Post by GrizzlyBear on Sept 17, 2017 16:59:17 GMT -6
Let me start off my rant by saying I'm not a Glennon-hater.
With that being said I never understood why Pace would go after an unproven guy and give him a big contract. I know it's basically just a one-year deal, but still. After the 3-13 trainwreck last season I was hoping we would keep Jay for one final year (doing a pretty good job in MIA so far) and draft his replacement and let the rookie start as soon as Cutty fucked up.
Pace decided to let him go and give the starting job to the ginger giraffe instead. Don't you guys realize we could've had the same production and numbers from Hoyer, only cheaper??
Back then I believed Trubsiky should stay on the bench the entire year and learn, just like AR did in Green Bay. I also believed that Glennon would turn out to be okay. But now we all have to admit that Glennon has always been and always will be a backup QB. He shouldn't be a starter on any team.
So what's next? Take a deep breath, lick your wounds, admit you made a mistake and give the starting job to Mitch. Period.
Is it too early to give him the job? Maybe. Is he ready to be a starter in the NFL? Maybe, maybe not.
But here's what I know. We're not going anywhere this season and there's no better training than regular season games. Yes, AR spent several years on the bench and turned out great. But guess what, there are plenty of rookie QBs that had to start right ahead and didn't do a terrible job either. Wentz, Goff, Dak, Winston, Mariota just to name a few. Just because GB got lucky doesn't mean every other team has to copy them. If you have a rookie QB with potential sitting on the bench and you're current starting QB plays like shit, you start him.
@coach Fox: take a pill, stop talking nonsense, swallow your pride and start Mitch next week!
Let me start off my rant by saying I'm not a Glennon-hater.
With that being said I never understood why Pace would go after an unproven guy and give him a big contract. I know it's basically just a one-year deal, but still. After the 3-13 trainwreck last season I was hoping we would keep Jay for one final year (doing a pretty good job in MIA so far) and draft his replacement and let the rookie start as soon as Cutty ****ed up.
Pace decided to let him go and give the starting job to the ginger giraffe instead. Don't you guys realize we could've had the same production and numbers from Hoyer, only cheaper??
Back then I believed Trubsiky should stay on the bench the entire year and learn, just like AR did in Green Bay. I also believed that Glennon would turn out to be okay. But now we all have to admit that Glennon has always been and always will be a backup QB. He shouldn't be a starter on any team.
So what's next? Take a deep breath, lick your wounds, admit you made a mistake and give the starting job to Mitch. Period.
Is it too early to give him the job? Maybe. Is he ready to be a starter in the NFL? Maybe, maybe not.
But here's what I know. We're not going anywhere this season and there's no better training than regular season games. Yes, AR spent several years on the bench and turned out great. But guess what, there are plenty of rookie QBs that had to start right ahead and didn't do a terrible job either. Wentz, Goff, Dak, Winston, Mariota just to name a few. Just because GB got lucky doesn't mean every other team has to copy them. If you have a rookie QB with potential sitting on the bench and you're current starting QB plays like shit, you start him.
@coach Fox: take a pill, stop talking nonsense, swallow your pride and start Mitch next week!
/rant
Let's not forget Rodgers only sat thanks to them having an Hall of Fame QB. We don't have that.
Let me start off my rant by saying I'm not a Glennon-hater.
With that being said I never understood why Pace would go after an unproven guy and give him a big contract. I know it's basically just a one-year deal, but still. After the 3-13 trainwreck last season I was hoping we would keep Jay for one final year (doing a pretty good job in MIA so far) and draft his replacement and let the rookie start as soon as Cutty ****ed up.
Pace decided to let him go and give the starting job to the ginger giraffe instead. Don't you guys realize we could've had the same production and numbers from Hoyer, only cheaper??
Back then I believed Trubsiky should stay on the bench the entire year and learn, just like AR did in Green Bay. I also believed that Glennon would turn out to be okay. But now we all have to admit that Glennon has always been and always will be a backup QB. He shouldn't be a starter on any team.
So what's next? Take a deep breath, lick your wounds, admit you made a mistake and give the starting job to Mitch. Period.
Is it too early to give him the job? Maybe. Is he ready to be a starter in the NFL? Maybe, maybe not.
But here's what I know. We're not going anywhere this season and there's no better training than regular season games. Yes, AR spent several years on the bench and turned out great. But guess what, there are plenty of rookie QBs that had to start right ahead and didn't do a terrible job either. Wentz, Goff, Dak, Winston, Mariota just to name a few. Just because GB got lucky doesn't mean every other team has to copy them. If you have a rookie QB with potential sitting on the bench and you're current starting QB plays like shit, you start him.
@coach Fox: take a pill, stop talking nonsense, swallow your pride and start Mitch next week!
/rant
Let's not forget Rodgers only sat thanks to them having an Hall of Fame QB. We don't have that.
Exactly. This stupid shit that a rookie has to "sit for a year or two to be good" is archaic and a complete myth.
Unless trying to be more competitive while giving your supposed QB of the future reps in a season that's gonna be wasted on even more in depth roster evaluation is con all I see is the pro.
He's gonna play sooner or later so why treat him like a china doll who might break when we never worried about that with a QB before? He's got a better OL to protect him than most Cutler ever played behind.
Trubisky is gonna make mistakes and learn not to repeat them and I'd rather he do it when they matter less because a year from now if this team isn't winning they will be losing a whole lot of fan support.
If Glennon was even close to showing he could win games without the margin of error being so slim that any mistake at all pretty much makes it a loss then I might feel different but Glennon will not improve beyond what he is. That's very clear. Trubisky can and I think he will once given the chance because he has stood up to that challenge before in college.
Let's face it. A kid whose started just 13 college games who goes on to become the 2nd overall pick in the draft either has some tools AND some intangibles or we continue to be the very worst team in the NFL at drafting QBs. This time I think we may actually have gotten it right if only based on what little we saw in the preseason.
I keep reading this "is he ready shit". Define that. What exactly is "ready" in some kid of quantifiable terms. Is he gonna know the entire offense? No Cutler says it takes three offseasons to install and learn all of a new offense. So....that means Glennon also doesn't have the entire offense mastered either.
If that's the case, and his vet experience seems to be doing him no good at all so far, then it purely a matter of whose better. Who has better talent and can give the team a better chance of winning. Is there any doubt about who that is? As I posted in a response to Alex I have yet to see any other Bear HC so set on handing out starting roles to those who haven't earned them and I don't just mean Glennon. Fox has been doing it with others as well ever since he arrived.
I'm not sure what his thinking is but is sure seems fucked up to me and to many others as well because it sure as hell is studied and written about often. But I digress. Fox has no rational reason not to play Trubisky but I'm sure he'll invent some irrational ones like he usually does and if I'm not mistaken he did just that today in his presser. Not surprised at all by that.
So if the question is when my answer is now or as soon as practical but in reality I really don't care that much because every mistake Fox makes is just one more nail in his coffin and I want him buried even sooner than I want to see Trubisky start.
Unless trying to be more competitive while giving your supposed QB of the future reps in a season that's gonna be wasted on even more in depth roster evaluation is con all I see is the pro.
He's gonna play sooner or later so why treat him like a china doll who might break when we never worried about that with a QB before? He's got a better OL to protect him than most Cutler ever played behind.
Trubisky is gonna make mistakes and learn not to repeat them and I'd rather he do it when they matter less because a year from now if this team isn't winning they will be losing a whole lot of fan support.
If Glennon was even close to showing he could win games without the margin of error being so slim that any mistake at all pretty much makes it a loss then I might feel different but Glennon will not improve beyond what he is. That's very clear. Trubisky can and I think he will once given the chance because he has stood up to that challenge before in college.
Let's face it. A kid whose started just 13 college games who goes on to become the 2nd overall pick in the draft either has some tools AND some intangibles or we continue to be the very worst team in the NFL at drafting QBs. This time I think we may actually have gotten it right if only based on what little we saw in the preseason.
I keep reading this "is he ready shit". Define that. What exactly is "ready" in some kid of quantifiable terms. Is he gonna know the entire offense? No Cutler says it takes three offseasons to install and learn all of a new offense. So....that means Glennon also doesn't have the entire offense mastered either.
If that's the case, and his vet experience seems to be doing him no good at all so far, then it purely a matter of whose better. Who has better talent and can give the team a better chance of winning. Is there any doubt about who that is? As I posted in a response to Alex I have yet to see any other Bear HC so set on handing out starting roles to those who haven't earned them and I don't just mean Glennon. Fox has been doing it with others as well ever since he arrived.
I'm not sure what his thinking is but is sure seems ****ed up to me and to many others as well because it sure as hell is studied and written about often. But I digress. Fox has no rational reason not to play Trubisky but I'm sure he'll invent some irrational ones like he usually does and if I'm not mistaken he did just that today in his presser. Not surprised at all by that.
So if the question is when my answer is now or as soon as practical but in reality I really don't care that much because every mistake Fox makes is just one more nail in his coffin and I want him buried even sooner than I want to see Trubisky start.
I have no idea why Fox is so protective with some of the guys... I mean, bottom line is, I feel like hes protecting Pace more than himself, because hes definitely doing himself no favors with these 'Langfords' and 'Glennons'
Unless trying to be more competitive while giving your supposed QB of the future reps in a season that's gonna be wasted on even more in depth roster evaluation is con all I see is the pro.
He's gonna play sooner or later so why treat him like a china doll who might break when we never worried about that with a QB before? He's got a better OL to protect him than most Cutler ever played behind.
Trubisky is gonna make mistakes and learn not to repeat them and I'd rather he do it when they matter less because a year from now if this team isn't winning they will be losing a whole lot of fan support.
If Glennon was even close to showing he could win games without the margin of error being so slim that any mistake at all pretty much makes it a loss then I might feel different but Glennon will not improve beyond what he is. That's very clear. Trubisky can and I think he will once given the chance because he has stood up to that challenge before in college.
Let's face it. A kid whose started just 13 college games who goes on to become the 2nd overall pick in the draft either has some tools AND some intangibles or we continue to be the very worst team in the NFL at drafting QBs. This time I think we may actually have gotten it right if only based on what little we saw in the preseason.
I keep reading this "is he ready shit". Define that. What exactly is "ready" in some kid of quantifiable terms. Is he gonna know the entire offense? No Cutler says it takes three offseasons to install and learn all of a new offense. So....that means Glennon also doesn't have the entire offense mastered either.
If that's the case, and his vet experience seems to be doing him no good at all so far, then it purely a matter of whose better. Who has better talent and can give the team a better chance of winning. Is there any doubt about who that is? As I posted in a response to Alex I have yet to see any other Bear HC so set on handing out starting roles to those who haven't earned them and I don't just mean Glennon. Fox has been doing it with others as well ever since he arrived.
I'm not sure what his thinking is but is sure seems ****ed up to me and to many others as well because it sure as hell is studied and written about often. But I digress. Fox has no rational reason not to play Trubisky but I'm sure he'll invent some irrational ones like he usually does and if I'm not mistaken he did just that today in his presser. Not surprised at all by that.
So if the question is when my answer is now or as soon as practical but in reality I really don't care that much because every mistake Fox makes is just one more nail in his coffin and I want him buried even sooner than I want to see Trubisky start.
I believe that every QB learns and develops from one location under center. You can practice and train all you want, but in the game is the best place to develop. People do not want to ruin him by playing him to soon. They cite failed QB after QB. I think these guy would have failed no matter if they started or sat. If the guy needs to learn a few things, cool. He is not grasping the playbook, got it. If he needs to learn the fundamentals of football, don't draft him in the 1st round. We have 2 more games of the Glennon project at a minimum. I think Glennon's flaws are permanent and not something he can grow out of.
Unless trying to be more competitive while giving your supposed QB of the future reps in a season that's gonna be wasted on even more in depth roster evaluation is con all I see is the pro.
He's gonna play sooner or later so why treat him like a china doll who might break when we never worried about that with a QB before? He's got a better OL to protect him than most Cutler ever played behind.
Trubisky is gonna make mistakes and learn not to repeat them and I'd rather he do it when they matter less because a year from now if this team isn't winning they will be losing a whole lot of fan support.
If Glennon was even close to showing he could win games without the margin of error being so slim that any mistake at all pretty much makes it a loss then I might feel different but Glennon will not improve beyond what he is. That's very clear. Trubisky can and I think he will once given the chance because he has stood up to that challenge before in college.
Let's face it. A kid whose started just 13 college games who goes on to become the 2nd overall pick in the draft either has some tools AND some intangibles or we continue to be the very worst team in the NFL at drafting QBs. This time I think we may actually have gotten it right if only based on what little we saw in the preseason.
I keep reading this "is he ready shit". Define that. What exactly is "ready" in some kid of quantifiable terms. Is he gonna know the entire offense? No Cutler says it takes three offseasons to install and learn all of a new offense. So....that means Glennon also doesn't have the entire offense mastered either.
If that's the case, and his vet experience seems to be doing him no good at all so far, then it purely a matter of whose better. Who has better talent and can give the team a better chance of winning. Is there any doubt about who that is? As I posted in a response to Alex I have yet to see any other Bear HC so set on handing out starting roles to those who haven't earned them and I don't just mean Glennon. Fox has been doing it with others as well ever since he arrived.
I'm not sure what his thinking is but is sure seems ****ed up to me and to many others as well because it sure as hell is studied and written about often. But I digress. Fox has no rational reason not to play Trubisky but I'm sure he'll invent some irrational ones like he usually does and if I'm not mistaken he did just that today in his presser. Not surprised at all by that.
So if the question is when my answer is now or as soon as practical but in reality I really don't care that much because every mistake Fox makes is just one more nail in his coffin and I want him buried even sooner than I want to see Trubisky start.
I have no idea why Fox is so protective with some of the guys... I mean, bottom line is, I feel like hes protecting Pace more than himself, because hes definitely doing himself no favors with these 'Langfords' and 'Glennons'
The list goes on an and on. Yeah Alex, it was Langford over Howard and White over Meredith to start last season. Howard has an OROY type year while Langford can't even make the team this year and Balt. just cut him as well and they need RB. It was also White over Meredith last year and even this year White showed no improvement over his past skill level.
So far the year we've seen Glennon over Trubisky and Unrein over Bullard. In this case we're talking about two young guys who are the future or at least we hope they are playing behind two less talented player and who need consistent reps in order to grow into the roles. If Fox can use that "needs to play to get better" rationale with White then why does he deny it with others?
I guess what I'm saying is there seems to be no rational thought behind who Fox plays and why and when he's challenged about it by the media he can't or won't explain his thinking but instead he gets defensive and clams up. How are we as fans supposed to trust a guy like this as HC? Furthermore how does Ryan Pace trust him? I know I sure as hell don't.
Unless trying to be more competitive while giving your supposed QB of the future reps in a season that's gonna be wasted on even more in depth roster evaluation is con all I see is the pro.
He's gonna play sooner or later so why treat him like a china doll who might break when we never worried about that with a QB before? He's got a better OL to protect him than most Cutler ever played behind.
Trubisky is gonna make mistakes and learn not to repeat them and I'd rather he do it when they matter less because a year from now if this team isn't winning they will be losing a whole lot of fan support.
If Glennon was even close to showing he could win games without the margin of error being so slim that any mistake at all pretty much makes it a loss then I might feel different but Glennon will not improve beyond what he is. That's very clear. Trubisky can and I think he will once given the chance because he has stood up to that challenge before in college.
Let's face it. A kid whose started just 13 college games who goes on to become the 2nd overall pick in the draft either has some tools AND some intangibles or we continue to be the very worst team in the NFL at drafting QBs. This time I think we may actually have gotten it right if only based on what little we saw in the preseason.
I keep reading this "is he ready shit". Define that. What exactly is "ready" in some kid of quantifiable terms. Is he gonna know the entire offense? No Cutler says it takes three offseasons to install and learn all of a new offense. So....that means Glennon also doesn't have the entire offense mastered either.
If that's the case, and his vet experience seems to be doing him no good at all so far, then it purely a matter of whose better. Who has better talent and can give the team a better chance of winning. Is there any doubt about who that is? As I posted in a response to Alex I have yet to see any other Bear HC so set on handing out starting roles to those who haven't earned them and I don't just mean Glennon. Fox has been doing it with others as well ever since he arrived.
I'm not sure what his thinking is but is sure seems ****ed up to me and to many others as well because it sure as hell is studied and written about often. But I digress. Fox has no rational reason not to play Trubisky but I'm sure he'll invent some irrational ones like he usually does and if I'm not mistaken he did just that today in his presser. Not surprised at all by that.
So if the question is when my answer is now or as soon as practical but in reality I really don't care that much because every mistake Fox makes is just one more nail in his coffin and I want him buried even sooner than I want to see Trubisky start.
I believe that every QB learns and develops from one location under center. You can practice and train all you want, but in the game is the best place to develop. People do not want to ruin him by playing him to soon. They cite failed QB after QB. I think these guy would have failed no matter if they started or sat. If the guy needs to learn a few things, cool. He is not grasping the playbook, got it. If he needs to learn the fundamentals of football, don't draft him in the 1st round. We have 2 more games of the Glennon project at a minimum. I think Glennon's flaws are permanent and not something he can grow out of.
With very few exception Mike I believe this to be 100% true as well and for nearly every one who failed we can find one who didn't like Blake Bortles (fail) vs Ryan Tannehill (success). Prescott started and succeeded. Wentz did too at least to a degree and if Trubisky did no better we'd still be a leg up on starting Glennon. Goff sat but did it help? So far no. Mariotta and Winston have succeeded and Carr probably should have started as a rookie. Watson is starting now.
Quite a few of the guys who have failed did so because they got drafted by shitty teams. Was all of Jay Cutler's failures to win big here on him or is at least a major portion of is because he played on some shitty teams under two of the worst HCs and some of the worst OCs we've ever had? I'd submit that there as many or more cases of a team having failed it's QB than vice versa but that's definitely not the case here so far. Mike Glennon is not a competent starter for this team.
Glennon is gonna be a career backup because he simply doesn't have a starters skills or mentality. He's a "plodder" in every sense of the word that could describe him and his playing style. He's like watching a guy playing at 80% speed while everything around him is going full tilt. If Pace's reason for signing him and paying him big buck was part of disguising his true intent to draft Trubisky well then mission accomplished. So now just cut Glennon his checks and let him be the clip board holder.
I tend to agree that we won't see Trubisky against Pitt and with a short week thereafter against GB either. That being the case let him run the scout team the next few weeks to get reps in and try starting Sanchez. It could hardly be worse than yesterday and it may at least be more humorous. Yesterday I tuned in just in time to see the pick six. Then after seeing the replays of Glennon's first pick, his fumble AND Cohen's boneheaded muff I turned it off. That what is for me.
So Fox and Pace can do whatever they choose. If Pace hadn't drafted Trubisky I doubt I'd have even cared enough to follow the Bears this season period. Not with Fox still coaching. And the only reason I and probably several million more Bears fans still have an interest by now is because of Trubisky and wanting to see if he's got some magic in him. Pace needs to know that just as much as the fans do but none of will know unless he plays. So just do it already......damn.