We're already having players taking shots at each other but this time out in the public.
Mcphee yells at Cutler:
Jones-Quartey and Amos melt down last week on the sideline.
Fox throwing out insults while using Hotdogs as a metaphor for questing his playcalling.
We were a competitive team last year while this year we ain't close to that.
I just write that off as players frustration to losing. I'd rather have that than have them not caring. I thought the hot dog comment by Fox was just frustration on his part too. Nobody likes to endure a season like this. Not players, coaches or the fans. And it's going to continue all season long. This is as good as it gets this year.
You don't call Marshall yelling at others frustration of losing too? The big difference is at least he waited until the locker room while these players are doing it while the whole world can see it.
I understand coaches might not like their decisions question but when you're 1-5 I think people have a right to question him.
+1 We are a bad team. It's not like we were a good team last year and became a bad team this year. I think the #1 problem on offense is our QB situation. Hoyer is so limited with his weak arm that the game gets reduced to running or short passes. His long balls lack any power or accuracy.
I also think that this limits what the OC can do.
I happen to agree.. I know hindsight is 50/50, but the Bears should have drafted a QB..
I will say this though. Loggains might be smart enough to tailor his game to Hoyer. He might realize that that is all hecan do and so that is all he is doing.
I say might because I am still trying to decide if he is simply doing what Fox wants. This type of offense is really a John Fox of offense, so not sure if it's smarts on Loggains part or just incompetence following orders.
This is where I'm at. I think Loggains is actually doing a pretty good job at playcalling lately and he may just be doing what Fox is asking of him. Usually it's the OC who want's to open it all up for better or worse. So my thinking it's Fox being conservative and it's reflected in much of the play calling.
The offense needs to cut the penalties down but players generally seem to be executing about as well as they can. I don't see the disfunction or disinterest the player's had when the Trestman boat started sinking. They just are having a hard time in the red zone.
There's a dearth of playmakers on this team . Until we find some ( especially at the QB position ) this team will continue to struggle , cuz it's the guys who actually 'make' big plays that win games for you . The rash of injuries can't be overlooked either . So you have a team with avg athletes trying to overcome too many injuries to some of their 'better' players . Call it a regression if you want - I call it not having much to work with .
I'd like to see what this team can do with healthy players and a real QB . Hopefully we'll see that starting next year .
Under Trestman the team quit. I haven't seen that yet.
That's a great point.
I was also going to point this out. The defense really tried to play hard all four quarters but exhaustion and the obvious lack of talent reared their ugly heads.
+1 We are a bad team. It's not like we were a good team last year and became a bad team this year. I think the #1 problem on offense is our QB situation. Hoyer is so limited with his weak arm that the game gets reduced to running or short passes. His long balls lack any power or accuracy.
I also think that this limits what the OC can do.
You're right. It's more like we were a very mediocre team who supposedly added much talent and would have the benefit of better play from second year guys who have become worse than bad. Pathetic is about right.
And the **** this is about QB'ing it's a far deeper than that. You don't need a gunslinger with an arm like Rodgers or Cutler to win but you do need a HC and an OC who are sharp enough to scheme and play call to win with who you have. Christ by the end of the 2015 season Manning could barely throw a ball 20 yards on the fly and Denver won a SB with him.
If you want to get to the bottom of it treat the root cause not surface symptoms or this team will never be healthy again. Here's the problems.
"Offensively, teams trained to play not to lose typically do. These Bears are Fox's creation, an overly cautious bunch worried more about protecting the football than advancing it, a group of players more concerned with not making a mistake than making a big play."
"But understand the cost of that safe approach in Jay Cutler's absence. On third-and-16 on the Bears' final drive, for instance, Hoyer hit Cam Meredith on a 6-yard hitch route. Efficient? Sure. Intelligent? Not if you want to keep the chains moving to get in field-goal range."
"Too many examples of that conservative mindset exist to think the Bears are better without Cutler."
"Alarmingly, the offense also has shown either an unwillingness or inability to adjust. Either tendency indicts the coaching staff. When Jeffery catches six passes in the first half for 90 yards and the Jaguars hold him to one catch for 3 yards in the second half, it suggests the Bears have been outsmarted."
And none of this is so much vote for Cutler as it is a vote against Fox and his insane personnel decisions and continued insistence on playing a brand of football no team without an extremely dominant defense has been able to win with in over 20 years. He wants to play 1990's football in 2016.
You couldn't bring in Tom Brady or Aaron Rodger and win in this system he wants to run.
For all of the injuries he's faced and the rookies and second line players he's had to play with Fangio has kept us in most games and we've yet to have been blown out that way. But offensively. Yeah, there we have been blown out. How many NFL teams who roll up 400-500 yards in a game can't manage more than a single TD and end up leaving points on the field settling for chip shot FGs?