After a night of mourning...reflecting.... calming down-
1. F#ck the Packers.
2. There were a couple bright spots in the overwhelming mess of shit: D- line had good pass rush. Couldn't stop a paper boy running the ball, but they did get good pressure on erin r. Gipson w/ a couple sacks. Quinn got one as well.
3. Monty looked good, when they let him play. (15/122) Khalil looked good also, 4/38
4. 4th and goal from inches...and we're in shotgun. Easy to 2nd guess but everyone and their gramma was screaming as soon as they lined up that way. Horrible play call
I chose "Other" too cuz, as many of us expected, it wasn't a competitive game at all. Let's be honest, it was 95% over at halftime and GB could have scored way more than 3 in the 2nd half if they had needed to. They didn't need to.
I think this game may have finally convinced the last few dead-end homer fans out there just how bad off the prior regime left this team. How Pace/Nagy weren't fired after the 2019 season is still a tragedy as it delayed the inevitable rebuild a year and wasted a year of Fields' rookie contract.
Bottom line: the Bears are early in the rebuild process and they have a long, long way to go. There's a ton of holes on this team and the roster simply is well-below-average in terms of NFL talent. The Packers aren't even as good IMO as the elite teams of the AFC (KC, Buffalo) and yet they blew the Bears out by the 2nd quarter.
So picking a "deflated ball" is a waste of time as virtually every aspect was uncompetitive. I'll say a few emblematic things:
The Bears "top 2 receiving weapons" (Mooney & Kmet) have a combined 2 catches for 4 yards in 2 games. There's no way to sugarcoat that turd. They have both been utterly ineffective and the Bears receiving group as a whole is among the NFL's worst. Let's not pretend otherwise.
Bears OL needs a lot of work. They have long stretches where they can't pass or run block worth a damn. Which results in constant 3rd and longs.
In case anyone thinks the problems are just on offense, last night showed that the defense has plenty of holes of it's own. Bears are gonna need an edge rusher (Quinn will be gone), a CB, a DT, and probably a ILB upgrade. Rodgers and Aaron Jones made them look pathetic and this Packers O is a shadow of what it was a few years ago.
Just when we thought we had a good coaching staff in place, we found out there's plenty of work to do there too. Bears were back to their old tricks of too many penalties, wasted timeouts, and predictable play calls. I don't think even Bellichick could have coached a win last night with the talent deficit we had, but Flus/Getsy/Williams didn't exactly shine either.
Finally, and I'm not panicking yet, Justin Fields really needs to step it up. I'm fully aware that he has crap receivers and a shaky OL but yeash he did not good at all. The "he's still green" excuse won't play forever. Put it this way, if Fields is still playing in week 17 like he did in week 2, the Bears will be picking top-5 and should be drafting another QB. Packers D is solid but hardly a HOF unit. Kirk f*****g Cousins ripped them to shreds just a week prior. Lot of inaccurate throws and pocket unawareness last night from JF, no bueno.
I'm sticking to my preseason prediction of this being a ~ 7-10 team, It would be 5-6 wins if they didn't have such a soft schedule. I expect this isn't the last time this season we will see the Bears simply look bad and uncompetitive. When you can't hang for more than the 1st quarter, your team is nowhere near ready.
+1 I am still hoping we have the right GM and HC in place. At least I haven't seen anything yet to make me not believe that. Time will tell. But even if we DO have the right management and coaching, this is a multi-year rebuild project. No, that doesn't mean we can't see improvement THIS season. I think we will. But it will be "measured" and somewhat modest improvement until the roster has the quality of player talent needed to compete with teams like Green Bay.
We don't have that roster now.
Fans (many of them) seem oblivious to this. They want it all. And they want it now. It is totally delusional to think we are going to see the Bears do much this year against teams as good as Green Bay. Yes, we beat Trey Lance in the mud fest. But not every game will be a repeat of that gift.
And I get a bit pissed when Bears fans point to some aberration team that was turned around quickly and they say "see, we should be able to do that too." LOL. It's like fans who point to drafting Tom Brady in the 6th round... like anyone can do that. It is delusional thinking. There are years of work ahead for Poles/Eberflus. Yes, we (hopefully) will see the improvement begin in 2022. In 2023 we will add a boatload of talent - we have the resources that year to begin the rebuild in earnest. Notice I said BEGIN. This season we didn't do much personnel-wise because Poles did not have the resources to do that. As you (rightly) point out, the team was left in an abysmal state. Poles and Eberflus were forced to cobble together a makeshift, temporary roster for 2022. It was dumpster-diving for cheap talent and sifting through the ashes left by Pace/Nagy to see what pieces could be salvaged that fit the new schemes and the youth movement.
This is a marathon and not a sprint. We can - and should - be patient and enjoy watching some of the better youngsters learn their craft this year and improve. The others will be gone next year. They will have been temp workers. Gone in '23.
I blame the DL as primary for deflated ball. They have to stop the run and we got ran over all game. There is plenty of other culprits including play calling on both sides as the offense got away from the run early and started running again after we were down by 10 I think. CB Gordon was abused and needed help. As a rookie he probably needs to play outside CB and leave the slot to somebody else. The 4th and goal it shotgun was not our greatest moment.
In the end DL needs to stop the run and they failed. Roquan did himself no favors either for contract.
Post by brasilbear on Sept 19, 2022 12:09:09 GMT -6
It wasn't that they lost, we all expected that. It was how they lost, doing the some things as every other loss.
Some/most of that comes from Rodgers being a HOF QB. He processes quickly, knows to find the weak link, and is quick at getting the ball out. Once the Packers realized they could run on the tampa-2 variation the Bears were running the game was over. At that point the Packers knew that the safeties and LBs had to think run first and the DL began worrying about the run. This is when the pass rush stopped, and Rodgers was able to go hunting. With everyone thinking run first and stepping forward on play action, Rodgers was simply throwing guys open into the empty spaces.
Felt like Nagy was calling plays last night, have to be honest. Went away from what was working until it was too late. This feels like Zimmer in Minny to me. Don't turn the ball over, play very conservative on OFF and trust the DEF. Grind out wins. Didn't work there, won't work here.
I'm not down on this team, just individual players and coaches/situations. Its a rebuild.
After the Texans and Giants, depending on how they look, maybe I'll start looking for my pitchfork and flamethrower.
The sad thing about this game is that I don’t think Green Bay are that good this year. We basically couldn’t stop Jones. It’s one thing to be picked apart by Rodgers and Adams but more depressing when you just get gashed in the run game.
I have no idea what the offensive game plan was. Run game looked fantastic at times. But pass plays from the shotgun looked utterly ineffectual. No idea whether this was on Fields, O Line, or receivers not getting open. Gut tells me it was some combination of all three.
Officiating was a joke again. But you come to expect that with the Packers. Fairly sure the reason they lose so pathetically in the play offs each year is they become a much worse team once their OL are no longer get away with blatant cheating like they do in low key regular season games.
One factor that helped them get their run game rolling was the blocking. Green Bay had a number of plays that were blocked perfectly. Yes, your D players whiffed a lot missing tackles. But that was a separate issue. That was a blocking clinic put on by GB on many of those plays. Not in the beginning of the game, but as the game went on the GB blocking had great timing and execution.
Don't worry about the missed tackles in week two... It's happening around the league as these guys aren't playing in the preseason. As for the Packers run offense: It was huge getting Jenkins back and will be even more huge getting Bakthari back. I told you guys months ago this GB team is built on running the football and playing solid defense in the mold of what LaFleur wants it to be. They are going to lead the league in time of possession. That's what you do when you no longer have the stud receivers...
After a night of mourning...reflecting.... calming down-
1. F#ck the Packers.
2. There were a couple bright spots in the overwhelming mess of shit: D- line had good pass rush. Couldn't stop a paper boy running the ball, but they did get good pressure on erin r. Gipson w/ a couple sacks. Quinn got one as well.
3. Monty looked good, when they let him play. (15/122) Khalil looked good also, 4/38
4. 4th and goal from inches...and we're in shotgun. Easy to 2nd guess but everyone and their gramma was screaming as soon as they lined up that way. Horrible play call
The Bears are one of the few teams in the league that still use a FB (and do it well). Line up under center, sneak it, and have that big FB push you over the line.
After a night of mourning...reflecting.... calming down-
1. F#ck the Packers.
2. There were a couple bright spots in the overwhelming mess of shit: D- line had good pass rush. Couldn't stop a paper boy running the ball, but they did get good pressure on erin r. Gipson w/ a couple sacks. Quinn got one as well.
3. Monty looked good, when they let him play. (15/122) Khalil looked good also, 4/38
4. 4th and goal from inches...and we're in shotgun. Easy to 2nd guess but everyone and their gramma was screaming as soon as they lined up that way. Horrible play call
The Bears are one of the few teams in the league that still use a FB (and do it well). Line up under center, sneak it, and have that big FB push you over the line.
Bears pulled a "Nagy" on that one. Totally overthought it and it cost them a TD. Nagy was so like that. Not saying this regime = Nagy. But that 1 play was a Nagy one to the core. Get under center, snap the ball and QB sneak that puppy. Take your 7 points.
The Bears are one of the few teams in the league that still use a FB (and do it well). Line up under center, sneak it, and have that big FB push you over the line.
Totally agree. Even if you thought going shotgun was the way to do it, then let your big FB run up the middle instead of Fields like we used to do back in the days with Jason McKie.
But...... I just looked it up. Our FB weighs 233 lbs, Fields 228 lbs. That's not a lot for a FB. McKie was around 250.
Bears pulled a "Nagy" on that one. Totally overthought it and it cost them a TD. Nagy was so like that. Not saying this regime = Nagy. But that 1 play was a Nagy one to the core. Get under center, snap the ball and QB sneak that puppy. Take your 7 points.
Yep. It looked and felt like Nagy's good old 'Be You' doctrine.
Post by butkus3595 on Sept 19, 2022 18:29:43 GMT -6
That said, with all that the Bears did poorly, this should have been a one score game instead of a turnover on downs at the 1 inch line. Can thank the play call for that, can thank the refs for that, can thank the players execution for that. However, there was some positives to take from that game. The Packers are good and the Bears held them to 3 points in the second half.
I think the rotation with Jenkins and Patrick needs to end. When he's healthy he can slot in at center and it will drastically improve this o-line. The Bears have 2 winnable games coming up...lets flush this one down the toilet.