I'm not sure what pass rush productivity means but it sounds like a good thing and two Chicago bears (and one former bear) were top 5 in the last 5 weeks of last season.
Not to mention an ex Bear by the name of Shea that our coaches could not seem to get any pass rush productivity out of (whatever that is)
It sounds good until you see Shea up there at 5, and then the entire poll goes out the window. He had 1 sack in the last 5 games w/0 stuffs.
Actually Over the last 5 weeks of the year, Mercilus, Floyd and McPhee showed up as a top sack leader in any of the 5 weeks per NFL.com, Mack and Shea never showed up(normally gave the top 10 sack leaders of any given week). www.nfl.com/stats/weeklyleaders?week=13&season=2016
Per usual it appears PFF over valued their "pressure stat". Again let me restate them, my issues w/PFF is purely w/their Line(really and rush) grades b/c of the "pressure stat" taht they seem to over value. Pass rushing first and foremost should be about sacks, then about how regularly they come(multiple weeks not just 1 big game) and then hits as they might create some physcial/mental weariness of the qb. So lets put weights to the #'s. Sacks 3 points, multiple weeks 1 point, hits 1 point*before you start, if PFF can randomly make up point values and be taken seriously, I don't see why I can't, at least I'm being upfront w/my value's:
Name Sacks QB Hits streak Points Calais Campbell 4.5 6 3 22.5 Markus Golden 4.5 5 2 20.5 David Irving 3 8 2 19 Danielle Hunter 3.5 5 2 17.5 Joey Bosa 3 5 2 16 Chandler Jones 3 4 2 15 Vic Beasley 4 3 15 Robert Ayers 2 6 2 14 Lorenzo Alexander 2.5 4 2 13.5
Here are how the 3 that showed up on the list ranked in comparisson Pernell McPhee 2 2 8 Whitney Mercilus 2 2 8 Leonard Floyd 2 1 7
They were 1/2 the points or less of the top 5 there is just no feesable way they could have ended the season(last 5 weeks) as some of the top pass rushers. Even if you go just a straight up point for each stat they still aren't top 10, let alone 5; take out the streak stat, still not top 5 or 10.
Mack/Shea didn't show up on the sacks leader chart 1 time so their values were 0. If they couldn't hit the top 10, then sorry don't care how many "hits" you got you don't deserve to be ranked at or near the top.
I'm not sure what pass rush productivity means but it sounds like a good thing and two Chicago bears (and one former bear) were top 5 in the last 5 weeks of last season.
Not to mention an ex Bear by the name of Shea that our coaches could not seem to get any pass rush productivity out of (whatever that is)
Well Per PFF, he was the best Bear in Pass Rushing his rookie year; it just goes to show how invalid they are when it comes to rating pass rushers.
i think pressures have value in forcing QBs to make decisions faster than they would like. However, I don't know how you measure them. Rogers isn't going to be bothered by pressure like Goff would be. Brees simply steps up while Kap takes off running.
Post by paytonisgod on Jun 4, 2017 19:46:13 GMT -6
That stat is for 5 games. That is not enough to get a good sample size. While I certainly hope that continues for our guys almost anyone can put together a series of 5 good games at their position. Give me a full season at least before we start patting people on the back.
i think pressures have value in forcing QBs to make decisions faster than they would like. However, I don't know how you measure them. Rogers isn't going to be bothered by pressure like Goff would be. Brees simply steps up while Kap takes off running.
I like the idea, just not the execution.
The problem w/the pressures stat is that it's not well applied. Unless they've changed how it's done it's anytime a qb steps up to avoid a sack. Well, Brees for instance, that's how the entire O is based. OT's are told to push the LB's outside and behind the QB to give a clean pocket to step into; in that instance really pressures should mostly come from the interior DL and ILB's, not the DE's and OLB's. The entire O is set up to create what appears to be a pressure when one doesn't actually exist from the outside.
The problem is a pressure b/c of the above reason is going to be very subjective. And as you point out, w/some qb's it won't even bother them, while others the pressure gets to them greatly. It's a good theory that cannot be applied accurately in the real world w/out more information about what the OL is supposed to do, and how the QB is supposed to react. The team could likely count pressures given up on their qb, and maybe the def team, but no one outside of the teams could.