I think its time to get an Offensive minded HC who knows when to be aggressive and when not to be. Fox and his conservative play calling is getting out of hand. We had multiple chances to kill the Jags into a high leading way. Fox decided to play it safe and play not to lose instead of playing to win.
The sooner the Fox era ends the better this team will be. In the mean time use this season as practice for our rookies who are playing and tank for that top 3 pick. Either get Myles Garrett or a QB with a new HC.
I'm willing to give Pace one more shot at a top 10 pick. If he can't hit on it he needs to go as well.
I'm tempted to say that if the Bears do fire Fox, they should bring in Josh McDaniels.. However, Josh was a disaster in Denver.. So I don't know who is out there that is good.
I think its time to get an Offensive minded HC who knows when to be aggressive and when not to be. Fox and his conservative play calling is getting out of hand. We had multiple chances to kill the Jags into a high leading way. Fox decided to play it safe and play not to lose instead of playing to win.
The sooner the Fox era ends the better this team will be. In the mean time use this season as practice for our rookies who are playing and tank for that top 3 pick. Either get Myles Garrett or a QB with a new HC.
I'm willing to give Pace one more shot at a top 10 pick. If he can't hit on it he needs to go as well.
I'm tempted to say that if the Bears do fire Fox, they should bring in Josh McDaniels.. However, Josh was a disaster in Denver.. So I don't know who is out there that is good.
Cutler would blow a hemorrhoid if we hired McDaniels :-)
Pace should get another chance to hire a HC no matter how bad this turns out. The buck stops with the GM, but he's young/new. I always figure these are Pace's coaches. These are his players. This is Pace's team. He's the GM.
But he should get a 2nd chance to show he can hire a good coach - and begin drafting better in the 1st round.
And I would not disagree with that especially because I do believe the shadier side of the story/rumor about just how he may have been hung with Fox to begin with because it does make some logical sense. That trail can be fairly easily traced and has been by others as well.
It might also be nice to see what a draft might look like without Pace having to follow John Fox's recipe's for success, use Fox's favorite ingredients, and have Fox's hand stirring the sauce a little too often.
Remember it was Fox who was the only one to answer for why they drafted 3 backup defensive players and STeamers in round 4 and passed on Dak Prescott. It was Fox who claimed all were ranked higher not Pace. He was silent on this one and that in itself speaks volumes for a guy who said he would be drafting young passers.
If nothing else we can at least hold to both the fact that Pace is basically a very hard working honest type of guy who at his age still has much upside whereas John Fox has none of those redeeming qualities. In fact I would say he's much the opposite.
The Bears cannot be afraid to admit they made a mistake again and Pace has to be the one to do it and regain his status as the guy in charge. As it stands it appears that far too much of that has been suborned by John Fox. Yeah, the McCaskey's will lose a lot of money paying Fox off but they'll lose face and trust if they allow this to go on much longer. Pace has to be given the green light to do as he sees fit and unlike Emery with Mel Tucker he can't allow bad judgement to force him to make the wrong choice thinking it can only get better. It won't.
For fans, this is what is frustrating. We know it's broken. We know bad personnel decisions have been made. There have been legit injuries but also a possibility of bad training room capability. There has been bad play on the field.
Now, some like the bad play is Fox pure and simple. The decision to play certain players over others is again Fox.
The conservative offense? Hoyer, Logging, or Fox? Hoyer is for sure a part of it and it is easy to extend to Fox due to past tendencies, but still I am not CERTAIN.
Who we drafted? It should be Pace and maybe it is. Once again, it is easy to rationalize Fox as the hidden hand because one thinks he is supposed to be guiding Pace, but the reality is we don't know.
Training room capability should again be on Pace. But maybe the trainers are considered like coaches and are the responsibility of the HC.
The point being is that while we know Fox has responsibility for some of this, we don't know that it's all him. I'm not trying to defend him but simply stating that while it's easy to find a path to blame everything on Fox, we don't know.
So that is the fans frustration. Knowing that someone is making the soup wrong, but not having enough facts to know who it is.
If I knew it was Fox on all this stuff, I would say can him as fast as we can. Right know all I know is he is not doing a great job but don't know more than that.
I wish I did because this needs to be fixed asap. I just hope the people at HH that do know will do what needs to be done. George is the only guy I trust. I think.
I'm tempted to say that if the Bears do fire Fox, they should bring in Josh McDaniels.. However, Josh was a disaster in Denver.. So I don't know who is out there that is good.
Cutler would blow a hemorrhoid if we hired McDaniels :-)
Maybe the Bears can get a team 1st round draft pick for Cutler.. Maybe the Jets??
Pace should get another chance to hire a HC no matter how bad this turns out. The buck stops with the GM, but he's young/new. I always figure these are Pace's coaches. These are his players. This is Pace's team. He's the GM.
But he should get a 2nd chance to show he can hire a good coach - and begin drafting better in the 1st round.
And I would not disagree with that especially because I do believe the shadier side of the story/rumor about just how he may have been hung with Fox to begin with because it does make some logical sense. That trail can be fairly easily traced and has been by others as well.
It might also be nice to see what a draft might look like without Pace having to follow John Fox's recipe's for success, use Fox's favorite ingredients, and have Fox's hand stirring the sauce a little too often.
Remember it was Fox who was the only one to answer for why they drafted 3 backup defensive players and STeamers in round 4 and passed on Dak Prescott. It was Fox who claimed all were ranked higher not Pace. He was silent on this one and that in itself speaks volumes for a guy who said he would be drafting young passers.
If nothing else we can at least hold to both the fact that Pace is basically a very hard working honest type of guy who at his age still has much upside whereas John Fox has none of those redeeming qualities. In fact I would say he's much the opposite.
The Bears cannot be afraid to admit they made a mistake again and Pace has to be the one to do it and regain his status as the guy in charge. As it stands it appears that far too much of that has been suborned by John Fox. Yeah, the McCaskey's will lose a lot of money paying Fox off but they'll lose face and trust if they allow this to go on much longer. Pace has to be given the green light to do as he sees fit and unlike Emery with Mel Tucker he can't allow bad judgement to force him to make the wrong choice thinking it can only get better. It won't.
I figure the Bears swung for the fences and tried to "think outside the box" when they hired a highly successful CFL coach in Trestman. I'll admit that I was pretty pumped when they hired Trestman. He seemed like the anti-Lovie guy. Offensive coach, that we all had talked about wanting for the Bears. A winner of multiple CFL championships (their equivalent of super bowl victories).
Of course he was a bad coach for us.
But I actually liked that the Bears tried to break out of the mediocrity of Lovie and swung for the fences there. At least they tried. Us fans were so happy at first. Most of us (me included) were ecstatic with the hire.
Then when Trestman failed we all turned to the pitchforks and torches.
It was all the McCaskey's fault. They should sell the franchise. And on and on. It's what fans do. We have 20-20 hindsight.
Once the team was in the toilet bowl after Emery/Trestman, the Bears hire the anti-Trestman guy. A veteran "safe" pick in John Fox. Most (not all but most) fans were pretty happy with that pick. I was. The team was a mess at that point, and I figured that even if Fox couldn't get us to a super bowl, he could at least help straighten up the mess. I figured it would take a respected veteran coach to do that - and Fox's past players seemed to like and respect him. We had a locker room mess after Trestman left... we could use a dose of a respected veteran to right the ship.
Of course it didn't happen that way.
So now the fans are grabbing the pitchforks and torches again. You read the hateful fan reaction now towards Fox. But in all honesty, I thought the hire (at the time) seemed like a good one. At least I could see the logic in the choice of a solid veteran to try and clean up the Trestman mess. And I liked the idea (very much) of going back to having a stellar defense again. Monsters of the Midway on defense again.
I liked having Gase and Fangio as coordinators too.
I figured one of the advantages of having a respected veteran head coach like John Fox here, was that you didn't have to have 2nd rate coordinators like Mel Tucker around. We could attract guys like Gase and Fangio - two of the best coordinators in the NFL in my humble opinion.
Fox gave us that quality with his presence here as head coach.
But the problem was Gase gets the HC gig in Miami and we are left with Loggains right now. And we really don't have the players yet to power-up the schemes properly on offense or defense (not full power anyway... and not with the injuries to many key starters).
Our starting QB has been injured for multiple games and we have a backup guy with a noodle arm trying to run the O. It's not working. We can't score points. Fans are pissed. You still read occasional posts (on the old board) that the McCaskey's should sell the franchise. Heads should roll. Etc. Etc. Etc.
I understand the fan and sports media anger and disappointment. I'm disappointed too. But I just think the rebuilding of the Bears franchise is tougher than what we first realized. Add in a few misses in the draft and free agency to the mix. And a few GM misfires by the rookie GM, and it all adds up to a tough situation.
One thing that makes me shake my head is when fan boils a very complicated situation with many causation factors - they boil it all down to one factor being the cause of it all. It's all on Cutler, or Pace, or Fox, or Hoyer or (just fill in the blank). In reality we are in our present situation due to a LOT of factors coming together in a perfect storm. Believe me. Getting rid of Cutler won't solve our woes. Or Hoyer. Or even firing John Fox.
None of these things in a vacuum will magically make the Bears into the Patriots.
There is a lot wrong with the team. Kind of like the Cubs when they were a shit team for so long. It does take some time to completely turn the ship around.
And people are wanting Fox fired now. I don't argue about that thought. But who is "The Guy" you bring in here? Of course fans will yap about crazy hires like "Hire the Chin" or (just fill in the blank). Those guys are NOT coming here. It's not happening. So who DO you hire? Realistically?
And what if we hire a guy who wants totally different schemes again? Like wanting a 4-3 defense. How about them apples? Years more to revamp the roster to fit what the NEW guy wants. I'm not staying that's bad. I'm just saying it's gonna be a long haul with no Mike Tice pixie dust fixes here. But all the fans want is to just fire somebody and it will all be "good" here. LOL.
I think its time to get an Offensive minded HC who knows when to be aggressive and when not to be. Fox and his conservative play calling is getting out of hand. We had multiple chances to kill the Jags into a high leading way. Fox decided to play it safe and play not to lose instead of playing to win.
The sooner the Fox era ends the better this team will be. In the mean time use this season as practice for our rookies who are playing and tank for that top 3 pick. Either get Myles Garrett or a QB with a new HC.
I'm willing to give Pace one more shot at a top 10 pick. If he can't hit on it he needs to go as well.
I'm tempted to say that if the Bears do fire Fox, they should bring in Josh McDaniels.. However, Josh was a disaster in Denver.. So I don't know who is out there that is good.
Cutler or no Cutler you do not want Josh McDipshit as a HC. Like most of the others from the Belicheat coaching tree he's another product of that system and having Tom Brady as his QB. He did as much or more damage in Denver in 1 1/2 years as it took Phil Emery 3 to do in Chicago. That's how long he lasted here or about as long as Fox should last in Chicago but probably won't because we don't have the balls to do what it takes to win the Broncos do.
If we though Emery was arrogant he'd look like a fuckin' Buddhist compared to McDumb.
And I would not disagree with that especially because I do believe the shadier side of the story/rumor about just how he may have been hung with Fox to begin with because it does make some logical sense. That trail can be fairly easily traced and has been by others as well.
It might also be nice to see what a draft might look like without Pace having to follow John Fox's recipe's for success, use Fox's favorite ingredients, and have Fox's hand stirring the sauce a little too often.
Remember it was Fox who was the only one to answer for why they drafted 3 backup defensive players and STeamers in round 4 and passed on Dak Prescott. It was Fox who claimed all were ranked higher not Pace. He was silent on this one and that in itself speaks volumes for a guy who said he would be drafting young passers.
If nothing else we can at least hold to both the fact that Pace is basically a very hard working honest type of guy who at his age still has much upside whereas John Fox has none of those redeeming qualities. In fact I would say he's much the opposite.
The Bears cannot be afraid to admit they made a mistake again and Pace has to be the one to do it and regain his status as the guy in charge. As it stands it appears that far too much of that has been suborned by John Fox. Yeah, the McCaskey's will lose a lot of money paying Fox off but they'll lose face and trust if they allow this to go on much longer. Pace has to be given the green light to do as he sees fit and unlike Emery with Mel Tucker he can't allow bad judgement to force him to make the wrong choice thinking it can only get better. It won't.
I figure the Bears swung for the fences and tried to "think outside the box" when they hired a highly successful CFL coach in Trestman. I'll admit that I was pretty pumped when they hired Trestman. He seemed like the anti-Lovie guy. Offensive coach, that we all had talked about wanting for the Bears. A winner of multiple CFL championships (their equivalent of super bowl victories).
Of course he was a bad coach for us.
But I actually liked that the Bears tried to break out of the mediocrity of Lovie and swung for the fences there. At least they tried. Us fans were so happy at first. Most of us (me included) were ecstatic with the hire.
Then when Trestman failed we all turned to the pitchforks and torches.
It was all the McCaskey's fault. They should sell the franchise. And on and on. It's what fans do. We have 20-20 hindsight.
Once the team was in the toilet bowl after Emery/Trestman, the Bears hire the anti-Trestman guy. A veteran "safe" pick in John Fox. Most (not all but most) fans were pretty happy with that pick. I was. The team was a mess at that point, and I figured that even if Fox couldn't get us to a super bowl, he could at least help straighten up the mess. I figured it would take a respected veteran coach to do that - and Fox's past players seemed to like and respect him. We had a locker room mess after Trestman left... we could use a dose of a respected veteran to right the ship.
Of course it didn't happen that way.
So now the fans are grabbing the pitchforks and torches again. You read the hateful fan reaction now towards Fox. But in all honesty, I thought the hire (at the time) seemed like a good one. At least I could see the logic in the choice of a solid veteran to try and clean up the Trestman mess. And I liked the idea (very much) of going back to having a stellar defense again. Monsters of the Midway on defense again.
I liked having Gase and Fangio as coordinators too.
I figured one of the advantages of having a respected veteran head coach like John Fox here, was that you didn't have to have 2nd rate coordinators like Mel Tucker around. We could attract guys like Gase and Fangio - two of the best coordinators in the NFL in my humble opinion.
Fox gave us that quality with his presence here as head coach.
But the problem was Gase gets the HC gig in Miami and we are left with Loggains right now. And we really don't have the players yet to power-up the schemes properly on offense or defense (not full power anyway... and not with the injuries to many key starters).
Our starting QB has been injured for multiple games and we have a backup guy with a noodle arm trying to run the O. It's not working. We can't score points. Fans are pissed. You still read occasional posts (on the old board) that the McCaskey's should sell the franchise. Heads should roll. Etc. Etc. Etc.
I understand the fan and sports media anger and disappointment. I'm disappointed too. But I just think the rebuilding of the Bears franchise is tougher than what we first realized. Add in a few misses in the draft and free agency to the mix. And a few GM misfires by the rookie GM, and it all adds up to a tough situation.
One thing that makes me shake my head is when fan boils a very complicated situation with many causation factors - they boil it all down to one factor being the cause of it all. It's all on Cutler, or Pace, or Fox, or Hoyer or (just fill in the blank). In reality we are in our present situation due to a LOT of factors coming together in a perfect storm. Believe me. Getting rid of Cutler won't solve our woes. Or Hoyer. Or even firing John Fox.
None of these things in a vacuum will magically make the Bears into the Patriots.
There is a lot wrong with the team. Kind of like the Cubs when they were a shit team for so long. It does take some time to completely turn the ship around.
And people are wanting Fox fired now. I don't argue about that thought. But who is "The Guy" you bring in here? Of course fans will yap about crazy hires like "Hire the Chin" or (just fill in the blank). Those guys are NOT coming here. It's not happening. So who DO you hire? Realistically?
And what if we hire a guy who wants totally different schemes again? Like wanting a 4-3 defense. How about them apples? Years more to revamp the roster to fit what the NEW guy wants. I'm not staying that's bad. I'm just saying it's gonna be a long haul with no Mike Tice pixie dust fixes here. But all the fans want is to just fire somebody and it will all be "good" here. LOL.
That is the major concern I have if we do fire Fox what kind of scheme does the new guy bring?
