Why Should We Believe Anything John Fox Says?............

I actually do not believe Fox. The fact that I do not trust anything he says makes it the biggest reason I think there is something to the rumor. Hope I'm wrong.

BTW, Soul..... As far as your title. He is definitely NOT John Fix. More like John Can't Fix

I would correct it, but I like the irony too much....

Let me add a few more opinions to this from other sources. This comes well after I posted this thread.

www.csnchicago.com/video/stl-how-many-coaching-changes-will-bears-make-offseason

1) I'm not the only one who feels John Fox is incapable of giving a straight answer to much of anything.  In all of my years of watching the Bears, save maybe GM Jerry Angelo, I have never experienced a less trustworthy guy in charge of this team than John Fox.  He's a master manipulator who plays that game very well and virtually every writer and media guy in Chicago recognizes it as well and aren't afraid to say it.

2) Read between the lines just a bit as these guys on Sports Talk have and you'll see that Fox's ego is getting bruised by the success of his DC an area where Fox himself is supposed to have his best expertise.  I'll add to this the perception that the defense is getting better the more it appears Fangio is playing it his way with the people he wants playing how he wants them to play.  The examples are numerous but one example is limiting Floyd's primary role to that of the pass rusher he was drafted to be while taking other responsibilities off his plate for now and it seems to have made a major difference in his game.

3) Fangio it seems has not totally given up on his prospects as a HC and given the situation as it exists with fans and sportswriters alike calling for a change at HC I can't see any way Fox isn't at least somewhat threatened by this just as Lovie seemed to be while "Chico" was his DC.  Fox brought a significant number of coaches with him from Denver to surround himself with loyal minions.  Fangio and Donatell were not in that bunch and they seem more loyal to each other.  It's the core of coaches Fox brought with him who seem to be producing less than those who were not and that includes Clint Hurtt who was a hold over hire.  Fox would have to be half brain dead not to see the threat.

4) I think another point made is that Mully, and Biggsy who tended to support his column, are not your basic rumor mongers nor have they been as critical of Fox as some of the others have been.  They may well be the last guys to speak up and when they do it's generally based on more than mere speculation.  Both are firmly entrenched in their jobs and have no need to "scoop" anyone to get read.  Given Fox's arrogance and hard headed narrow minded approach to his teams it's tough to see how under these circumstances there wouldn't be some friction developing somewhere.

5) I think it was Hub who pointed out that in their presser it was Fangio who took a bit of shot at Fox and though it was veiled it wasn't missed either.  Now back up a few weeks to Cutler's presser following his first injury when he was asked about the support he was getting from Fox and his answer that Fox didn't have much of a choice.  That was another shot across Foxy's bow and no one can tell me it wasn't or that there aren't some major differences of opinion developing at Halas Hall on exactly how to deal with 2017 both in the coaching ranks and at QB.  Just because it isn't as public as it was with Trestman because there isn't an Aaron Kromer being quoted this time doesn't mean all is well.

6) And I'll wrap this up by summarizing once again what happened with John Fox here in Denver.  Fox is quite set in his ways and he feels that if he's the HC he will make all personnel decisions.  He's quite insistent on that and maybe that's understandable since it's his neck in the noose.  The problem is he's proven to not be very good at those decisions and then also not wanting to be held accountable for them.  I think that's why we've heard little from Ryan Pace on some of this including the QB situation which was also a battle ground in Denver.  Let's not forget that last January or February Fox backed Cutler 100% which may have related to why Pace passed in a young QB in the draft and supplied Fox with the vet backup he preferred.  Then roughly 8-9 months later Fox very obviously does a 180 degree flip flop and begins to back Hoyer over Cutler and creates his own QB controversy when IMHO that's the last thing Pace and the front office wanted.


I can only repeat what I have. John Fox is his own worst enemy and he's become a catastrophic hire for the Bears.  His success in Denver went to his head so far that he chose to battle it out with John Elway over personnel decisions and going toe to toe with Elway is not a wise move.  He will always win those battles. Elway brought or bought him a Super Bowl caliber team and Fox couldn't produce.  He began to lay blame on players like Manning for it and wanted another QB.  Elway backed Manning and they parted ways.  Fox can claim it was mutual but it wasn't any more than it will be here provided Pace has both the balls and the authority to remove him as HC and I'm wondering if he really does since I don't believe he was ever his choice anyway.

Elway saw the problems with Fox, cut his losses with a popular coach who'd turned the team from a loser into a winner, and moved on.  We picked up a guy who'd become a problem in Denver and IMHO he's become the same problem here only worse since he's had more authority and input in personnel matters than he ever had in Denver.  I'll stand behind what I say as far as why certain players on this roster shouldn't be and there were players starting earlier this year who were only better in John Fox's mind not on the field.  The injuries are not as big an issue as anyone would like them to be.  Other teams have similar problems and they aren't 3-9 following a 6-10 season with a HC who was hired as a top turn around artist.  It's a myth. 

John Elway and Pat Bowlen's willingness to spend on top talent helped Fox win in Denver.  I don't disagree that he lacks that same level of talent here but Ryan Pace and the McCaskeys won't buy it for him like Elway did so it needs to be developed and the only ranking coach and staff on that team who are doing it is Vic Fangio and his guys not Fox.  So if we want to keep Vic Fangio and the rebuild of a vaunted Bears defense intact then the choice is very simple.  Fire Fox and promote Fangio to HC and let him decide how best to deal with the offense and the QB situation.  That should come first before any other decision are made. 

I am 100% convinced Vic Fangio is far more of a fit to coach the Chicago Bears than John Fox will ever be.  If we lose our second top coordinator in two years that also reflects poorly on Fox since it was his supposed rep for being able to hire and keep a top shelf staff of coaches which also led to his hire and it looks again like that may also be a myth.  If we lose Fangio I can't see the kind of improvement in this team we've been sold on and once again it will be another year of excuses for why we aren't winning because that's all John Fox has to offer any longer and he's become a master at it.