How do you feel about Poles doing another trade down from #9 if the opportunity presents itself? I've run that draft sim countless times now and really, there doesn't seem to be a big difference between #9 and trading down a bit (staying in the 1st round). Obviously it would take a team seeing a guy they REALLY coveted falling to that #9 pick. But that is a possiblity.
Chicago has traded down to No. 9 overall, but that does not exclude them from exploring a move back up or down the board for the right prospect. The initial ideal scenario involved the franchise trading back while still being in a position to add either Anderson or Carter. Carter's potential availability has obviously grown more complicated, but one would think general manager Ryan Poles will need to trade back up in order to select either.
If they trade further down the board, then the options expected to be available change. However, the defensive front seven and offensive line will be the biggest needs for the franchise regardless of where they pick. Here is a look at CBSSports.com's prospect rankings.
I'd absolutely trade down. We obviously desperately need d-line talent more than anything and a lot of that talent really becomes interchangeable at that 20-50 range.
Looking at pick 9, Will Anderson will obviously be gone. Until today, Carter was unlikely to be available and now I'd want nothing to do with him before the 3rd round. Seems like Wilson will also be gone.
Basically leaves us with Murphy and Van Ness, neither of whom I'd take until the teens. So my goal would be to trade back to mid 1st round with hopefully an early or mid second coming back.
Then, we can double dip with the deep d line talent and/or even consider center or tight end. And possibly even consider trading one of our late second rounders for Laremy Tunsil if Texans are interested.
I'd say that all depends on Poles plans for the balance of FA. If he expects to have his choice of the best DE/DL and OL available he can't afford to trade back very far and to go from say #9 to #12 only gains 150 points worth of draft booty so at late 3rd pick. To get more he'd need to pair some of our picks and I kinda like having those two 4th and 5th round picks in our pocket. More options on draft weekend.
If he drops back as far as the mid teens he can ask for as much as a later 2nd round pick but then how many of his top 7 prospects will last that long? Unless he can pickup a RT prior to the draft I have to think either Parris Johnson or Broderick Jones are on that list along with Skoronski and Tyree Wilson and Lukas Van Ess and maybe Miles Murphy are on his DL list. Who of those 6 will last much beyond #12?
Of course sitting where we sit we can't hope to have as much knowledge of who other teams targets might be. Knowing how far to push back means having a pretty firm idea of who teams ahead of you will take. In that regard I trust Poles. He's shown himself to be pretty good at playing 3D chess with other GMs and unlike Pace he doesn't appear to get anxious or fall for a bluff. So I'll let Poles figure that part out.
I'd absolutely trade down. We obviously desperately need d-line talent more than anything and a lot of that talent really becomes interchangeable at that 20-50 range.
Looking at pick 9, Will Anderson will obviously be gone. Until today, Carter was unlikely to be available and now I'd want nothing to do with him before the 3rd round. Seems like Wilson will also be gone.
Basically leaves us with Murphy and Van Ness, neither of whom I'd take until the teens. So my goal would be to trade back to mid 1st round with hopefully an early or mid second coming back.
Then, we can double dip with the deep d line talent and/or even consider center or tight end. And possibly even consider trading one of our late second rounders for Laremy Tunsil if Texans are interested.
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Yeah, I'm thinking I'd be okay with another trade down. I really believe Poles is capable of finding some great players in the top 90 or so picks of this draft. He has 8 draft picks this year in the top-5 rounds. I really am excited to watch Poles work this draft this year. Could be an epic year for the draft for us.
I'd say that all depends on Poles plans for the balance of FA. If he expects to have his choice of the best DE/DL and OL available he can't afford to trade back very far and to go from say #9 to #12 only gains 150 points worth of draft booty so at late 3rd pick. To get more he'd need to pair some of our picks and I kinda like having those two 4th and 5th round picks in our pocket. More options on draft weekend.
If he drops back as far as the mid teens he can ask for as much as a later 2nd round pick but then how many of his top 7 prospects will last that long? Unless he can pickup a RT prior to the draft I have to think either Parris Johnson or Broderick Jones are on that list along with Skoronski and Tyree Wilson and Lukas Van Ess and maybe Miles Murphy are on his DL list. Who of those 6 will last much beyond #12?
Of course sitting where we sit we can't hope to have as much knowledge of who other teams targets might be. Knowing how far to push back means having a pretty firm idea of who teams ahead of you will take. In that regard I trust Poles. He's shown himself to be pretty good at playing 3D chess with other GMs and unlike Pace he doesn't appear to get anxious or fall for a bluff. So I'll let Poles figure that part out.
I think you hit the main targets right there.
With Poles not pursuing Brown very heavily (and he obviously didn't cuz we could have paid him considerably more), my guess reading the tea leaves is that A) they LOVE Braxton at LT and weren't moving him no matter what and B) they feel confident they can get a starting RT in the draft.
It's hard to reach any other conclusion that those.
Well, teams don't draft "RTs" in the top-10. Sorry, that just doesn't happen. They draft LTs. Maybe they draft LTs who might play RT for a year before taking over for an aging vet on the left side. They just don't draft "pure RTs" in the upper-1st round.
So they must really like some RT prospects and feel confident at least one of them will fall to #53 or lower. Maybe they will trade down in the 1st again and close that gap between #9 and #53 but of course you can't count on that happening. That would be a draft night only move which won't materialize unless the board falls a certain way.
So, if you put a gun to my head, I'd say they are looking at DE in the 1st and DT and RT in the 2nd. That would seem to be "Plan A" at this point.
Post by butkus3595 on Mar 16, 2023 10:12:07 GMT -6
I wouldn't be against it if we could add another pick in the early second or a pick we could use to move up into the early second. That would allow us to potentially take one of the edge guys and perhaps trade up to take the tackle out of Tennessee.
I'd say that all depends on Poles plans for the balance of FA. If he expects to have his choice of the best DE/DL and OL available he can't afford to trade back very far and to go from say #9 to #12 only gains 150 points worth of draft booty so at late 3rd pick. To get more he'd need to pair some of our picks and I kinda like having those two 4th and 5th round picks in our pocket. More options on draft weekend.
If he drops back as far as the mid teens he can ask for as much as a later 2nd round pick but then how many of his top 7 prospects will last that long? Unless he can pickup a RT prior to the draft I have to think either Parris Johnson or Broderick Jones are on that list along with Skoronski and Tyree Wilson and Lukas Van Ess and maybe Miles Murphy are on his DL list. Who of those 6 will last much beyond #12?
Of course sitting where we sit we can't hope to have as much knowledge of who other teams targets might be. Knowing how far to push back means having a pretty firm idea of who teams ahead of you will take. In that regard I trust Poles. He's shown himself to be pretty good at playing 3D chess with other GMs and unlike Pace he doesn't appear to get anxious or fall for a bluff. So I'll let Poles figure that part out.
I think you hit the main targets right there.
With Poles not pursuing Brown very heavily (and he obviously didn't cuz we could have paid him considerably more), my guess reading the tea leaves is that A) they LOVE Braxton at LT and weren't moving him no matter what and B) they feel confident they can get a starting RT in the draft.
It's hard to reach any other conclusion that those.
Well, teams don't draft "RTs" in the top-10. Sorry, that just doesn't happen. They draft LTs. Maybe they draft LTs who might play RT for a year before taking over for an aging vet on the left side. They just don't draft "pure RTs" in the upper-1st round.
So they must really like some RT prospects and feel confident at least one of them will fall to #53 or lower. Maybe they will trade down in the 1st again and close that gap between #9 and #53 but of course you can't count on that happening. That would be a draft night only move which won't materialize unless the board falls a certain way.
So, if you put a gun to my head, I'd say they are looking at DE in the 1st and DT and RT in the 2nd. That would seem to be "Plan A" at this point.
After thinking about it a bit, I think you've hit on it there.
With Poles not pursuing Brown very heavily (and he obviously didn't cuz we could have paid him considerably more), my guess reading the tea leaves is that A) they LOVE Braxton at LT and weren't moving him no matter what and B) they feel confident they can get a starting RT in the draft.
It's hard to reach any other conclusion that those.
Well, teams don't draft "RTs" in the top-10. Sorry, that just doesn't happen. They draft LTs. Maybe they draft LTs who might play RT for a year before taking over for an aging vet on the left side. They just don't draft "pure RTs" in the upper-1st round.
So they must really like some RT prospects and feel confident at least one of them will fall to #53 or lower. Maybe they will trade down in the 1st again and close that gap between #9 and #53 but of course you can't count on that happening. That would be a draft night only move which won't materialize unless the board falls a certain way.
So, if you put a gun to my head, I'd say they are looking at DE in the 1st and DT and RT in the 2nd. That would seem to be "Plan A" at this point.
After thinking about it a bit, I think you've hit on it there.
I'd like to believe that either Broderick Jones or Lukas Van Ess are two guys who could come in and play for us immediately. It's too bad we can't have both.
The question is which is the bigger need?
Jones could easily be a fixture at RT and if Jenkins stays healthy and continues to ascend if I'm Khalil Herbert or whoever else we have at RB I have to like those two clearing daylight for me.
Conversely is Van Ess a budding JJ Watt? The guy is a bull with length and all kinds of natural strength. Plus his GF is Cole Kmet's sister so there's a definite familial tie there. Can he be Flus' DeForest Buckner?
We already have 8 picks this year, We could afford a small trade down, but the bigger question is why is someone trading up to 9? I'm not sure the value is there to drop down and risk losing the best of DT/DE/OT/CB that you can get at 9.
Post by GrizzlyBear on Mar 16, 2023 15:45:16 GMT -6
I'm okay w/ trying to trade down unless Will Anderson, Tyree Wilson, Myles Murphy or Lukas Van Ness is still there at 9. Then you have to pick one imo.