I'm looking more into this "build a solid team, then draft a QB" idea. I went back and checked a few teams out and their draft history:
1. NY Giants:
Drafted Eli in 2004, 4 years removed from a Super Bowl appearance. The year before, 2003, they had a pretty good draft, getting Osi, William Joseph, Dave Diehl, David Tyree, and Visanthe Shiancoe. In that 04 draft with Eli they got Chris Snee, and Gibrill Wilson. In each of the following drafts leading up to 08 they had very good drafts adding players to the team who would upset the Pats in the Super Bowl. They included: Corey Webster, Justin Tuck, Brandon Jacobs, Mathias Kwiawanuka, Sinorice Moss, Barry Coefield, Aaron Ross, Steve Smith, Kevin Boss, and Ahmad Bradshaw.
So they drafted Eli prior, built the team around him, and they also had Kurt Warner so Eli didn't have to play right away...in fact he didn't play until Warner got hurt against the Bears(I was at that game).
I'll look at more teams later on tonight.
Baltimore is a good example for the argument, but even it wasn't perfect. Great D, but Boller didn't work and Flacco did....but they kept that D running strong throughout 10+ years
I really think you're going to find arguments on both sides of the tracks in this case. Teams have done it Qb first and some have done it the other way.
I think it will be BOTH of them - Pace & Fox both.
Then I think you will be half right!
LOL, could be, or flat wrong. Who knows. Make no mistake. Pace is the GM. These are all his players. These are his coaches. This is his team, as long as he keeps his job. He won't make a move just to be a nice guy, or to be best buds with Fox. Pace's NFL career as a GM is on the line with his job performance here on the Bears. Angelo and Emery will never have a GM job again after crapping the bed in Chicago. Pace understands how this works. If he craps the bed, then he's done as a GM in the NFL forever. He won't get a 2nd chance with another franchise.
I'm looking more into this "build a solid team, then draft a QB" idea. I went back and checked a few teams out and their draft history:
1. NY Giants:
Drafted Eli in 2004, 4 years removed from a Super Bowl appearance. The year before, 2003, they had a pretty good draft, getting Osi, William Joseph, Dave Diehl, David Tyree, and Visanthe Shiancoe. In that 04 draft with Eli they got Chris Snee, and Gibrill Wilson. In each of the following drafts leading up to 08 they had very good drafts adding players to the team who would upset the Pats in the Super Bowl. They included: Corey Webster, Justin Tuck, Brandon Jacobs, Mathias Kwiawanuka, Sinorice Moss, Barry Coefield, Aaron Ross, Steve Smith, Kevin Boss, and Ahmad Bradshaw.
So they drafted Eli prior, built the team around him, and they also had Kurt Warner so Eli didn't have to play right away...in fact he didn't play until Warner got hurt against the Bears(I was at that game).
I'll look at more teams later on tonight.
Baltimore is a good example for the argument, but even it wasn't perfect. Great D, but Boller didn't work and Flacco did....but they kept that D running strong throughout 10+ years
I really think you're going to find arguments on both sides of the tracks in this case. Teams have done it Qb first and some have done it the other way.
Without a doubt, there is no one way to do it. It wasn't till they got Flacco that they had a run of 5 years straight in the playoffs with a super bowl win.
Post by paytonisgod on Apr 25, 2017 17:33:13 GMT -6
I've come around a bit on drafting a QB with our 1st round pick. From what I have been reading next year's QB class isn't looking like sure things either and (hopefully) we won't have nearly so high a pick next year to make a play for one. So if Pace sees an opportunity to get a QB he wants he should probably take it. It's a big risk with some of the talent around but if he thinks one or the QBs has real potential then pull the trigger.
Baltimore is a good example for the argument, but even it wasn't perfect. Great D, but Boller didn't work and Flacco did....but they kept that D running strong throughout 10+ years
I really think you're going to find arguments on both sides of the tracks in this case. Teams have done it Qb first and some have done it the other way.
Without a doubt, there is no one way to do it. It wasn't till they got Flacco that they had a run of 5 years straight in the playoffs with a super bowl win.
The pieces do not show up when a teams plan says they are needed. You can have an overall plan, but you also must be opportunistic. When the opportunity presents itself to do something that might not be possible down the road, you do it, so no example anyone can point to will be a perfect example of either position.
BTW, that is also my argument on getting a QB now. The opportunity to pick at #3 is here now. We might not see it again soon. And if there is any one position that the consensus would be that you need a high pick to get a good one, it would be QB.
You're overestimating the impact Flacco has on the Ravens. Look at his career QBR. He's mediocre at best.
Flacco got red hot that post-season after being only so-so in the RS. That coupled with a great D won them the SB that year. JF has been very un-special ever since.
You're overestimating the impact Flacco has on the Ravens. Look at his career QBR. He's mediocre at best.
NFL Rookie of the Year his first year. Led his team to 6 seasons of playoffs. 15 playoff games (passed for over 3,200 yards in playoff games). 10 playoff wins. Passed for 25 playoff TDs. In his last 4 years of playoff games his QB rating is 101.0 with 24 TDs versus 4 ints). Super Bowl winning QB. Super Bowl MVP.
Hey, I'd be fine with a mediocre guy like that on the Bears.
You're overestimating the impact Flacco has on the Ravens. Look at his career QBR. He's mediocre at best.
NFL Rookie of the Year his first year. Led his team to 6 seasons of playoffs. Super Bowl winning QB. Super Bowl MVP. I'd be fine with a mediocre guy like that on the Bears.
My only point was that Flacco has been an above-average QB I'd say but not an elite one (outside of that killer post-season run he had their SB year). Once that D withered away afterwards, he's been unable to get back to the playoffs 3 of the last 4 seasons. Had only 1 6th seed wildcard appearance since. Not saying Flacco isn't a "good enough QB to win with", he is. But he hasn't consistently carried a team into the postseason like Rogers does.
NFL Rookie of the Year his first year. Led his team to 6 seasons of playoffs. Super Bowl winning QB. Super Bowl MVP. I'd be fine with a mediocre guy like that on the Bears.
My only point was that Flacco has been an above-average QB I'd say but not an elite one (outside of that killer post-season run he had their SB year). Once that D withered away afterwards, he's been unable to get back to the playoffs 3 of the last 4 seasons. Had only 1 6th seed wildcard appearance since. Not saying Flacco isn't a "good enough QB to win with", he is. But he hasn't consistently carried a team into the postseason like Rogers does.
I agree he isn't Aaron Rodgers. I also agree he is good enough to win with. That is good enough for me.