Is Ryan Pace really gonna spend $14-$15 mil a year to sign a red haired giraffe to be his QB of the present and maybe the future? Man things are getting worse around Halas Hall than even I thought they were.
Now introducing the new Chicago Bears QB.......Jar Jar Binks!
I posted something about his neck yesterday, but then afterwards I felt bad about it because the poor guy can't help something like that. It sounds like he's a good guy. He may or may not be a good QB for us. If he stinks as our QB we can get on him for his poor performance. I'm not going to go on about his looks.
I think this brings into the open the pressure Fox and Pace are feeling to get some wins now. Its great to talk about a rebuild, and great to slice off the players you think are a drag on the message or won't be around when the SB runs start. But it still all comes down to wins. Add to that a media that built up the "Fox Bump" without anyone from Halas Hall saying slow down, and you have a media and a fan base and maybe an owner looking around and saying...where are the wins?
So rather that come out and say "it was always going to be a long process" Fox/Pace/Halas Hall are all united in saying things are looking up. (What was Fox's exact phrase...getting closer to be being better?) But now they need wins, so adding Glennen and drafting DEF early creates what I'll call empty wins. 7-9 looks like improvement over 3-13 but its do-able now.
But I don't think 7-9 should be considered progress in year 3, I think 9-7 would be progress.
THIS WILL BE EDITED AS I FLESH THIS THOUGHT OUT MORE.
I posted something about his neck yesterday, but then afterwards I felt bad about it because the poor guy can't help something like that. It sounds like he's a good guy. He may or may not be a good QB for us. If he stinks as our QB we can get on him for his poor performance. I'm not going to go on about his looks.
Then I suppose I shouldn't make this comparison either hmmmm? LOLOL
If he can't play QB at least he can entertain at Children's Hospital right?
I think this brings into the open the pressure Fox and Pace are feeling to get some wins now. Its great to talk about a rebuild, and great to slice off the players you think are a drag on the message or won't be around when the SB runs start. But it still all comes down to wins. Add to that a media that built up the "Fox Bump" without anyone from Halas Hall saying slow down, and you have a media and a fan base and maybe an owner looking around and saying...where are the wins?
So rather that come out and say "it was always going to be a long process" Fox/Pace/Halas Hall are all united in saying things are looking up. (What was Fox's exact phrase...getting closer to be being better?) But now they need wins, so adding Glennen and drafting DEF early creates what I'll call empty wins. 7-9 looks like improvement over 3-13 but its do-able now.
But I don't think 7-9 should be considered progress in year 3, I think 9-7 would be progress.
THIS WILL BE EDITED AS I FLESH THIS THOUGHT OUT MORE.
Wish we had a head shaking smilie. All well taken BB but if Pace and Fox are gonna try to sell Bears fans who are already malcontent with Cutler as the QB someone needs to explain to me just how Mike Glennon will prove to be better somehow.
He may be close to having an arm like Cutler's but he's an absolute statue in the pocket. Can you imagine a Bears QB playing in that offense behind that line who has concrete for feet? Another Jonathan Quinn who was gonna be OC Terry Shea's savior of his offense.
The ONLY reason this is even happening is because Fox created such a rift between him and Cutler last fall that having both still in Chicago is no longer viable. So we end up replacing a workable QB who can still start while we draft and develop his replacement with a QB who isn't as good? Once again what I see is not the rebuilding of a team but rather a total tear down in stages that's still progressing.
If this team wins 7 games this year I'll be the most shocked member here especially when a thoroughly predictable offense is about to become even more predictable.
I think this brings into the open the pressure Fox and Pace are feeling to get some wins now. Its great to talk about a rebuild, and great to slice off the players you think are a drag on the message or won't be around when the SB runs start. But it still all comes down to wins. Add to that a media that built up the "Fox Bump" without anyone from Halas Hall saying slow down, and you have a media and a fan base and maybe an owner looking around and saying...where are the wins?
So rather that come out and say "it was always going to be a long process" Fox/Pace/Halas Hall are all united in saying things are looking up. (What was Fox's exact phrase...getting closer to be being better?) But now they need wins, so adding Glennen and drafting DEF early creates what I'll call empty wins. 7-9 looks like improvement over 3-13 but its do-able now.
But I don't think 7-9 should be considered progress in year 3, I think 9-7 would be progress.
THIS WILL BE EDITED AS I FLESH THIS THOUGHT OUT MORE.
Wish we had a head shaking smilie. All well taken BB but if Pace and Fox are gonna try to sell Bears fans who are already malcontent with Cutler as the QB someone needs to explain to me just how Mike Glennon will prove to be better somehow.
He may be close to having an arm like Cutler's but he's an absolute statue in the pocket. Can you imagine a Bears QB playing in that offense behind that line who has concrete for feet? Another Jonathan Quinn who was gonna be OC Terry Shea's savior of his offense.
The ONLY reason this is even happening is because Fox created such a rift between him and Cutler last fall that having both still in Chicago is no longer viable. So we end up replacing a workable QB who can still start while we draft and develop his replacement with a QB who isn't as good? Once again what I see is not the rebuilding of a team but rather a total tear down in stages that's still progressing.
If this team wins 7 games this year I'll be the most shocked member here especially when a thoroughly predictable offense is about to become even more predictable.
Yeah, I wish I could, but I can't figure it out either. The best Ric could come up with is that we knew Cutler was bad and we don't know that about Glennon (5-13 nothwithstanding). And the sad part is that when you are a QB in the NFL, if you have not shown DEFINITIVELY that you are bad, it's still good for 15M.
EDIT: Well.... at least from the Bears.... everyone else bailed.
OK, all kidding and making fun of his appearance aside I think Peter King sums it up very well here. We should be spending our UFA $$$ on players like Bouye and not on guys like Glennon. It's a panic move borne out of yet another example of how badly John Fox has mismanaged his roster. If we end up overspending for Glennon with a deal that includes anywhere near the kind of guaranteed $$$ ($37 mil) Osweiler got then we are right back where we started from with Cutler three years ago if this doesn't work out.
Don't do it!!!!!!
NFL Free Agency: A Love/Hate Relationship
The open market is at its best when it rewards players like A.J. Bouye, and at its worst when players who’ve proved nothing get way overpaid. A look at that dichotomy, plus reader email on Tom Brady, Joe Mixon and more
I love this time of year because of A.J. Bouye.
I hate this time of year because of Mike Glennon.
Allow me to explain. For many football fans, the draft is like opening Christmas presents. It’s a fun process and can help teams get better, though not necessarily right away. For many football fans, the opening of free agency is a huge event too. But too often it becomes a letdown. I fear this year is going to be one of those times.
Glennon is my example of that. I like Mike Glennon. Good guy, really hard worker, might be a good player. Might. But some team, possibly the Bears, is on the verge of paying him like the 20th-best starting quarterback in football. And good for Glennon. He’s been a good soldier in Tampa, just not a very good player. But you can’t begrudge any player for getting real money, and that’s what Glennon is likely to have in his pocket—plus a starting NFL job—by Friday.
Problem is, Glennon hasn’t earned it. It’s not a mirror image, and I do think Glennon has a chance to be good, but I also thought Brock Osweiler had a chance to be good last year at this time … and here’s how Denver Osweiler compared to Tampa Glennon in their respective careers in each spot, with 18 starts by Glennon with the Bucs and seven starts by Osweiler in Denver:
Wasn’t it logical to think Osweiler was going to be the answer in Houston, with a good quarterback mentor in Bill O’Brien? He wasn’t, and the Texans’ cap is so wounded by the signing of Osweiler at $18 million per that it may prevent them from solving the quarterback problem on a team with an extremely good defense.I want to stress this: I do not know if Glennon will be a success or failure at his next team. But why does a team have to pay a player—who has proved nothing—as much as a four-time playoff quarterback? Bengals QB Andy Dalton averages $16 million a season. That’s about where Glennon is likely to end up.
The Osweiler example showed in 2016 that paying a quarterback before he’s proved he deserves it is fool’s gold. I have high regard for Chicago GM Ryan Pace, and the street is filled with reports that it’s Pace who is yearning to sign Glennon. I think Pace is a good long-term builder. But it makes no sense to me to pay Mike Glennon in the neighborhood of players like Alex Smith and Andy Dalton. If you lose Glennon, so be it. Let him go.
OK, all kidding and making fun of his appearance aside I think Peter King sums it up very well here. We should be spending our UFA $$$ on players like Bouye and not on guys like Glennon. It's a panic move borne out of yet another example of how badly John Fox has mismanaged his roster. If we end up overspending for Glennon with a deal that includes anywhere near the kind of guaranteed $$$ ($37 mil) Osweiler got then we are right back where we started from with Cutler three years ago if this doesn't work out.
Don't do it!!!!!!
NFL Free Agency: A Love/Hate Relationship
The open market is at its best when it rewards players like A.J. Bouye, and at its worst when players who’ve proved nothing get way overpaid. A look at that dichotomy, plus reader email on Tom Brady, Joe Mixon and more
I love this time of year because of A.J. Bouye.
I hate this time of year because of Mike Glennon.
Allow me to explain. For many football fans, the draft is like opening Christmas presents. It’s a fun process and can help teams get better, though not necessarily right away. For many football fans, the opening of free agency is a huge event too. But too often it becomes a letdown. I fear this year is going to be one of those times.
Glennon is my example of that. I like Mike Glennon. Good guy, really hard worker, might be a good player. Might. But some team, possibly the Bears, is on the verge of paying him like the 20th-best starting quarterback in football. And good for Glennon. He’s been a good soldier in Tampa, just not a very good player. But you can’t begrudge any player for getting real money, and that’s what Glennon is likely to have in his pocket—plus a starting NFL job—by Friday.
Problem is, Glennon hasn’t earned it. It’s not a mirror image, and I do think Glennon has a chance to be good, but I also thought Brock Osweiler had a chance to be good last year at this time … and here’s how Denver Osweiler compared to Tampa Glennon in their respective careers in each spot, with 18 starts by Glennon with the Bucs and seven starts by Osweiler in Denver:
Wasn’t it logical to think Osweiler was going to be the answer in Houston, with a good quarterback mentor in Bill O’Brien? He wasn’t, and the Texans’ cap is so wounded by the signing of Osweiler at $18 million per that it may prevent them from solving the quarterback problem on a team with an extremely good defense.I want to stress this: I do not know if Glennon will be a success or failure at his next team. But why does a team have to pay a player—who has proved nothing—as much as a four-time playoff quarterback? Bengals QB Andy Dalton averages $16 million a season. That’s about where Glennon is likely to end up.
The Osweiler example showed in 2016 that paying a quarterback before he’s proved he deserves it is fool’s gold. I have high regard for Chicago GM Ryan Pace, and the street is filled with reports that it’s Pace who is yearning to sign Glennon. I think Pace is a good long-term builder. But it makes no sense to me to pay Mike Glennon in the neighborhood of players like Alex Smith and Andy Dalton. If you lose Glennon, so be it. Let him go.
Meh... King will come around once he understands that we don't know Glennon is bad.
Your using Peter King as your reference point; when Glennon will be making 3 mil a year less?
All kidding aside, Im far from thrilled about Glennon, but I'm also not near as anxty either. I know you love facts, so here is Bowen's breakdown of Glennon, you know based on facts:
Here's what Matt Bowen wrote up on him:
Mike Glennon tape (2013, 2014): Arm strength jumps off the screen. When throwing from a stable platform, Glennon can fit the ball into tight windows and hit the deep out, dig, seam, corner, fade. Ball comes out clean. And he is going to challenge defensive backs in coverage. Good feel and anticipation off play action too. Find the lane and deliver the ball.
I think Glennon has enough athleticism to produce on sprint and boot action. And he will show the ability to make the occasional off-schedule play. Keeps the eyes down the field. Also works quickly through his progressions and improved reading coverages from Year 1 to Year 2.
When forced to throw from an unstable platform, Glennon lacks accuracy and placement. He will sail some throws and his footwork suffers when the pocket breaks down. Needs to improve mechanics and release versus pressure. Step into throws. And find more touch to drop the ball over the top of second-level defenders.
The way I see it, Glennon needs more reps. That's the key. However, from a coaching perspective, he has the tools to develop.
From Adam Hoge who broke down all his snaps:
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I'm weird & watched all 630 of Mike Glennon's career pass attempts. Writing my thoughts up now, but in short: I get what Pace is thinking.
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Sample: I counted 13 drops in 6 games in 2014. That would adjust Glennon's completion percentage from 57.6 to 64.0. Behind a bad O-line.
While Im not thrilled, I'm HOPING that this is one piece to a larger puzzle and a qb will still be drafted in the first 3 rounds, leading to an open competition of Glennon/Rookie/Shaw. If that happens then the Bears are already better off then they were.
Garoppolo was the best option. IMHO, he is/was the best combination of starter-readiness, youth, NFL-experience, and upside. I really don't care that much about the "price". Say it was NE's newly state demand which is 2 1sts. Well, we paid that for Cutler (plus Orton) SO WHAT? You're up the creek without a QB that can take you to the promised land so who cares? The Bears did what they often do--cheap out on the one indispensable position in the game.
We will likely finish 7-9 or something like that, missing the playoffs yet again, but at least we didn't "overpay", right.
NE decided they couldn't get their price so they kept him, fine. The Glennon thing is moot to me as long as Pace drafts "his guy" next month. Glennon, 95% chance isn't going to be it (and I really hope I'm wrong about him), so get that guy. If Pace whiffs, we are in the NFL wilderness for years.