"But if any position is worth overpaying, selling out, or getting robbed for, it's quarterback. This year, the market was so furious that three teams traded up in the first round for a quarterback for the first time in history. In the long run, it will matter not how many assets were required to make the deal. The leverage point is not the trade itself, but two other factors: evaluation of the player and the franchise's capacity to develop him.
In other words, if you like a quarterback, do whatever you can to get him. If you want to get cute -- if you only want one at the exact price you establish and consider yourself disciplined when you shy away from aggressive bids -- you become ...
2. The Cleveland Browns: America's most disciplined losers
The Browns have the first part right: Draft success is largely about the quantity of picks. So it's great that they will have seven more picks in this draft and then five selections (and counting) in the first two rounds of the 2018 draft.
But failing to use any of them on a high(er)-end quarterback will doom them in the short term and midterm. Unless you think the Browns can grow with 2016 third-rounder Cody Kessler or -- gasp -- recent acquisition Brock Osweiler, it's difficult to see how they can move forward while continuing to slow play the position.
The Browns have outsmarted themselves."
That's exactly right and I was struck by that last night. The Browns totally screwed up. They had tons of draft capital and ended up with no QB. And instead they got Jabril Peppers LMAO.
We won't know the grade on this guy for a few years. That is true of all draftees in general, and quarterbacks in particular.
We don't know anything yet.
If the guy turns out to be a bust, that's one thing, but if he turns out to be a great franchise QB for the Chicago Bears for the next 8 or 10 (or more) years, then that's another thing. And of course he could be anywhere in the range between bust and greatness.
I find it a waste of time putting a draft grade on Trubisky at this point before he's even thrown his first NFL pass for us. But I "get it" that it makes the sports media people relevant for today, and the fans have some fun guessing like this. But it is meaningless to place a grade on the guy at this point.
But people will do it anyway.
I think for now you have to grade the concept. Pace put it pretty clear when he said you need a QB to be a great team. He obviously felt Tru"bear"sky :-) give us that opportunity. Conceptually I applaud what he did and most thought Trubisky was the best QB available so hard to fault Pace for getting the future QB on board. It may slow down the rebuild by a year but it also gives these young players an opportunity to grow together for a year and hopefully gel when Trubisky is ready to start. Conceptually this was the correct move in my opinion, if he becomes great or bust the concept is solid, we will have to see how well Pace did on the evaluation process. So far he has been above average all we can do now is wait and see. It may make Foxy uncomfortable and even cost him a job, but it probably prolonged Pace and his job as this will take a few years to play out.
We won't know the grade on this guy for a few years. That is true of all draftees in general, and quarterbacks in particular.
We don't know anything yet.
If the guy turns out to be a bust, that's one thing, but if he turns out to be a great franchise QB for the Chicago Bears for the next 8 or 10 (or more) years, then that's another thing. And of course he could be anywhere in the range between bust and greatness.
I find it a waste of time putting a draft grade on Trubisky at this point before he's even thrown his first NFL pass for us. But I "get it" that it makes the sports media people relevant for today, and the fans have some fun guessing like this. But it is meaningless to place a grade on the guy at this point.
But people will do it anyway.
I think for now you have to grade the concept. Pace put it pretty clear when he said you need a QB to be a great team. He obviously felt Tru"bear"sky :-) give us that opportunity. Conceptually I applaud what he did and most thought Trubisky was the best QB available so hard to fault Pace for getting the future QB on board. It may slow down the rebuild by a year but it also gives these young players an opportunity to grow together for a year and hopefully gel when Trubisky is ready to start. Conceptually this was the correct move in my opinion, if he becomes great or bust the concept is solid, we will have to see how well Pace did on the evaluation process. So far he has been above average all we can do now is wait and see. It may make Foxy uncomfortable and even cost him a job, but it probably prolonged Pace and his job as this will take a few years to play out.
I agree. The move was solid. My only concern is if he picked the right guy. And honestly, I'm not saying this because I wanted Watson. If he had picked Watson, I'd be saying the very same thing. Neither guy is a sure thing. I just hope the scouts and him really got it right. I don't want to be doing this every year or two like the Browns.
We won't know the grade on this guy for a few years. That is true of all draftees in general, and quarterbacks in particular.
We don't know anything yet.
If the guy turns out to be a bust, that's one thing, but if he turns out to be a great franchise QB for the Chicago Bears for the next 8 or 10 (or more) years, then that's another thing. And of course he could be anywhere in the range between bust and greatness.
I find it a waste of time putting a draft grade on Trubisky at this point before he's even thrown his first NFL pass for us. But I "get it" that it makes the sports media people relevant for today, and the fans have some fun guessing like this. But it is meaningless to place a grade on the guy at this point.
But people will do it anyway.
I think for now you have to grade the concept. Pace put it pretty clear when he said you need a QB to be a great team. He obviously felt Tru"bear"sky :-) give us that opportunity. Conceptually I applaud what he did and most thought Trubisky was the best QB available so hard to fault Pace for getting the future QB on board. It may slow down the rebuild by a year but it also gives these young players an opportunity to grow together for a year and hopefully gel when Trubisky is ready to start. Conceptually this was the correct move in my opinion, if he becomes great or bust the concept is solid, we will have to see how well Pace did on the evaluation process. So far he has been above average all we can do now is wait and see. It may make Foxy uncomfortable and even cost him a job, but it probably prolonged Pace and his job as this will take a few years to play out.
Can you see how much the Bears gave up? WHEW WHAT RIP the bears got by giving up those doozies. Fire him now! No SB's w/out those guys!
I really don't get that argument at all. I keep seeing it but I think it's a terrible point to make. If that's how people really feel the whenever you have those picks you might as well just trade them away no matter what.
Can you see how much the Bears gave up? WHEW WHAT RIP the bears got by giving up those doozies. Fire him now! No SB's w/out those guys!
I really don't get that argument at all. I keep seeing it but I think it's a terrible point to make. If that's how people really feel the whenever you have those picks you might as well just trade them away no matter what.
Yeah, me too. I mean, we get it too, its just a pretty lame argument. But, I also understand Ric, he wants to comfort us
I really don't get that argument at all. I keep seeing it but I think it's a terrible point to make. If that's how people really feel the whenever you have those picks you might as well just trade them away no matter what.
Yeah, me too. I mean, we get it too, its just a pretty lame argument. But, I also understand Ric, he wants to comfort us
I think we can all agree that the more picks you have the more chances you have to find some great football players. Currently if they finish the draft with only 5 picks it's likely only 1 or 2 of them will make it to a second contract.
I think for now you have to grade the concept. Pace put it pretty clear when he said you need a QB to be a great team. He obviously felt Tru"bear"sky :-) give us that opportunity. Conceptually I applaud what he did and most thought Trubisky was the best QB available so hard to fault Pace for getting the future QB on board. It may slow down the rebuild by a year but it also gives these young players an opportunity to grow together for a year and hopefully gel when Trubisky is ready to start. Conceptually this was the correct move in my opinion, if he becomes great or bust the concept is solid, we will have to see how well Pace did on the evaluation process. So far he has been above average all we can do now is wait and see. It may make Foxy uncomfortable and even cost him a job, but it probably prolonged Pace and his job as this will take a few years to play out.
I agree. The move was solid. My only concern is if he picked the right guy. And honestly, I'm not saying this because I wanted Watson. If he had picked Watson, I'd be saying the very same thing. Neither guy is a sure thing. I just hope the scouts and him really got it right. I don't want to be doing this every year or two like the Browns.
Yeah I personnally preferred Watson as well, but it was more the concept of fixing the position that I embraced and left it to Pace to figure out which QB that would be. I wanted a QB in round 1 more than a given name. Looking at the other trades for QB we did pretty well and still own next years #1 which neither of the other traders for QB were able to salvage. It slows down the rebuild not having the 3rd and 4th round pick but true starting talent is rd1 and rd2 so we may not get the stop gap like Amos but we still have out top picks this year and next
Can you see how much the Bears gave up? WHEW WHAT RIP the bears got by giving up those doozies. Fire him now! No SB's w/out those guys!
I really don't get that argument at all. I keep seeing it but I think it's a terrible point to make. If that's how people really feel the whenever you have those picks you might as well just trade them away no matter what.
Compared to what the Texans and Chiefs gave up. I'm happy that the highest we gave up was a 3rd.
I really don't get that argument at all. I keep seeing it but I think it's a terrible point to make. If that's how people really feel the whenever you have those picks you might as well just trade them away no matter what.
Compared to what the Texans and Chiefs gave up. I'm happy that the highest we gave up was a 3rd.
That's one way to look at it. I look at it as having fewer chances to find key players. I want more picks in order to increase the odds of finding difference makers.