My point is that I would like better backup at center, and Olu has been a standout at Seahawks camp so far.
A standout OL
No pads
In shorts
LMAO, no such thing. Every scout and serious analyst you read says you can evaluate OLs and DLs in OTAs. Maybe you can see a little footwork stuff but that's it. For linemen, you have to wait until pads go on to get a realistic impression.
Tell it to Schneider and Carroll. They are raving about him, and it’s nothing about pads. They talk about his football IQ and leadership traits. He has a legit shot at starting center. There is an article in The Athletic about sleepers in the draft. It includes him and BearsRB (Johnson).
LMAO, no such thing. Every scout and serious analyst you read says you can evaluate OLs and DLs in OTAs. Maybe you can see a little footwork stuff but that's it. For linemen, you have to wait until pads go on to get a realistic impression.
Tell it to Schneider and Carroll. They are raving about him, and it’s nothing about pads. They talk about his football IQ and leadership traits. He has a legit shot at starting center. There is an article in The Athletic about sleepers in the draft. It includes him and BearsRB (Johnson).
Perhaps you can make a Seahawks thread? Or save this man crush you have for the Seahawks forums. It doesn't matter how many times you mention him. He is not a Bear.
I remember when the Bears Staff were gushing about how great Trubs was getting on. Staff are not going to come out and name player and tell the media that he sucks. LOL you are funny with your crushes that you can't let go.
Tell it to Schneider and Carroll. They are raving about him, and it’s nothing about pads. They talk about his football IQ and leadership traits. He has a legit shot at starting center. There is an article in The Athletic about sleepers in the draft. It includes him and BearsRB (Johnson).
Perhaps you can make a Seahawks thread? Or save this man crush you have for the Seahawks forums. It doesn't matter how many times you mention him. He is not a Bear.
I remember when the Bears Staff were gushing about how great Trubs was getting on. Staff are not going to come out and name player and tell the media that he sucks. LOL you are funny with your crushes that you can't let go.
What’s funny is that you think I have crush just because I report that Seahawks GM and coach were impressed by his work in mini camp. They wouldn’t say he sucks, but they need not gush about any late round pick unless he earns praise. I think they are sincere. Players have also noted his performance. I only mentioned him here as a draft pick that Poles could have made to potentially fill the long-term need at center and immediate solid backup for Whitehair. As you say, we’ll know more when the pads go on.
I just did some research in the board's posting history. The only mention of Oluwatimi prior to the draft was in a general post by JABF on April 3 regarding a list of the leading center prospects.
In that same thread davidl indicates he would like to see a center as a day 3 priority.
Prior to the draft, I don't find a lot of significant discussion on why we need to draft a center in 2023. I see a lot of moving Whitehair back to center for a year or two and replacing him in 2024 or 2025 as the need grows or a really hot prospect arises.
Now we have statements that Poles really messed up by not taking a center at a specific pick. IMO this is classic fan hindsight in action. As I always say, the only vision that is consistently a perfect 20-20 is hindsight. We don't know how high Poles had Oluwatimi ranked in the draft. He could have thought he was going to last a bit longer and actually had plan to pick him up too. It could be he was PO'd that Seattle grabbed Oluwatimi when they did. It could be he didn't like Oluwatimi at all for some reason. None of us has any idea as to what the real situation was.
No one here know how Poles, Eberflus and the scouting staff had all the prospects ranked. While I don't know for sure, I strongly suspect that Poles had the entire draft pool evaluated, graded and ranked well in advance of the draft. He strikes me as a very methodical, thorough and intelligent person and manager. He has his plan and is determined to execute it. So far it looks good, in fact really good. But just like we can't tell how good a player really is in OTAs and need to see that individual in full contact action, we won't know for sure if Poles' plan is really as good as we hope it is for at least 2 more seasons. But we will have a decent idea pretty soon.
I have looked at a lot of video podcasts from all over the league. There is a lot of Kool-Aid being chugged at the moment on everyone's roster. Everybody has bag full of new and shiny toys.
I just did some research in the board's posting history. The only mention of Oluwatimi prior to the draft was in a general post by JABF on April 3 regarding a list of the leading center prospects.
In that same thread davidl indicates he would like to see a center as a day 3 priority.
Prior to the draft, I don't find a lot of significant discussion on why we need to draft a center in 2023. I see a lot of moving Whitehair back to center for a year or two and replacing him in 2024 or 2025 as the need grows or a really hot prospect arises.
Now we have statements that Poles really messed up by not taking a center at a specific pick. IMO this is classic fan hindsight in action. As I always say, the only vision that is consistently a perfect 20-20 is hindsight. We don't know how high Poles had Oluwatimi ranked in the draft. He could have thought he was going to last a bit longer and actually had plan to pick him up too. It could be he was PO'd that Seattle grabbed Oluwatimi when they did. It could be he didn't like Oluwatimi at all for some reason. None of us has any idea as to what the real situation was.
No one here know how Poles, Eberflus and the scouting staff had all the prospects ranked. While I don't know for sure, I strongly suspect that Poles had the entire draft pool evaluated, graded and ranked well in advance of the draft. He strikes me as a very methodical, thorough and intelligent person and manager. He has his plan and is determined to execute it. So far it looks good, in fact really good. But just like we can't tell how good a player really is in OTAs and need to see that individual in full contact action, we won't know for sure if Poles' plan is really as good as we hope it is for at least 2 more seasons. But we will have a decent idea pretty soon.
I have looked at a lot of video podcasts from all over the league. There is a lot of Kool-Aid being chugged at the moment on everyone's roster. Everybody has bag full of new and shiny toys.
Poles drafted a linebacker (!) in the 5th round ahead of Olu. Seahawks got Woolen and Lucas in 2022 after Poles passed on them. So far, Brax is the only guy he’s drafted who is playing significantly above his draft position. Maybe this year’s crop will do better. We’ll see. For his strategy to work, that’s what we need.
I just did some research in the board's posting history. The only mention of Oluwatimi prior to the draft was in a general post by JABF on April 3 regarding a list of the leading center prospects.
In that same thread davidl indicates he would like to see a center as a day 3 priority.
Prior to the draft, I don't find a lot of significant discussion on why we need to draft a center in 2023. I see a lot of moving Whitehair back to center for a year or two and replacing him in 2024 or 2025 as the need grows or a really hot prospect arises.
Now we have statements that Poles really messed up by not taking a center at a specific pick. IMO this is classic fan hindsight in action. As I always say, the only vision that is consistently a perfect 20-20 is hindsight. We don't know how high Poles had Oluwatimi ranked in the draft. He could have thought he was going to last a bit longer and actually had plan to pick him up too. It could be he was PO'd that Seattle grabbed Oluwatimi when they did. It could be he didn't like Oluwatimi at all for some reason. None of us has any idea as to what the real situation was.
No one here know how Poles, Eberflus and the scouting staff had all the prospects ranked. While I don't know for sure, I strongly suspect that Poles had the entire draft pool evaluated, graded and ranked well in advance of the draft. He strikes me as a very methodical, thorough and intelligent person and manager. He has his plan and is determined to execute it. So far it looks good, in fact really good. But just like we can't tell how good a player really is in OTAs and need to see that individual in full contact action, we won't know for sure if Poles' plan is really as good as we hope it is for at least 2 more seasons. But we will have a decent idea pretty soon.
I have looked at a lot of video podcasts from all over the league. There is a lot of Kool-Aid being chugged at the moment on everyone's roster. Everybody has bag full of new and shiny toys.
Poles drafted a linebacker (!) in the 5th round ahead of Olu. Seahawks got Woolen and Lucas in 2022 after Poles passed on them. So far, Brax is the only guy he’s drafted who is playing significantly above his draft position. Maybe this year’s crop will do better. We’ll see. For his strategy to work, that’s what we need.
I'll judge him on team offense and defense performance. And eventually on overall W-L record. If the offense is significantly improved and the defense is significantly improved and we win something like 4 to 7 more games, his 2023 plan was a total success as far as I am concerned. By 2023 plan I mean trading Roquan Smith, the trade down from #1 to #9 and all the draft day stuff. We'll have to see how the 2023 season plays out. Then I hope he has an equally as productive 2024 plan in the works.
I don't try to get into the individual selections too much. Obviously, there is something like picking Trubisky that made everyone groan. But the GM and his staff and the HC and his staff get paid the big bucks to do their jobs. I prefer to look at a lot of evaluation videos to see who looks good to me (as a total amateur at it). But at the end of the day, it is W-L and team statistical performance figures that are the best benchmarks of how well these guys are doing their jobs.
Poles drafted a linebacker (!) in the 5th round ahead of Olu. Seahawks got Woolen and Lucas in 2022 after Poles passed on them. So far, Brax is the only guy he’s drafted who is playing significantly above his draft position. Maybe this year’s crop will do better. We’ll see. For his strategy to work, that’s what we need.
I'll judge him on team offense and defense performance. And eventually on overall W-L record. If the offense is significantly improved and the defense is significantly improved and we win something like 4 to 7 more games, his 2023 plan was a total success as far as I am concerned. By 2023 plan I mean trading Roquan Smith, the trade down from #1 to #9 and all the draft day stuff. We'll have to see how the 2023 season plays out. Then I hope he has an equally as productive 2024 plan in the works.
I don't try to get into the individual selections too much. Obviously, there is something like picking Trubisky that made everyone groan. But the GM and his staff and the HC and his staff get paid the big bucks to do their jobs. I prefer to look at a lot of evaluation videos to see who looks good to me (as a total amateur at it). But at the end of the day, it is W-L and team statistical performance figures that are the best benchmarks of how well these guys are doing their jobs.
No one here know how Poles, Eberflus and the scouting staff had all the prospects ranked. While I don't know for sure, I strongly suspect that Poles had the entire draft pool evaluated, graded and ranked well in advance of the draft. He strikes me as a very methodical, thorough and intelligent person and manager. He has his plan and is determined to execute it. So far it looks good, in fact really good. But just like we can't tell how good a player really is in OTAs and need to see that individual in full contact action, we won't know for sure if Poles' plan is really as good as we hope it is for at least 2 more seasons. But we will have a decent idea pretty soon.
That's my take on it all. It's 100% okay with all of us fans having favorites in the draft each year... and even having 20/20 hindsight is okay - because that's what we all do to some extent I think. Much of the time we are wrong about these things. I'm wrong more than I'm right and admit it. But for us fans it's all about fun and pretendingwe know more than professionals who have spent their entire lives actually doing this job.
Let's be honest though. Compared with the professionals we don't know squat.
The Chicago Bears employ 557 professionals. Of those, 76 are directly related to player-personnel acquisition, coaching and management. This includes a coaching staff of 25 professional coaches in 2023. We have a a solid staff of 12 professional scouts (guys who actually KNOW something and get paid for it). We have analytics and data scientists... 6 people work in this area (LOL, I have no idea what these people actually do but it sounds cool), 14 people work in player operations and we have 10 "performance and training specialists" and of course we have a "football guy" in our new President/CEO Kevin Warren, and a very sharp GM (JMO) in Ryan Poles - and a future GM (probably next year in fact) in Ian Cunningham... well I won't go on and on. But my point is that these are people who collectively have hundreds of years professional football experience.
But us meatballs can lean back in our La-Z-Boy Rocking Recliners - watch a little TV... listen to the talking heads on the podcasts & maybe read our Twitter tweets - and begin hammering on our computer (or phone) posting on a messageboard, about how we know more than the professionals. LOL. We can then drink some more beer, belch and/or fart - and feel proud about how we know more than this army of professionals. This kind of stuff makes meatballs feel smart and smug. Nothing wrong with it. It is what us fans do. I don't do the beer drinking part... but gotta admit to the occasional belch or fart after a good post :-)
No one here know how Poles, Eberflus and the scouting staff had all the prospects ranked. While I don't know for sure, I strongly suspect that Poles had the entire draft pool evaluated, graded and ranked well in advance of the draft. He strikes me as a very methodical, thorough and intelligent person and manager. He has his plan and is determined to execute it. So far it looks good, in fact really good. But just like we can't tell how good a player really is in OTAs and need to see that individual in full contact action, we won't know for sure if Poles' plan is really as good as we hope it is for at least 2 more seasons. But we will have a decent idea pretty soon.
That's my take on it all. It's 100% okay with all of us fans having favorites in the draft each year... and even having 20/20 hindsight is okay - because that's what we all do to some extent I think. Much of the time we are wrong about these things. I'm wrong more than I'm right and admit it. But for us fans it's all about fun and pretendingwe know more than professionals who have spent their entire lives actually doing this job.
Let's be honest though. Compared with the professionals we don't know squat.
The Chicago Bears employ 557 professionals. Of those, 76 are directly related to player-personnel acquisition, coaching and management. This includes a coaching staff of 25 professional coaches in 2023. We have a a solid staff of 12 professional scouts (guys who actually KNOW something and get paid for it). We have analytics and data scientists... 6 people work in this area (LOL, I have no idea what these people actually do but it sounds cool), 14 people work in player operations and we have 10 "performance and training specialists" and of course we have a "football guy" in our new President/CEO Kevin Warren, and a very sharp GM (JMO) in Ryan Poles - and a future GM (probably next year in fact) in Ian Cunningham... well I won't go on and on. But my point is that these are people who collectively have hundreds of years professional football experience.
But us meatballs can lean back in our La-Z-Boy Rocking Recliners - watch a little TV... listen to the talking heads on the podcasts & maybe read our Twitter tweets - and begin hammering on our computer (or phone) posting on a messageboard, about how we know more than the professionals. LOL. We can then drink some more beer, belch and/or fart - and feel proud about how we know more than this army of professionals. This kind of stuff makes meatballs feel smart and smug. Nothing wrong with it. It is what us fans do. I don't do the beer drinking part... but gotta admit to the occasional belch or fart after a good post :-)
The issue is not whether we know more than Poles. It’s only whether Poles can do the job better than the other GM’s. He will keep/lose his job based on winning/losing, and even meatball fans know how to count. Beyond the counting, though, you and I can also recognize a Super Bowl ready team when we see one.
The issue is not whether we know more than Poles. It’s only whether Poles can do the job better than the other GM’s. He will keep/lose his job based on winning/losing, and even meatball fans know how to count. Beyond the counting, though, you and I can also recognize a Super Bowl ready team when we see one.
I already like how the Bears have upgraded to hiring a "football guy" (Warren) for President/CEO. And hiring an assistant GM, Cunningham, was a fantastic move. The franchise seems to have built a solid analytics department. We won't know about the scouting department and coaching staff for awhile, but this year should give us a good (initial) idea of what we have. I get it, that it takes a few years to really grade out a draft. But I'll bet this year is going to showcase a much improved team.