As the new guy I suppose I’ll offer a dissenting position (most seem like they favor AH from what I see)
I feel strongly that the Bears should build the South Lot. Warren is correct when he says that may be the most beautiful piece of property in the entire world! Maybe the Opera Hoise in Sydney can compete? You don’t pass on that iconic setup to build a friggin Walmart in the burbs.
How many games have you gone to at SF?
Outside of the lakefront views (which are only good early season and only seen from the east side of the facility), the location utterly sucks.
It's impossible to get to driving or via public transportation, there's no parking, the traffic is miserable, there's no tailgating facilities, no restaurants or bars, it's a long long walk (often in the cold), and the stadium itself is small and very very outdated. As much as people love the nostalgia of a lakefront site, the disadvantages far outweigh the benefits. It simply doesn't have the space or access needed and in addition the team would never own the land and would have to deal with years of red tape and city graft to even get a construction project off the ground.
Downtown is a pipe dream IMO and sooner or later Kevin Warren is gonna have to face that.
I’m not sure Warren will ever face that fact, but I do think that it will be untenable due to the tax and opposition issues. If AH can continue to sweeten the deal and flip the scales in his mind, maybe he finally will give in. I get the lakefront but everything else so obviously points to AH being better. At least in my view. He said breaking ground in 25 so within a year it should be solved one way or another
As the new guy I suppose I’ll offer a dissenting position (most seem like they favor AH from what I see)
I feel strongly that the Bears should build the South Lot. Warren is correct when he says that may be the most beautiful piece of property in the entire world! Maybe the Opera Hoise in Sydney can compete? You don’t pass on that iconic setup to build a friggin Walmart in the burbs.
How many games have you gone to at SF?
Outside of the lakefront views (which are only good early season and only seen from the east side of the facility), the location utterly sucks.
It's impossible to get to driving or via public transportation, there's no parking, the traffic is miserable, there's no tailgating facilities, no restaurants or bars, it's a long long walk (often in the cold), and the stadium itself is small and very very outdated. As much as people love the nostalgia of a lakefront site, the disadvantages far outweigh the benefits. It simply doesn't have the space or access needed and in addition the team would never own the land and would have to deal with years of red tape and city graft to even get a construction project off the ground.
Downtown is a pipe dream IMO and sooner or later Kevin Warren is gonna have to face that.
As someone who is not from Chicago or heck, even American. I had no right to be walking around Grant Park at night to get to and from Soldier's field! I didn't find out until after I got home a fellow Bears fan and Native Chicagoen gave myself and Wife shite for walking around there. He told me it was very dangerous for the knowing person, nevermind a dough eyed tourist like I was.
We used transit the next day and that was another incredible walk which is really not well marked. We just followed the crowds over and under fences.
Outside of the lakefront views (which are only good early season and only seen from the east side of the facility), the location utterly sucks.
It's impossible to get to driving or via public transportation, there's no parking, the traffic is miserable, there's no tailgating facilities, no restaurants or bars, it's a long long walk (often in the cold), and the stadium itself is small and very very outdated. As much as people love the nostalgia of a lakefront site, the disadvantages far outweigh the benefits. It simply doesn't have the space or access needed and in addition the team would never own the land and would have to deal with years of red tape and city graft to even get a construction project off the ground.
Downtown is a pipe dream IMO and sooner or later Kevin Warren is gonna have to face that.
As someone who is not from Chicago or heck, even American. I had no right to be walking around Grant Park at night to get to and from Soldier's field! I didn't find out until after I got home a fellow Bears fan and Native Chicagoen gave myself and Wife shite for walking around there. He told me it was very dangerous for the knowing person, nevermind a dough eyed tourist like I was.
We used transit the next day and that was another incredible walk which is really not well marked. We just followed the crowds over and under fences.
Were they going to an officially sanctioned mugging?
Looks like NFL teams have a new option for funds. Would help for both locations, but would make not being to get public funding for the lakefront less of an issue for Warren
If I understand this correctly, the Bears could sell 10% equity in their franchise to raise cash. What does not make sense to me, is that I don't understand why they would then want to "rent" from the City of Chicago and continue to be a tenant. I would make sense to me if they gave up 10% equity to invest in a stadium they owned. But why on earth would they want to partner with (of all entities) the woeful City of Chicago? I probably am missing something important here. But I totally don't get it.
I'm not going to sell 10% of my business to build on a property I don't own and don't get 100% profit on. if Warren does use this option and stays on public land he should be fired on the spot.
If I understand this correctly, the Bears could sell 10% equity in their franchise to raise cash. What does not make sense to me, is that I don't understand why they would then want to "rent" from the City of Chicago and continue to be a tenant. I would make sense to me if they gave up 10% equity to invest in a stadium they owned. But why on earth would they want to partner with (of all entities) the woeful City of Chicago? I probably am missing something important here. But I totally don't get it.
I'm not going to sell 10% of my business to build on a property I don't own and don't get 100% profit on. if Warren does use this option and stays on public land he should be fired on the spot.
I keep wondering if it is the McCaskeys who are getting cold feet on the prospect of developing their own stadium and sports campus (the original proposal at Arlington Heights). Maybe they are uncomfortable with an investment of that size if they truly are cash poor for something that large. I'm sure they could find financing, but maybe they want to play it safe and rent instead of own. And maybe they figure Virginia will die sooner rather than later... and the younger family members are pushing for a quick cash-in, and let new owners do whatever they want with the team. Heck, George himself is pushing 70 now and maybe he too wants to retire. Grab the cash in a sale and run.
As the new guy I suppose I’ll offer a dissenting position (most seem like they favor AH from what I see)
I feel strongly that the Bears should build the South Lot. Warren is correct when he says that may be the most beautiful piece of property in the entire world! Maybe the Opera Hoise in Sydney can compete? You don’t pass on that iconic setup to build a friggin Walmart in the burbs.
How many games have you gone to at SF?
Outside of the lakefront views (which are only good early season and only seen from the east side of the facility), the location utterly sucks.
It's impossible to get to driving or via public transportation, there's no parking, the traffic is miserable, there's no tailgating facilities, no restaurants or bars, it's a long long walk (often in the cold), and the stadium itself is small and very very outdated. As much as people love the nostalgia of a lakefront site, the disadvantages far outweigh the benefits. It simply doesn't have the space or access needed and in addition the team would never own the land and would have to deal with years of red tape and city graft to even get a construction project off the ground.
Downtown is a pipe dream IMO and sooner or later Kevin Warren is gonna have to face that.
I'm not sure, maybe 50 or 60? I wouldn't change that location for the world. I always take the ferry over from Navy Pier to come and go, makes the traffic/parking issues a non factor. I love downtown Chicago, it's literally tied for my favorite city in the world with Melbourne (I preferred it to Sydney for the same reason I prefer Chicago to NYC).
Outside of the lakefront views (which are only good early season and only seen from the east side of the facility), the location utterly sucks.
It's impossible to get to driving or via public transportation, there's no parking, the traffic is miserable, there's no tailgating facilities, no restaurants or bars, it's a long long walk (often in the cold), and the stadium itself is small and very very outdated. As much as people love the nostalgia of a lakefront site, the disadvantages far outweigh the benefits. It simply doesn't have the space or access needed and in addition the team would never own the land and would have to deal with years of red tape and city graft to even get a construction project off the ground.
Downtown is a pipe dream IMO and sooner or later Kevin Warren is gonna have to face that.
I'm not sure, maybe 50 or 60? I wouldn't change that location for the world. I always take the ferry over from Navy Pier to come and go, makes the traffic/parking issues a non factor. I love downtown Chicago, it's literally tied for my favorite city in the world with Melbourne (I preferred it to Sydney for the same reason I prefer Chicago to NYC).
I never in a million years would have thought of taking the ferry like that. But it sounds like a cool option. I'm curious, how is it getting back to NP from the game?
Outside of the lakefront views (which are only good early season and only seen from the east side of the facility), the location utterly sucks.
It's impossible to get to driving or via public transportation, there's no parking, the traffic is miserable, there's no tailgating facilities, no restaurants or bars, it's a long long walk (often in the cold), and the stadium itself is small and very very outdated. As much as people love the nostalgia of a lakefront site, the disadvantages far outweigh the benefits. It simply doesn't have the space or access needed and in addition the team would never own the land and would have to deal with years of red tape and city graft to even get a construction project off the ground.
Downtown is a pipe dream IMO and sooner or later Kevin Warren is gonna have to face that.
I'm not sure, maybe 50 or 60? I wouldn't change that location for the world. I always take the ferry over from Navy Pier to come and go, makes the traffic/parking issues a non factor. I love downtown Chicago, it's literally tied for my favorite city in the world with Melbourne (I preferred it to Sydney for the same reason I prefer Chicago to NYC).
If you're in love with downtown Chicago then yeah I understand your position. I think it's in the minority. Most fans I believe would gladly trade the "urban feel" for a modern facility with much improved amenities that you can actually GET TO and FROM.
I have been going there for many years like you and have also been to many road stadiums in other cities. Outside of being "at the lakefront" (which is only nice early season and only visible from the east exterior of the building), the location and available footprint space sucks. If you could somehow fix all or even most of the problems which I won't bother to list again, then sure it would be a no-brainer to stay downtown.
But they aren't fixable. There simply isn't room to accommodate the amenities needed and there certainly will never be adequate transportation in and out. Not to mention the team would never own anything which is a major reason they have gotten fed up with the status quo. I haven't even touched upon the political red tape and financial issues involved which are enormous. If Kevin Warren wants "shovels in the ground in '25", he's deluding himself that's ever gonna happen anywhere within the city limits.
I'm not sure, maybe 50 or 60? I wouldn't change that location for the world. I always take the ferry over from Navy Pier to come and go, makes the traffic/parking issues a non factor. I love downtown Chicago, it's literally tied for my favorite city in the world with Melbourne (I preferred it to Sydney for the same reason I prefer Chicago to NYC).
If you're in love with downtown Chicago then yeah I understand your position. I think it's in the minority. Most fans I believe would gladly trade the "urban feel" for a modern facility with much improved amenities that you can actually GET TO and FROM.
I have been going there for many years like you and have also been to many road stadiums in other cities. Outside of being "at the lakefront" (which is only nice early season and only visible from the east exterior of the building), the location and available footprint space sucks. If you could somehow fix all or even most of the problems which I won't bother to list again, then sure it would be a no-brainer to stay downtown.
But they aren't fixable. There simply isn't room to accommodate the amenities needed and there certainly will never be adequate transportation in and out. Not to mention the team would never own anything which is a major reason they have gotten fed up with the status quo. I haven't even touched upon the political red tape and financial issues involved which are enormous. If Kevin Warren wants "shovels in the ground in '25", he's deluding himself that's ever gonna happen anywhere within the city limits.
If you're in love with downtown Chicago then yeah I understand your position. I think it's in the minority. Most fans I believe would gladly trade the "urban feel" for a modern facility with much improved amenities that you can actually GET TO and FROM.
I have been going there for many years like you and have also been to many road stadiums in other cities. Outside of being "at the lakefront" (which is only nice early season and only visible from the east exterior of the building), the location and available footprint space sucks. If you could somehow fix all or even most of the problems which I won't bother to list again, then sure it would be a no-brainer to stay downtown.
But they aren't fixable. There simply isn't room to accommodate the amenities needed and there certainly will never be adequate transportation in and out. Not to mention the team would never own anything which is a major reason they have gotten fed up with the status quo. I haven't even touched upon the political red tape and financial issues involved which are enormous. If Kevin Warren wants "shovels in the ground in '25", he's deluding himself that's ever gonna happen anywhere within the city limits.
I still think (hope?) it will end up in AH despite his efforts to put it downtown. But who knows. If he is fixated on the lakefront, he will make it happen whether or not it is a good deal