I doubt we get that much from him, but one can hope. The concern is just that if Glennon somehow turns out to a franchise QB, (helluva long shot I know) then WHY would we start Mitch? If Glennon goes to the probowl this season based on a good perforamnce, why start with an unknown guy in the 2018 season? :/ Anyway a lot can happen but it was one of the thoughts I had. Glennon probably will only be a starter next season and then a backup.
When Glennon is no longer the starter we will either trade or cut him. No way we pay $15M a year for a back-up. Hope he does well and we get them picks back we used to get Trubisky
And then some... If he has a solid season, even better two, we could even get a 1st or two 2nd considering his age and friendly contract for a year or two. Of course, just a dream for now
Well for those with the belief that Fox is running things it's being reported Pace and the head scout decided on Trubisky a month and half ago and told nobody, and they didn't tell Fox they were gonna draft him till 1.5 hours before the draft. I guess we have our answer on who's running things eh?
+1 I always felt that was the case. Think about it. How dumb would it be for Pace to jeopardize a once-in-a-lifetime GM opportunity just to make John Fox happy? If Pace craps the bed as the Bears GM, he won't get another GM opportunity in his lifetime. He will be like Jerry Angelo and Phil Emery. Done.
Ryan Pace doesn't strike me as a stupid man. There is no way he would blow this GM opportunity letting John Fox do his thinking for him. In fact, if Fox doesn't significantly improve this season he will be fired - not Pace.
I never bought into the crazy conspiracy theories about Pace being the puppet-man.
Well for those with the belief that Fox is running things it's being reported Pace and the head scout decided on Trubisky a month and half ago and told nobody, and they didn't tell Fox they were gonna draft him till 1.5 hours before the draft. I guess we have our answer on who's running things eh?
Saw that too. Blows out of the water the allegation that Pace was gonna pick whoever Fox wanted to save Fox's job too.
Lot of tinfoil hat material out there for people who just wanna hate on Pace.
I think the last response to what he'd say to fans was the most important part of the clip: the QB is the most important player [in the NFL] (not sure I agree that he's the most important player in all of sports as a badass NBA player has a lot more impact than a good QB, but I digress). You don't get the opportunity to pick a potential stud QB often - or at least you hope not often. It's not like GMs and HCs are heading into the season saying "hey I think our team sucks enough to get us a good QB next year." THey believe in their process and if an organization is going to be great, I agree with Pace, we need a good starting quarterback. Draft it until you have one. Other things matter in the meantime but not nearly as much as the QB does.
THe Mitch pick was BY FRICKING FAR my favorite pick in the Bears 2017 draft. THe rest of it was a little deflating: that is, I can rationalize why it might be good but it doesn't scream success.
I think the last response to what he'd say to fans was the most important part of the clip: the QB is the most important player [in the NFL] (not sure I agree that he's the most important player in all of sports as a badass NBA player has a lot more impact than a good QB, but I digress). You don't get the opportunity to pick a potential stud QB often - or at least you hope not often. It's not like GMs and HCs are heading into the season saying "hey I think our team sucks enough to get us a good QB next year." THey believe in their process and if an organization is going to be great, I agree with Pace, we need a good starting quarterback. Draft it until you have one. Other things matter in the meantime but not nearly as much as the QB does.
THe Mitch pick was BY FRICKING FAR my favorite pick in the Bears 2017 draft. THe rest of it was a little deflating: that is, I can rationalize why it might be good but it doesn't scream success.
The only picks I really like art Mitch the Itch, Shaheen and Jackson. But they only had 5 picks, so 3 out of 5 is fine w/me.
Wait you mean that every NFL GM doesn't get their BPA list from the Kiper's and McShay's?
No. But the Emery era wasn't too long ago. And in that era, he always had his own BPA. Going against the grain is good on occasion, going against the grain on most picks isn't. Still, in doing some reflecting on this draft and who was / wasn't a reach here are my thoughts:
I think the Mitchell move was solid. Pace did what he believed he had to do to get Trubisky. Fine. Mitchell was going in the first round and he's a QB. That's not a reach.
Adam was the last good TE before a fall off. After Gerald went early in the 2nd, the Bears felt like they needed to secure the position. I think it was a bit of a reach but nothing extreme. Adam was going to get selected in round 2. Pace liked him, not an extreme reach. Makes sense.
Eddie Jackson went about where people projected him, 4th round. It was surprising to me that he went before but as others pointed out it was a scheme fit. It's also surprising that he jumped up in the draft to get him (sacrificing our 6th rounder) but whoop dee do. Chances of getting a stud in the 6th are about as good as getting a stud as an UDFA.
The OG seems like a fine selection value wise. JORDAN MORGAN was a 4-5th round graded player, we got him in the 5th. He's not a steal but he's a logical choice.
TARIK COHEN is the only "reach" of the meager 5 picks we had. He was graded as a 5-6th round selection and we took him in the 4th. Still, it's a low risk reach.
All in all the draft makes sense. I felt like I was watching Emery drafting this weekend but when I took a look following the draft it seems to fit.
Wait you mean that every NFL GM doesn't get their BPA list from the Kiper's and McShay's?
No. But the Emery era wasn't too long ago. And in that era, he always had his own BPA Going against the grain is good on occasion, going against the grain on every most picks is. Still, in doing some refelcting on this draft and who was / wasn't a reach here are my thoughts:
I think the Mitch move was solid. Pace did what he believed he had to do to get Trubisky. Fine. Mitch was going in the first round and he's a QB. That's not a reach.
Adam was the last good TE before a fall off. After Gerald went early in the 2nd, the Bears felt like they needed to secure the position. I think it was a bit of a reach but nothing extreme. Adam was going to get selected in round 2. Pace liked him, not an extreme reach. Makes sense.
Eddie Jackson went about where people projected him, 4th round. It was surprising to me that he went before but as others pointed out it was a scheme fit. It's also surprising that he jumped up in the draft to get him (sacrificing our 6th rounder) but whoop dee do. Chances of getting a stud in the 6th are about as good as getting a stud as an UDFA.
The OG seems like a fine selection value wise. JORDAN MORGAN was a 4-5th round graded player, we got him in the 5th. He's not a steal but he's a logical choice.
TARIK COHEN is the only "reach" of the meager 5 picks we had. He was graded as a 5-6th round selection and we took him in the 4th. Still, it's a low risk reach.
All in all the draft makes sense. I felt like I was watching Emery drafting this weekend but when I took a look following the draft it seems to fit.
Listen i get the idea that no one wants their GM to be the smartest guy in the room. JA and Emery both had that, but got that reputation after multiple years doing it.
I agree the RB is the one I question, but lets take a look b/c i'm curious Here are the RB's drafted, their height/weight and round taken(and pick w/in that round) and their nfl.com profile grade: Fournette, 6'0" 240 1 (4) 6.8 McCaffrey,5'11" 202 1 (8) 6 Cook, 5'10" 210 2 (41) 6.2 Mixon, 6'1" 226 2 (48) 6 Conner, 6'1" 233 3 (105) 5.4 Kamara, 5'10" 214 3 (67) 5.9 Hunt, 5'10" 216 3 (86) 5.5 Foreman, 6'0" 233 3 (89) 5.7 Perine, 5'11" 233 4 (114) 5.6 Cohen, 5'6" 179 4 (119) 5.4 Williams, 5'11" 210 4 (121) 5.4 Pumphrey, 5'8" 176 4 (132) 5.3 Williams, 6'0" 212 4 (134) 5.3 Gallman, 6'0" 215 4 (140) 5.4 Mack, 5'11" 213 4 (143) 5.5 Hill, 6'1" 219 (156) 5.4 McNichols, 5'9" 214 5 (162) 5.6 Logan, 5'9" 196 5 (179) 5.3 Jones, 5'9" 208 5 (182) 5 McGuire, 5'10" 214 6 (188) 5 Armah, 6'2" 253 6 (192) 5 Henderson, 5'7" 208 6 (203) 5.3 Rogers, 5'10" 231 6 (206) 5.1 Wilson, 5'11" 200 6 (207) 5.3
All the the highlighted ones were picked when someone else was rated higher then them. Bold when they were graded by at least .5 less, italisied if .3 or more(might be slightly more significant), Underlined is Cohen.
His grade doesn't really stand out as anything out of the normal. What does, and this really bothers me, his height is way out of range. This guy is 5'6" and 179. Ya Sproles was only 5'6" also, but he was at least 187, almost 10lbs heavier, and at least played against legit college copetition. This really does scream of a Garrett Wolfe type pick; except Wolfe was drafted in the 3rd round w/a top 100 pick. I get they wanted an explosive guy out of the backfield, and he doesn't grade out poorly, but I don't know that I like it as much now that I really lookat it.
Post by xaosgorilla on Apr 30, 2017 11:38:28 GMT -6
Reading up on nfl.com both jackson and cohen are noted as having potential as a return man. That may or may not have been a factor. Another possibility regarding cohen is that pace might be looking for a complimentary RB.
Reading up on nfl.com both jackson and cohen are noted as having potential as a return man. That may or may not have been a factor. Another possibility regarding cohen is that pace might be looking for a complimentary RB.
I think both were brought in as ST'rs first and foremost, I think Pace stated he felt returners were need; and both these guys could be part of a rotation.