Meh... King will come around once he understands that we don't know Glennon is bad.
WOW, are you missing the whole point of what he wrote too? What did King write?
I want to stress this:I do not know if Glennon will be a success or failure at his next team. But why does a team have to pay a player—who has proved nothing—as much as a four-time playoff quarterback? Bengals QB Andy Dalton averages $16 million a season. That’s about where Glennon is likely to end up.
That all I want to stress as well. I've listened to three years of constant complaints that we over paid for Cutler whose deal averaged about $17 mil per year. Whether or not that's true is a matter of opinion but at least Cutler had, for the majority of his Bears career a winning record as a starter at the time he was given that extension.
Are we about to pay close to the same kind of money to a guy who only proven he's no better than a #2 level QB with a 5-13 W/L record? I think that's the ONLY point King was making and in reality it's the same one I'm making. Glennon has done nothing to have earned that kind of pay day except to have become a UFA.
LOL...
You missed it all. You have to go back and read the thread between me and Ric.
Hoge: Scouting (Likely) New Bears Quarterback Mike Glennon POSTED 5:17 PM, MARCH 8, 2017, BY ADAM HOGE, UPDATED AT 05:16PM, MARCH 8, 2017
Here’s what I saw:
Positives: He has a very strong arm and throws a nice, tight spiral with a quick release. When given the time, he goes through his progressions smoothly and finds the open man. His footwork in the pocket is better than most and he’s willing to step up and deliver a strong throw, even if it means absorbing a hit. Glennon’s touch has improved since college and he throws a nice back-shoulder ball, allowing his bigger receivers to go up and get it. While he’s not very elusive, he does seem to have a feel for the rush from the backside. Mobility is definitely not Glennon’s strength, but he’s not a statue either. He throws well on the run too, Glennon holds the ball high and tight and fumbles are not a big issue, which is impressive given all the pressure he’s faced in his career.
So young w/upside, and has shown an ability to improve. Something the Bears do not have on their roster at QB at this time. But is enough to maybe be a boarderline starter.
Negatives: Glennon’s mechanics breakdown under pressure. His footwork gets sloppy and he tends to throw off his back foot. Below average athleticism often leaves him as a sitting duck against the blitz. He hasn’t had much help in Tampa, but there are too many times the offense looks like a complete mess and the quarterback always has to shoulder some of that blame. His athletic limitations means he must play behind a top-end offensive line with a strong, complementary running game.
So his floor is definitley not franchise qb, and likely is barely passible backup. The Bears likely need to either run early and often(something the hobbit refused to do) or they need to stay in max protect until they have 2 OT's they are sure can handle the pressure.
Conclusion: There’s enough to like about Glennon to understand what Bears general manager Ryan Pace sees in him. Watching the tape is important because it exposes realities that cannot be seen on a stat sheet. Take Glennon’s 2014 season for instance. ...in watching those six games, I counted a total of 13 dropped passes, and one of his interceptions was the result of wide receiver Mike Evans pulling up with an injury in the middle of his route. Taking all of that into account, Glennon’s completion percentage adjusts to 64.5 percent, which is more than respectable.
Additionally, the lack of protection from his offensive line cannot be ignored.
According to Pro Football Focus, Glennon was blitzed more than any other quarterback in 2014 (42.9 percent of the time) — five percent more than any other quarterback in the league. PFF also determined that Glennon was the worst quarterback in the league against the blitz.
Still, there’s certainly some logic here indicating that Glennon can be a decent-to-good starter in the NFL and perhaps even develop into something more in the right situation with more experience.
But that’s a key question: Are the Bears a better situation? There’s a reason why Glennon was blitzed so much in Tampa and its because opposing defensive coordinators knew they could get to the him without getting beat consistenly. Jordan Howard will provide a helpful running game and the interior of the Bears’ offensive line is very good, but Charles Leno Jr. and Bobby Massie aren’t Pro Bowlers at the tackle position and that’s a little worrisome given Glennon’s lack of athleticism. Ricky Wagner would have been a good upgrade at right tackle, but he’s reportedly signing with the Lions instead. That’s a significant loss for the Bears — and Glennon — in my mind, especially in a weak year for tackles (both in free agency and the draft).
So there is a lot to like about him, but again he needs help, especially at the OT position. While I've said I like Leno/Massie well enough, they are far from pro bowlers and the one think Hoyer/Barkley were able to do was escape pressure at times. The one positive is that Glennon can stand in and take a hit. But he does have some Cutler in him, the question will be can he be worked out of those issues; and on a positive at least he doesn't fumble like Cutler.
My advice? Re-sign Alshon Jeffery. In fact, back in 2015, Pro Football Focus noted that Glennon’s 68.9 percent “Yards in Air Rate” was the highest among quarterbacks over the previous four seasons.
So give the kid time and a target and he can throw it downfield w/the best of them, literally.
But what about the contract? With better protection and more help from his wideouts, Glennon should have more success in Chicago, but is he worth about the same that Jay Cutler is due this year? Well, he is if he plays well. An average salary between $14-15 million would rank 23rd among quarterbacks,
Exactly
For argument’s sake, let’s say the Glennon contract is worth $45 million over three years, but only $20 million is fully guaranteed. Perhaps, like Cutler’s contract, more gets guaranteed via yearly roster bonuses payed out in March of 2018 and 2019, meaning the Bears can avoid those by cutting him before those dates if needed. Likely all of the fully guaranteed money would be paid out in the first two years, giving the Bears a clear out for Year 3 if Glennon turns out to be a disaster. But if he doesn’t — if he actually turns out to be pretty good — perhaps more incentives are built into the deal to push it beyond $45 million.
One thing being ignore is that most NFL contracts aren't judged on the yearly amount but the guaranteed money, and the cap hit. If the Bears are able to structure this so that he can be cut after year 3 then really no loss.
In today’s quarterback market, Glennon would be a steal under those circumstances if he plays well and would only be a mega-failure if he was completely unplayable on the field (and the tape does not suggest that to be the case). This is not a Brock Osweiler situation in my opinion. There’s more tape on Glennon now than there was on Osweiler last year and its much more favorable. Some are comparing Glennon’s numbers to Osweiler’s in Denver, but as I detailed before — those numbers are deceiving. Osweiler played on a much better team with better protection. Plus, the only way Glennon will make more money than Osweiler over the life of the contract is if he earns it by playing well. With the Bears flush with cap space and apparently determined to move on from Jay Cutler, I can certainly see why this all adds up to paying Mike Glennon, especially when there isn’t an obvious solution available with the No. 3 overall draft pick.
Ric I'm just gonna be straight with you because I make a terrible hypocrite. I no longer give a rats ass about your opinions or have any desire to debate them with you so you are cordially invited to simply piss off. I would put my opinion of you on about the same level as yours and John Fox's of Jay Cutler.
Does that clear up any doubts you might have about any responses you'll ever get from me after this one?
Im hurt and will go in a corner and cry now...but what about bowen and hoges opinion...or will you just ignore those bc those dont fit into your narative? Well at least that is keepinf up with your mo
Personally Ric I don't care what you do or what corner you choose to do it in just as long as I'm no longer a part of it. Your personal insults to me in January blew up any willingness I'll ever have to debate you again so don't start in with that stuff again now. Just go about your own business and pretend like I'm not even here. That's better for both of us and the forum.
Im hurt and will go in a corner and cry now...but what about bowen and hoges opinion...or will you just ignore those bc those dont fit into your narative? Well at least that is keepinf up with your mo
Personally Ric I don't care what you do or what corner you choose to do it in just as long as I'm no longer a part of it. Your personal insults to me in January blew up any willingness I'll ever have to debate you again so don't start in with that stuff again now. Just go about your own business and pretend like I'm not even here. That's better for both of us and the forum.
Dude you've been throwing personal insults to me for years, if you cannot take what you deal, that's your issue. But i'll post/comment as I like.
WOW, are you missing the whole point of what he wrote too? What did King write?
I want to stress this:I do not know if Glennon will be a success or failure at his next team. But why does a team have to pay a player—who has proved nothing—as much as a four-time playoff quarterback? Bengals QB Andy Dalton averages $16 million a season. That’s about where Glennon is likely to end up.
That all I want to stress as well. I've listened to three years of constant complaints that we over paid for Cutler whose deal averaged about $17 mil per year. Whether or not that's true is a matter of opinion but at least Cutler had, for the majority of his Bears career a winning record as a starter at the time he was given that extension.
Are we about to pay close to the same kind of money to a guy who only proven he's no better than a #2 level QB with a 5-13 W/L record? I think that's the ONLY point King was making and in reality it's the same one I'm making. Glennon has done nothing to have earned that kind of pay day except to have become a UFA.
LOL...
You missed it all. You have to go back and read the thread between me and Ric.
Garoppolo was the best option. IMHO, he is/was the best combination of starter-readiness, youth, NFL-experience, and upside. I really don't care that much about the "price". Say it was NE's newly state demand which is 2 1sts. Well, we paid that for Cutler (plus Orton) SO WHAT? You're up the creek without a QB that can take you to the promised land so who cares? The Bears did what they often do--cheap out on the one indispensable position in the game.
We will likely finish 7-9 or something like that, missing the playoffs yet again, but at least we didn't "overpay", right.
NE decided they couldn't get their price so they kept him, fine. The Glennon thing is moot to me as long as Pace drafts "his guy" next month. Glennon, 95% chance isn't going to be it (and I really hope I'm wrong about him), so get that guy. If Pace whiffs, we are in the NFL wilderness for years.
Ur right , more years of wilderness - which accomplishes nothing . Here's the thing that too many GM's never 'get' ... most of the players in this league cancel each other out . It's those few who are a cut above who bring ur team out of the wilderness . And I ask you , if u were picking between Glennon or Watson , which one do you think has more potential to eventually elevate ur team ? ( if u say Glennon then ur being disingenuous ) .
But , Pace and Fox are desperate for their 'wins' now - and that's why we're gonna end up with Dead End Glennon .
Instead of trying to build around talented , proven WINNER Watson .
Well, if Glennon is desirable because he is an unknown and Cutler is known, then Watson must be uber-valuable.
Ur right , more years of wilderness - which accomplishes nothing . Here's the thing that too many GM's never 'get' ... most of the players in this league cancel each other out . It's those few who are a cut above who bring ur team out of the wilderness . And I ask you , if u were picking between Glennon or Watson , which one do you think has more potential to eventually elevate ur team ? ( if u say Glennon then ur being disingenuous ) .
But , Pace and Fox are desperate for their 'wins' now - and that's why we're gonna end up with Dead End Glennon .
Instead of trying to build around talented , proven WINNER Watson .
Well, if Glennon is desirable because he is an unknown and Cutler is known, then Watson must be uber-valuable.
Your using Peter King as your reference point; when Glennon will be making 3 mil a year less?
All kidding aside, Im far from thrilled about Glennon, but I'm also not near as anxty either. I know you love facts, so here is Bowen's breakdown of Glennon, you know based on facts:
Here's what Matt Bowen wrote up on him:
Mike Glennon tape (2013, 2014): Arm strength jumps off the screen. When throwing from a stable platform, Glennon can fit the ball into tight windows and hit the deep out, dig, seam, corner, fade. Ball comes out clean. And he is going to challenge defensive backs in coverage. Good feel and anticipation off play action too. Find the lane and deliver the ball.
I think Glennon has enough athleticism to produce on sprint and boot action. And he will show the ability to make the occasional off-schedule play. Keeps the eyes down the field. Also works quickly through his progressions and improved reading coverages from Year 1 to Year 2.
When forced to throw from an unstable platform, Glennon lacks accuracy and placement. He will sail some throws and his footwork suffers when the pocket breaks down. Needs to improve mechanics and release versus pressure. Step into throws. And find more touch to drop the ball over the top of second-level defenders.
The way I see it, Glennon needs more reps. That's the key. However, from a coaching perspective, he has the tools to develop.
From Adam Hoge who broke down all his snaps:
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I'm weird & watched all 630 of Mike Glennon's career pass attempts. Writing my thoughts up now, but in short: I get what Pace is thinking.
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Sample: I counted 13 drops in 6 games in 2014. That would adjust Glennon's completion percentage from 57.6 to 64.0. Behind a bad O-line.
While Im not thrilled, I'm HOPING that this is one piece to a larger puzzle and a qb will still be drafted in the first 3 rounds, leading to an open competition of Glennon/Rookie/Shaw. If that happens then the Bears are already better off then they were.
This is pretty much where I am on this too. I think Glennon is a placeholder while a young draftee will be groomed to be the franchise QB. I'm thankful the Bears are moving on from Cutler, finally. I would rather have Glennon than Cutler as the placeholder guy.
Personally Ric I don't care what you do or what corner you choose to do it in just as long as I'm no longer a part of it. Your personal insults to me in January blew up any willingness I'll ever have to debate you again so don't start in with that stuff again now. Just go about your own business and pretend like I'm not even here. That's better for both of us and the forum.
Dude you've been throwing personal insults to me for years, if you cannot take what you deal, that's your issue. But i'll post/comment as I like.