Post by germansbombedph on Oct 18, 2016 1:00:03 GMT -6
Bears are a bad Team in the rebuild and weren't better than 9-7 (best case Scenario). Now with injuries and Coaching, we are going 1-7 into the bye week.
They can Keep Hoyer on the field, Cutler could win some games we should lose. I want that Top3 Pick to take Kizer or Garrett. If not, I'm fine with Peppers or Jonathan Allen
In fairness, nobody is claiming Hoyer is a great QB. Or Cutler for that matter. Most folks are hoping we can draft a solid QB for the post-Cutler era next year.
I think everyone agrees that Hoyer is at best a career backup. Cutler is hurt. Nothing we can do about that. It is what it is. A tough season to endure for all of us.
It was addressed to no one in particular and only to those who said or wrote in their columns in the media that Hoyer might be a viable place holder for an entire year or more while we drafted and developed a new QB because he was outplaying Cutler!!!
Talk about seeing a guy through rose colored glasses AND ones badly in need of much stronger prescription too. The guy plays about as well as a decent rookie or second year guy but he's not. He's a seven or eight year vet whose played better than 50 games.
If he hasn't got it by now it ain't there to get period.
I don't remember anyone agreeing w/him. but I remember that meme, it was funny.
btw, see what Phi and Hou have done recently, both those great def's have now started to give up points Houston 4 straight games of 20-30 points, Philly 2 straight games. So far the only impressive Def outing between the 2 was Philly holding Pit to 3 points. Right now those great def's look more like they benefited from butter soft schedules to start the year more then they are actually great. Time will tell though, gotta give it all a few more weeks at minimum.
That brings up the notion that the O Line's pass protection has improved. Has it? Or is it Hoyer getting rid of the ball so quickly and never taking a chance. I have not watched enough of Hoyer's career play to know if he is playing timid or if he really has a noodle arm and is playing within his limits.
It would be interesting to see what Cutler would do with the line starting to gel and Jordan Howard as the tailback. Cutler's bonehead plays are emblazoned into our minds but if there is one thing I've realized about Cutler while watching Hoyer is that he has always has had big play capability & some exciting plays over the years. As long as there was time on the clock and the Bears were within a TD there was still hope. With Hoyer, not so much.
OL has probably gelled, but the Bears have only faced one good def since then, the Jags, and they aren't great. My guess is it's a combination of the OL getting a little better, Hoyer getting the ball out quickly, and poor defenses.
There was at least one guy comparing Hoyer to Rogers and people agreed with him, so I'd say that people believed Hoyer was better than average as a QB.
Then Aaron Rodgers should slap that guy silly. Aaron's in a bit of a decline right now but Hoyer is still located somewhere below his shoelaces as a passer.
I don't remember anyone agreeing w/him. but I remember that meme, it was funny.
btw, see what Phi and Hou have done recently, both those great def's have now started to give up points Houston 4 straight games of 20-30 points, Philly 2 straight games. So far the only impressive Def outing between the 2 was Philly holding Pit to 3 points. Right now those great def's look more like they benefited from butter soft schedules to start the year more then they are actually great. Time will tell though, gotta give it all a few more weeks at minimum.
That brings up the notion that the O Line's pass protection has improved. Has it? Or is it Hoyer getting rid of the ball so quickly and never taking a chance. I have not watched enough of Hoyer's career play to know if he is playing timid or if he really has a noodle arm and is playing within his limits.
It would be interesting to see what Cutler would do with the line starting to gel and Jordan Howard as the tailback. Cutler's bonehead plays are emblazoned into our minds but if there is one thing I've realized about Cutler while watching Hoyer is that he has always has had big play capability & some exciting plays over the years. As long as there was time on the clock and the Bears were within a TD there was still hope. With Hoyer, not so much.
And therein lies the problem Billy. Even though Cutler turned his game around significantly last year some will still choose to bring up the past under other OCs in much worse offense far less suited to his strong points. Despite that Cutler never fought with his OC other to tell Martz to go **** himself and walk away from Tice but he still ran what he was asked to run. Now compare that to Mac who often told Ditka to go **** himself and then ran what he wanted to run. Maybe Cutler needs to have more of Mac in him.
Where was his pass blocking earlier this year? Where was his running game? Where was Cam Meredith in place of Kevin White and where were the planned roll outs passers like Cutler and Rodgers thrive on and Loggains is finally putting into his game plans? Did Fox restrain him from those earlier or was Loggains just not up to using them? How can anyone contrast what Cutler had to work with to what Hoyer has had for several games?
Too many want recall bad shit from the past only as it relates to Cutler and forget all about what life was like at QB before him. That's why I brought up those I did that were all 1st round picks! The reason JA traded for Cutler is that we hadn't drafted a decent QB since Mac back back around '82 and maybe Harbaugh around '88 or so. Since 1992 the Bears have started 29 different QBs!! We have such a great track record for it that at least some idiot Bears fans still clamor for dumping Cutler and rolling snake eyes one more time hoping that just once 7 or 11 comes up and it hasn't since we drafted Sid Luckman in '39.
I've posted on far too many occasions how Cutler's stats compare to other top QBs who were also seen as being gunslingers and risk takers. They're actually very comparable and some of these guys are HOF QBs so is it all Cutler or is maybe some of it the mess of team he's been asked to lead? No one in the NFL ever threw more picks than Brett Favre and some I saw were far worse than Cutler's yet in GB he's hero and in the HOF and to some Bears fans Cutler is the goat and in the Hall of Shame. So go figure.
Like I said. Most Bear fans can't see beyond the end of their noses and wouldn't know what a good QB looked like if he bit 'em in the ass. If they did Hoyer wouldn't have had to spend 4 games proving he isn't one. Most should have seen that the minute he took over for Cutler and got nowhere too.