I listened to Pace's presser and there were times I felt he was being very defensive about this move and I believe it was correct for the media to hold his feet to the fire over it. Just a day or two ago Pace again emphasized that he would again use his BPA to draft and then he didn't. A week or so ago he provided his criteria for drafting a young QB high in the draft and once again he violated all of that by taking Trubisky.
When you make a move like this after you've practically said you would not it's gonna raise some criticism but it's nothing compared to what will happen if Trubisky fails to earn a starting job and succeed or is still sitting on the bench two or three years from now. This was a career defining decision so he'd better hope he made the correct one. As unpopular as this trade was among fans they will not be at all forgiving unless Trubisky does become that franchise guy.
How can a move be more BPA than this?! Of course not ESPN's, Mayock's, yours or mine BPA. Clearly Pace was talking about his BPA.
Post by brasilbear on Apr 28, 2017 10:01:23 GMT -6
The funny thing is that you could complain about any draft pick any year and you would be right more than you were wrong. Some people just like to complain. Want to actually impress someone? Make predictions and then own up to them when they don't happen. If Mitch pans out no one here will ever step forward and claim they were against the pick.
You're starting to see that now with Floyd. Posters complained and complained and now..silence.
Looming suitors for Mitch Trubisky sparked right action by Bears
On May 8, 2014, the Bears held firm. They waited. And waited. And … waited.
And it almost worked.
Pittsburgh defensive tackle Aaron Donald nearly fell to the Bears in the first round of that year’s draft. He was the player they loved. He was their target.
But heartbreak was in order. The Bears watched the Rams select Donald with the 13th overall selection — just one pick before they were up for the first time in the draft.
According to three sources familiar with the situation, panic took over the Bears’ draft room at the time. They were so close to Donald and were now on the clock. The Rams were thought to be loaded on the defensive line. The Bears thought they had Donald.
With Donald now off the board, the Bears selected cornerback Kyle Fuller out of Virginia Tech at No. 14.
It looked like a great selection at first. Fuller had three interceptions in his first three games. But now he’s more bust than boom. His inconsistent play and mental mistakes stood out in 2015 Fuller was even benched at one point as he struggled to win over defensive coordinator Vic Fangio.
To make matters worse, Fuller missed all of the 2016 season after routine arthroscopic knee surgery in the preseason.
Donald, meanwhile, is a young superstar. He was the defensive rookie of the year in 2014. He has been voted to three Pro Bowls in three seasons and also was named first-team All-Pro in the past two.
General manager Ryan Pace might not be familiar with that story but it’s an important one to consider when looking at his bold decision to trade up and select North Carolina quarterback Mitch Trubisky on Thursday.
In this case, the risk and the reward make sense. The reward is a possible franchise quarterback. The risk was losing out on a player that you wanted.
Conversations with several league sources overnight revealed that there were a handful of teams who aggressively attempted to try to move up in the draft, namely the Browns, Chiefs, Cardinals and Texans. The Browns and Chiefs, per those sources, were thought to be very high on Trubisky.
It’s unknown whether any teams were close to beating out the Bears for the 49ers’ second overall pick. But their interest alone was worth action. Pace wanted Trubisky and made sure to get him.
In some ways, it was similar to last year when the Bears leapfrogged the Giants by trading up to select outside linebacker Leonard Floyd. Pace wanted Floyd and made sure to get him.
It’s best not to have regrets, especially if you feel that strongly about a player.
In the end, the Chiefs and Texans did move up in the draft to get their quarterbacks, and because of their initial draft positions, they gave up more than the Bears did.
The Chiefs traded the No. 27 pick, a third-round pick and their 2018 first-round selection to the Bills to move up to No. 10 to draft Texas Tech quarterback Patrick Mahomes.
Don’t think the Browns wanted Trubisky?
Well, they traded the 12th overall pick to the Texans for the No. 25 pick and a 2018 first-rounder. The Texans took Clemson quarterback Deshaun Watson.
The cost of swapping picks with 49ers included the 67th and 111th picks this year and a 2018 third-round selection.
The 49ers used the 111th pick to trade back into the first round to select Alabama linebacker Reuben Foster at No. 31. They selected Stanford defensive lineman Solomon Thomas third overall.
It’s best to withhold judgement on the Bears’ move for Trubisky for a few years. Thomas and Foster surely will have their strong moments this season, but Trubisky will sit and learn.
But the picks Pace parted with won’t matter much if Trubisky develops into a franchise quarterback.
“Once you have conviction on a guy, you have to do it,” Pace said. “You have to be aggressive and do it. The comparison for me is always in free agency. You don’t really know. You set a price on a player, whether it’s a financial price or draft picks. And if you have conviction on a player, you go get him. Because the alternative is, you don’t know. Hey, maybe you call the bluff and you miss out on the player. And in this case, I wasn’t willing to take that risk.”
"In this case, the risk and the reward make sense. The reward is a possible franchise quarterback. The risk was losing out on a player that you wanted.
Conversations with several league sources overnight revealed that there were a handful of teams who aggressively attempted to try to move up in the draft, namely the Browns, Chiefs, Cardinals and Texans. The Browns and Chiefs, per those sources, were thought to be very high on Trubisky.
It’s unknown whether any teams were close to beating out the Bears for the 49ers’ second overall pick. But their interest alone was worth action. Pace wanted Trubisky and made sure to get him.
In some ways, it was similar to last year when the Bears leapfrogged the Giants by trading up to select outside linebacker Leonard Floyd. Pace wanted Floyd and made sure to get him.
It’s best not to have regrets, especially if you feel that strongly about a player."
Looming suitors for Mitch Trubisky sparked right action by Bears
On May 8, 2014, the Bears held firm. They waited. And waited. And … waited.
And it almost worked.
Pittsburgh defensive tackle Aaron Donald nearly fell to the Bears in the first round of that year’s draft. He was the player they loved. He was their target.
But heartbreak was in order. The Bears watched the Rams select Donald with the 13th overall selection — just one pick before they were up for the first time in the draft.
According to three sources familiar with the situation, panic took over the Bears’ draft room at the time. They were so close to Donald and were now on the clock. The Rams were thought to be loaded on the defensive line. The Bears thought they had Donald.
With Donald now off the board, the Bears selected cornerback Kyle Fuller out of Virginia Tech at No. 14.
It looked like a great selection at first. Fuller had three interceptions in his first three games. But now he’s more bust than boom. His inconsistent play and mental mistakes stood out in 2015 Fuller was even benched at one point as he struggled to win over defensive coordinator Vic Fangio.
To make matters worse, Fuller missed all of the 2016 season after routine arthroscopic knee surgery in the preseason.
Donald, meanwhile, is a young superstar. He was the defensive rookie of the year in 2014. He has been voted to three Pro Bowls in three seasons and also was named first-team All-Pro in the past two.
General manager Ryan Pace might not be familiar with that story but it’s an important one to consider when looking at his bold decision to trade up and select North Carolina quarterback Mitch Trubisky on Thursday.
In this case, the risk and the reward make sense. The reward is a possible franchise quarterback. The risk was losing out on a player that you wanted.
Conversations with several league sources overnight revealed that there were a handful of teams who aggressively attempted to try to move up in the draft, namely the Browns, Chiefs, Cardinals and Texans. The Browns and Chiefs, per those sources, were thought to be very high on Trubisky.
It’s unknown whether any teams were close to beating out the Bears for the 49ers’ second overall pick. But their interest alone was worth action. Pace wanted Trubisky and made sure to get him.
In some ways, it was similar to last year when the Bears leapfrogged the Giants by trading up to select outside linebacker Leonard Floyd. Pace wanted Floyd and made sure to get him.
It’s best not to have regrets, especially if you feel that strongly about a player.
In the end, the Chiefs and Texans did move up in the draft to get their quarterbacks, and because of their initial draft positions, they gave up more than the Bears did.
The Chiefs traded the No. 27 pick, a third-round pick and their 2018 first-round selection to the Bills to move up to No. 10 to draft Texas Tech quarterback Patrick Mahomes.
Don’t think the Browns wanted Trubisky?
Well, they traded the 12th overall pick to the Texans for the No. 25 pick and a 2018 first-rounder. The Texans took Clemson quarterback Deshaun Watson.
The cost of swapping picks with 49ers included the 67th and 111th picks this year and a 2018 third-round selection.
The 49ers used the 111th pick to trade back into the first round to select Alabama linebacker Reuben Foster at No. 31. They selected Stanford defensive lineman Solomon Thomas third overall.
It’s best to withhold judgement on the Bears’ move for Trubisky for a few years. Thomas and Foster surely will have their strong moments this season, but Trubisky will sit and learn. But the picks Pace parted with won’t matter much if Trubisky develops into a franchise quarterback.
“Once you have conviction on a guy, you have to do it,” Pace said. “You have to be aggressive and do it. The comparison for me is always in free agency. You don’t really know. You set a price on a player, whether it’s a financial price or draft picks. And if you have conviction on a player, you go get him. Because the alternative is, you don’t know. Hey, maybe you call the bluff and you miss out on the player. And in this case, I wasn’t willing to take that risk.”
That's exactly what I have been saying also. He just has to have picked the right guy
That's exactly what I have been saying also. He just has to have picked the right guy
That's the bottom-line on it. But fans (all of us) want to definitively judge the draft move immediately. It is hard to be patient and wait to see how this guy actually performs in 2018 and beyond. But it will take time to accurately see if Pace got the right guy here.
Pace is growing on me and I find I'm liking the guy more and more. He isn't perfect, and some of these moves may end up being mistakes. But he's doing things "his way" and he doesn't seem to mind that the "experts" may not like his moves. But it's his entire NFL GM career on the line here in Chicago. If he screws this up he'll never get another GM job again in the NFL. Just like Angelo and Emery will never be GMs again.
Consequently, Pace is doing it "his way" all the way. I'm really hoping he succeeds.
+1 I absolutely loved that video. Thanks for posting. It's one thing to read the quotes from his pressor, but it is much better to hear Pace talk about why he wanted Trubisky over everyone else. Man, I am 100% pumped over this pick. I like the attitude Pace has about "being great" rather than just sitting on our hands being mediocre. I'm tired of the endless fear over being bold in drafting a QB. Pace is one gutsy guy. He swung for the fences in this pick. I hope it ends up being a home run.
The funny thing is that you could complain about any draft pick any year and you would be right more than you were wrong. Some people just like to complain. Want to actually impress someone? Make predictions and then own up to them when they don't happen. If Mitch pans out no one here will ever step forward and claim they were against the pick.
You're starting to see that now with Floyd. Posters complained and complained and now..silence.
This year because I haven't done a lot of scouting on my own I promissed myself: Im not going to freak out like I did when White was picked over Vic Beasley. However I kinda did it this year, because of the trade up. If he had gone with QB/S/DE/CB I would be content with either. The only thing I hate is the lack of draft picks, because it is a good year to fill out safety/TE needs. We could have gotten a really good safety or TE in the 2rd round in the top, whereas we now have to hope that we can trade down and then somehow still take one of the good safety prospects thats currently left, and add a TE later on.
Now we have him and it is what it is, and I hope for the best for Mitch and I really hope he will be a +10 year starter with mulitple probowls and playoff wins.
The funny thing is that you could complain about any draft pick any year and you would be right more than you were wrong. Some people just like to complain. Want to actually impress someone? Make predictions and then own up to them when they don't happen. If Mitch pans out no one here will ever step forward and claim they were against the pick.
You're starting to see that now with Floyd. Posters complained and complained and now..silence.
Yep, when it comes to the draft, stat's are on the side of the skeptic. If you complain about every pick, you are going to be right more often then not and look like a genious.
Yep Floyd is the perfect example, the same fretting was happening last year, and by about the 5th game it had all but dried up.