I'm not talking aobut the amount of pass to run plays, i'm talking about the types of passes being thrown..
Distance thrown is what I was talking about in that last post. Where they are throwing is basically the same.
Not exactly. In fact not even close. Cutler has averaged about a yard more per attempt and over 2 more yards per completion than Hoyer. That's major. So they are most definitely not throwing or completing the exact same types of passes.
Hoyer; 7.2 ypa/10.8 ypc Cutler; 8.1 ypa/13.0 ypc
Ric it's easy to get the wrong impressions about the two and it seems many have but once you look at the facts you do see the difference. Now let's see if the running game continues to produce for Cutler like it did against Minny and the differences will be as great or greater.
But even taking all of this away even if the stats were identical no one could argue that Hoyer has the better arm or more mobility than Cutler has. That's not even close either.
That includes yac yards. If you go into espn splits they break down how far the pass was thrown
Not exactly. In fact not even close. Cutler has averaged about a yard more per attempt and over 2 more yards per completion than Hoyer. That's major. So they are most definitely not throwing or completing the exact same types of passes.
Hoyer; 7.2 ypa/10.8 ypc Cutler; 8.1 ypa/13.0 ypc
Ric it's easy to get the wrong impressions about the two and it seems many have but once you look at the facts you do see the difference. Now let's see if the running game continues to produce for Cutler like it did against Minny and the differences will be as great or greater.
But even taking all of this away even if the stats were identical no one could argue that Hoyer has the better arm or more mobility than Cutler has. That's not even close either.
That includes yac yards. If you go into espn splits they break down how far the pass was thrown
Ric, I have eyes. I watched those games and Hoyer throws and completes far more dink and dunk passes than Cutler does. Hoyer barely threw to AJ compared to how often Cutler does and had to prompted to do it more. He passed on throwing to him on the final play of the Indy game because it was a very low percentage pass for him to complete but not for Cutler. He couldn't take his team downfield for FG against Jax because he failed to connect downfield.
I didn't invent that stuff. That's what actually happened and we all saw it. Even the media was critical off it and felt we could have won both games if Cutler had played so this is not just me saying this.
Cutler wasn't throwing 6 yard dump offs to a RB when he faced 3rd and long and even YAC can be looked at as being able to hit a receiver in stride at the right time more often than not. The longest completion Hoyer had was to Royal and that was mostly YAC as well. The longest completions Cutler has have been downfield jump balls to AJ on throws that Hoyer could only make in his dreams. They don't even come close to throwing with the same velocity and trajectory.
Ric there is no way you can adequately compare on to the other as a staring QB which is why Cutler has been with two teams and starter almost his entire career whereas Hoyer had been a traveling QB for hire more often than not as a #2. You might just as well be comparing Langford to Forte because they've both started games at RB. Cutler can win games Hoyer cannot and we've seen that in real time now.
Soul, I have eyes to. And while Cutler was BETTER at throwing deep, as shown by the ypc/ypa stat, it doesn't change the fact that they both attempted roughly the same passes per game.
I didn't see ANYTHING in that game 2 weeks ago that was different in the actual calls. The difference was Cutler completing more of the deeper passes. Hoyer was throwing them, he just wasn't always throwing to Jeffery, he'd throw to Meredith.
Air Yards: the total distance that a football is thrown beyond the line of scrimmage to the point of reception. Air yards is calculated by taking total passing yards and subtracting Yards After the Catch (YAC).
Cutler: 4.7 yards per attempt ranked 6th league wide (after eliminating guys like Whitehurst and Mallet from the ranks) Hoyer: 3.6 yards per attempt ranked 25th league wide
Air Yards: the total distance that a football is thrown beyond the line of scrimmage to the point of reception. Air yards is calculated by taking total passing yards and subtracting Yards After the Catch (YAC).
Cutler: 4.7 yards per attempt ranked 6th league wide (after eliminating guys like Whitehurst and Mallet from the ranks) Hoyer: 3.6 yards per attempt ranked 25th league wide
Good info there. Even though I've complained and whined about Cutler over the years, I'd much rather have him than Hoyer. I got to the point I hated watching Hoyer play.
Soul, I have eyes to. And while Cutler was BETTER at throwing deep, as shown by the ypc/ypa stat, it doesn't change the fact that they both attempted roughly the same passes per game.
I didn't see ANYTHING in that game 2 weeks ago that was different in the actual calls. The difference was Cutler completing more of the deeper passes. Hoyer was throwing them, he just wasn't always throwing to Jeffery, he'd throw to Meredith.
OK, we see it different then. End of story. But it sure is funny most everyone else saw a much different offense and a much different response by an opponent who now had to account for a QB who can and did throw downfield successfully. I can't ignore the results and neither should you.
You can lose or break even with Hoyer next year if you like but I'd prefer to take my chances winning with Cutler because he's the far better QB of the two.
Air Yards: the total distance that a football is thrown beyond the line of scrimmage to the point of reception. Air yards is calculated by taking total passing yards and subtracting Yards After the Catch (YAC).
Cutler: 4.7 yards per attempt ranked 6th league wide (after eliminating guys like Whitehurst and Mallet from the ranks) Hoyer: 3.6 yards per attempt ranked 25th league wide
Well try to get Ric to believe that. He watches but apparently fails to notice that even though the results are quite plain. No one, and I mean no one, is threatened by either Hoyer's ability or his willingness to challenge a defense downfield.
I really can't understand why anyone can't see that. They aren't even close to being the same type of passer. Cutler is closer to Aaron Rodger without the wins while Hoyer is closer to Jimmy Clausen with better accuracy and more experience.
Air Yards: the total distance that a football is thrown beyond the line of scrimmage to the point of reception. Air yards is calculated by taking total passing yards and subtracting Yards After the Catch (YAC).
Cutler: 4.7 yards per attempt ranked 6th league wide (after eliminating guys like Whitehurst and Mallet from the ranks) Hoyer: 3.6 yards per attempt ranked 25th league wide
Good info there. Even though I've complained and whined about Cutler over the years, I'd much rather have him than Hoyer. I got to the point I hated watching Hoyer play.
What bugs me is many of Cutler's mistakes and turnovers have come from being in a position where he had to take risks in order to win and at least he was willing to try stats be damned. But when faced with the same problem Hoyer wasn't even willing to try and instead seemingly prefers to pad his stats. So which one wants to win more?
Good info there. Even though I've complained and whined about Cutler over the years, I'd much rather have him than Hoyer. I got to the point I hated watching Hoyer play.
What bugs me is many of Cutler's mistakes and turnovers have come from being in a position where he had to take risks in order to win and at least he was willing to try stats be damned. But when faced with the same problem Hoyer wasn't even willing to try and instead seemingly prefers to pad his stats. So which one wants to win more?
I think they both want to win. Cutler has some God-given talent that Hoyer doesn't have. I've never seen a QB in the NFL with a better combination of arm strength and also the ability to put the ball in a tight window for receivers. Hoyer couldn't do that if you put a gun to his head and threatened to shoot him. But with Jay you take the good with the not so good.
What bugs me is many of Cutler's mistakes and turnovers have come from being in a position where he had to take risks in order to win and at least he was willing to try stats be damned. But when faced with the same problem Hoyer wasn't even willing to try and instead seemingly prefers to pad his stats. So which one wants to win more?
I think they both want to win. Cutler has some God-given talent that Hoyer doesn't have. I've never seen a QB in the NFL with a better combination of arm strength and also the ability to put the ball in a tight window for receivers. Hoyer couldn't do that if you put a gun to his head and threatened to shoot him. But with Jay you take the good with the not so good.
I was being a little facetious there because of course Hoyer wasn't playing to lose but he was playing to not be the guy a loss could be hung on which is just the opposite of the way Jay plays.
If you never even challenge a defense eventually they just sit on your favorite sure thing routes and take them away. Then you can't complete a 15 yard pass on 3rd an long when you need to and end up dumping the ball off making it that guys job to get to the sticks. IMHO that's more or less what Hoyer was doing and it's also what the Chicago media called him out for doing.
In Hoyer's world (and maybe Fox's too) his job was to not lose the game and it was up to someone else to win it. Good luck even winning a division title with that approach when you have to beat an Aaron Rodgers every year.