Fox Plays to not lose a game instead of going for a win. There is a difference and if you watch other sports like Soccer or icehockey, you see a difference between wanting to win and not wanting to lose. Fox is a guy that doesn't want to lose, but he is not a guy that does everything needed to win.
That's why I say he doesn't want to win. Added his Age and the contract he has, he doesn't has to worry anymore.
I'm confident he has no plan. If he would have and would want to win he'd be working out new Kickers already with Barth getting his papers and shown the door. If their plan is to suck, then it's working. If they want Garrett or Kizer and a Top2 Pick, it's working. Other than that there isn't a plan to be seen.
Okay, I understand your point better. I still think he wants to win here, because IF he could have a success here - on his last team in a 40 year career - it would be a great way to leave. As a winner. I don't think he wants to end a loser getting fired.
I do understand how people may think he's playing not to lose, rather than to win. I just think that's his conservative coaching style. I think he wants a tough defense, ball-control offense, strong running game, limited (few) turnovers on offense, etc. But I don't think the talent is good enough at this point (especially with this being a young/new roster that is also riddled with injuries) to consistently execute this plan - not at a high level. The talent level needs to be higher. As the rebuilding continues next year, my hope is that we finally see the team winning a lot more.
There have obviously been GM and HC mistakes made the first year (and the 5 games this year). And I understand people are going to interpret the causes in a lot of different ways. I am still holding out hope that Pace and Fox are going to be okay here. LOL, that's my hope anyway :-)
Our Team has a Problem and it slide over from last year: We. can't. score.
That's on the Coaching as much as it is on the Players.
I don't think Fox will win with us, I don't see the improvement I expect and since I want us to draft a QB high next year, I don't want Fox to be his 1st NFL Coach.
Why are we going off 11 starts? Shouldn't it be 4, or 20(all of last season+this season). Also isn't it well regarded that Rogers had his worst year last year, so aren't you seriously cherry picking stats at that point?
Rogers this year, 9 TD's, 3 picks 1 fumble 56.1 comp %, 3 wins 1 loss
Yes. Hoyer is a backup caliber talent. If the starting QB is healthy, absolutely bench him.
Hoyer can be good enough to beat bad teams. That alone will keep him employed for years in the NFL. Because the alternative are chumps like Jon Quinn and Caleb Hanie who can't beat anybody as the #2 QB.
But he's just not good enough to compete against good teams, let alone the elite teams. So the Bears should use him to get from point A, Cutler being injured, to point B, which is Cutler being healthy.
Then again Cutler isn't good enough to beat good or elite teams, so where is the downfall again?
Thats the key right there. Without a doubt Cutler is the more physicially skilled of the two. He's the most experienced. He's also a throwback to the gun-slinging era. He would work well with a strong DEF that can cover for mistakes. Bears don't have a strong DEF, so...you go with the other guy, the game manager who so far has avoided the turnovers.
Having said that its still a cost-risk decision at this point. Do you prefer safe decision maker that so far hasn't produced the points you would expect from the yards generated? Or the guy that over his career has generated 24 points per game (don't have a link for that stat, read it on here somewhere) but will give you close to 2 turnovers a game on average? With a DEF that needs to be protected at all costs (no pass rush, no playmakers in the secondary, injuries all across the board) I think you go with Hoyer, AS LONG AS he keeps avoiding the turnovers. If he reverts to form, averaging close to 1.5 turnovers a game, you have a low risk taker still turning the ball over who can't generate points. At that point, go with the gun-slinger. Or not...doesn't matter.
Neither one should be here next year. There should be a new QB taking snaps next fall, be it 1st round, 2nd round, 3rd round...FA, UDFA...doesn't matter.
It bothers me that so many people are so satisfied with Hoyer because he's put up really good stats. Stats are great for fantasy football but I want a QB that is going to put some points on the board when they get in the red zone. I don't know if Cutler would have won the game but I've watched him enough to know that he's not afraid to give his best players the ball. I know Cutler can make some passes into the end zone. I agree with what Jeffery said about stats and not winning.
What's not to like about Hoyer?
He gives the ball to EVERYONE. He isn't a turnover machine like Cutler. I don't hold my breath every time Hoyer throws the ball.
Without Hoyer White wouldn't of as many balls thrown to him. Without Hoyer Meredith wouldn't of got balls thrown to him like he did.
Hoyer is building young players confidence while Cutler just ignores them and throws to AJ all game.
I'm not saying Hoyer is the answer because he isn't but he's the best QB on the team so far.
We can draft a QB next year in the 2nd which is Pace's sweet spot when it comes to the draft.
I don't like the fact that he couldn't beat the Colts when he should have. There are not many excuses to pass for that many yards and have that good of running game and not win. Hoyer needs to get the ball in the end zone when in the red zone. I agree with what you said about him playing well and spreading the ball around but he needs to get the ball to the best player when in the red zone. You can't be throwing short to the 4th WR.
He gives the ball to EVERYONE. He isn't a turnover machine like Cutler. I don't hold my breath every time Hoyer throws the ball.
Without Hoyer White wouldn't of as many balls thrown to him. Without Hoyer Meredith wouldn't of got balls thrown to him like he did.
Hoyer is building young players confidence while Cutler just ignores them and throws to AJ all game.
I'm not saying Hoyer is the answer because he isn't but he's the best QB on the team so far.
We can draft a QB next year in the 2nd which is Pace's sweet spot when it comes to the draft.
I don't like the fact that he couldn't beat the Colts when he should have. There are not many excuses to pass for that many yards and have that good of running game and not win. Hoyer needs to get the ball in the end zone when in the red zone. I agree with what you said about him playing well and spreading the ball around but he needs to get the ball to the best player when in the red zone. You can't be throwing short to the 4th WR.
I figure he made a dumb mistake... and it cost us. But in fairness he performed well overall. A number of our players made dumb mistakes in that game too though.
I don't like the fact that he couldn't beat the Colts when he should have. There are not many excuses to pass for that many yards and have that good of running game and not win. Hoyer needs to get the ball in the end zone when in the red zone. I agree with what you said about him playing well and spreading the ball around but he needs to get the ball to the best player when in the red zone. You can't be throwing short to the 4th WR.
I figure he made a dumb mistake... and it cost us. But in fairness he performed well overall. A number of our players made dumb mistakes in that game too though.
I'm not trying to say he's not playing well but it just irks me that he can put up those stats and not find a way to get the team in the end zone. Maybe it's not him, maybe it's the coaching but something is wrong yet.