong to plan this if you can. LOL, the kid is 3 weeks out of summer camp and preseason. Why the rush?