Quarterback Brian Hoyer gives Chicago Bears needed momentum

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Quarterback Brian Hoyer gives Chicago Bears needed momentum Oct 10, 2016 1:30:55 GMT -6

Post by germansbombedph on Oct 10, 2016 1:30:55 GMT -6

Cutler would have thrown a pick or two while going to AJ in triple coverage. Not sure how that would have changed the outcome. We all know Hoyer is not our future, neither is Cutler. Yes, Hoyer should have thrown to Jeffery.
Just going by a tweet by hodge I've read... Cutler wouldn't have put up much more Points than Hoyer did. He wasn't able to do it last year, why should it be this year?

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Oct 10, 2016 1:30:55 GMT -6 germansbombedph said:

Cutler would have thrown a pick or two while going to AJ in triple coverage. Not sure how that would have changed the outcome. We all know Hoyer is not our future, neither is Cutler. Yes, Hoyer should have thrown to Jeffery.
Just going by a tweet by hodge I've read... Cutler wouldn't have put up much more Points than Hoyer did. He wasn't able to do it last year, why should it be this year?

Your clairvoyance amazes me gbph. Let's deal with fact and not fiction OK. We actually have "real results" here to analyze so we don't have to fantasize like that. So analyze those OK not the imaginary ones especially when it was Hoyer who threw into triple coverage on that final play and ignored the guy who had single coverage and was open.

Did you see the game? I'm fed up to here with all these projections. Let's talk facts!

We have no idea what Cutler would have done only what Hoyer did do and if you can find a single soul who knows a damn thing about football who thinks that any team who only scores two tds and 20 points total off of 500 total yards of offense against a poor defense is an offensive juggernaut led by a stud QB then you should be drinking with them.

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Quarterback Brian Hoyer gives Chicago Bears needed momentum Oct 10, 2016 2:34:52 GMT -6 riczaj01 and dachuckster like this

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Oct 10, 2016 1:43:35 GMT -6 @soulman said:

Oct 10, 2016 1:30:55 GMT -6 germansbombedph said:

Cutler would have thrown a pick or two while going to AJ in triple coverage. Not sure how that would have changed the outcome. We all know Hoyer is not our future, neither is Cutler. Yes, Hoyer should have thrown to Jeffery.
Just going by a tweet by hodge I've read... Cutler wouldn't have put up much more Points than Hoyer did. He wasn't able to do it last year, why should it be this year?

Your clairvoyance amazes me gbph. Let's deal with fact and not fiction OK. We actually have "real results" here to analyze so we don't have to fantasize like that. So analyze those OK not the imaginary ones especially when it was Hoyer who threw into triple coverage on that final play and ignored the guy who had single coverage and was open.

Did you see the game? I'm fed up to here with all these projections. Let's talk facts!

We have no idea what Cutler would have done only what Hoyer did do and if you can find a single soul who knows a damn thing about football who thinks that any team who only scores two tds and 20 points total off of 500 total yards of offense against a poor defense is an offensive juggernaut led by a stud QB then you should be drinking with them.

What I say is fiction and you claim Cutler is the better and post about how Cutler would have made the game winning TD pass. What is fact and what is fiction here? We all have seen this movie before and it wasn't pretty without a Bears happyend. Cutler would have forced passes throughout the whole game and ended with a pick. He may have made that TD pass, but it would have been a L either way. We would have been behind even more.

Fact of the matter:

We don't have a QB who can win a game for us and not one of the 3 on our roster is the Bears future.

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Oct 10, 2016 1:30:55 GMT -6 germansbombedph said:

Cutler would have thrown a pick or two while going to AJ in triple coverage. Not sure how that would have changed the outcome. We all know Hoyer is not our future, neither is Cutler. Yes, Hoyer should have thrown to Jeffery.
Just going by a tweet by hodge I've read... Cutler wouldn't have put up much more Points than Hoyer did. He wasn't able to do it last year, why should it be this year?

at least 1 pick, and likely fumbles the ball b/c of how bad the OL is; remember the OL is the reason he fumbles....not so much for Luck who was sacked 5 times and hit another 2 times, but for Cutler that is a reason to fumble and throw picks.

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Post by JABF on Oct 10, 2016 6:07:12 GMT -6

Oct 10, 2016 0:43:23 GMT -6 @soulman said:

Oct 9, 2016 19:19:59 GMT -6 JABF said:

The Cutler story line would have been the game-ending int or fumble that we've all grown to know and love. The answer isn't Jay or Hoyer. We need a better QB than either of them if we truly want to be a team that wins a Super Bowl here in Chicago. This season? Jay. Hoyer. It doesn't matter. It really doesn't.

No, it probably doesn't but if they're gonna go about it in the customary manner they might as well blow it up completely and revise even more of it including the coaching staff. We aren't gonna even get to a SB with Fox coaching either let alone win one so don't stop with Cutler. Toss every other loser or mediocre player or coach to the street too.

There are so many issue that are even more important than who starts at QB next week or next year is much lower on the list than others. So throwing Cutler out the door to solve those problems makes as much sense as putting a bandaid on a compound fracture. Yet that's what some Bears fans would cheer for and then complain again when that didn't heal what was broken.

We have simultaneously some of the brightest and most well informed and most ignorant fans on the entire planet. At least Bronco STFU about what they know nothing about.

We all are upset about the state of the team. And there's a lot of room for fans to disagree about how the team should be fixed. I doubt that any of us has the perfect solution. We are all just frustrated to the max. My own personal feeling is that I don't want to give up on the present GM or HC yet. Both have made some mistakes up to this point though. Regarding the QB situation, I really don't think it matters who we play this year - Jay or Hoyer - because I don't think either one is going to do that well and take us to the playoffs. Ultimately, I feel like we will need a better QB than either of them before we win a Super Bowl here. Fox is a different situation (to me anyway). He has taken 2 teams to the Super Bowl. I'm willing to give him some more time before deciding he can't win here in Chicago. I do know he can't win much with this present 2016 team. I honestly don't think any coach could. The talent level is just not where it ultimately needs to be.

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Quarterback Brian Hoyer gives Chicago Bears needed momentum Oct 10, 2016 6:19:09 GMT -6

Post by germansbombedph on Oct 10, 2016 6:19:09 GMT -6

Oct 10, 2016 6:07:12 GMT -6 JABF said:

Oct 10, 2016 0:43:23 GMT -6 @soulman said:

No, it probably doesn't but if they're gonna go about it in the customary manner they might as well blow it up completely and revise even more of it including the coaching staff. We aren't gonna even get to a SB with Fox coaching either let alone win one so don't stop with Cutler. Toss every other loser or mediocre player or coach to the street too.

There are so many issue that are even more important than who starts at QB next week or next year is much lower on the list than others. So throwing Cutler out the door to solve those problems makes as much sense as putting a bandaid on a compound fracture. Yet that's what some Bears fans would cheer for and then complain again when that didn't heal what was broken.

We have simultaneously some of the brightest and most well informed and most ignorant fans on the entire planet. At least Bronco STFU about what they know nothing about.

We all are upset about the state of the team. And there's a lot of room for fans to disagree about how the team should be fixed. I doubt than any of us has the perfect solution. We are all just frustrated to the max. My own personal feeling is that I don't want to give up on the present GM or HC yet. Both have made some mistakes up to this point though. Regarding the QB situation, I really don't think it matters who we play this year - Jay or Hoyer - because I don't think either one is going to do that well and take us to the playoffs. Ultimately, I feel like we will need a better QB than either of them before we win a Super Bowl here. Fox is a different situation (to me anyway). He has taken 2 teams to the Super Bowl. I'm willing to give him some more time before deciding he can't win here in Chicago. I do know he can't win much with this present 2016 team. I honestly don't think any coach could. The talent level is just not where it ultimately needs to be.

I think my idea works best about how to fix this Team.

1. Get the highest pick you can for Cutler (for the love of god I have his Jersey and he is one of my favorite Players, it's just best for the Bears).

2. Fire Fox and Loggains and the medical staff after the season is over and pay Fangio as a HC to stay DC.

3. Hire a HC that is offensiv minded and maybe even has experience already like (just to drop some Names) Daley or McDaniels. Not be smarter than anybody.

4. Spend Money in Free Agency to the best Player that is 28 or under & get the best Vet QB that could Play for some games if needed.

5. Draft your fucking QB and Pass Rush and OT with the first 3 Picks in the Draft

That would solve a lot of issues with this Team even if only 3 of the 5 work out.

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Quarterback Brian Hoyer gives Chicago Bears needed momentum Oct 10, 2016 7:13:06 GMT -6 JABF likes this

Post by riczaj01 on Oct 10, 2016 7:13:06 GMT -6

I agree w/1, 4 and 5.

I don't think it's time to fire Fox and his staff yet, that's what the Browns do and it never works; I would also not ask a HC to come in and not choose his staff, that doesn't tend to work well either.

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Quarterback Brian Hoyer gives Chicago Bears needed momentum Oct 10, 2016 7:44:21 GMT -6 riczaj01 likes this

Post by JABF on Oct 10, 2016 7:44:21 GMT -6

Oct 10, 2016 7:13:06 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

I agree w/1, 4 and 5.

I don't think it's time to fire Fox and his staff yet, that's what the Browns do and it never works; I would also not ask a HC to come in and not choose his staff, that doesn't tend to work well either.

+1,000 to that ^^^^^
It's a killer to continually cycle through GMs and HCs. We've had 6 GM/HCs (three of each) in 5 years. Not good. Not good at all.

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Quarterback Brian Hoyer gives Chicago Bears needed momentum Oct 10, 2016 10:04:47 GMT -6

Post by JABF on Oct 10, 2016 10:04:47 GMT -6

Oct 10, 2016 9:06:03 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Yep, cannot cycle through so quickly, it puts your team constantly at a starting point where you have to dump players and redraft based on different wants/needs of systems.

Exactly. Inevitably not all of the existing players fit the new guy's scheme. This is in addition to draft upgrades we already desperately need. So, you never really catch-up. Fans will be screaming for the new guys to be fired like now - 5 games into the 2nd season. You can't win that way.

But fans are impatient to the max and think the way to a quick fix is to fire people. Good luck with THAT one.

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