Maybe a different thread but of the RB I've seen, here is my ranking:
Payton Anderson--would have liked more years from him Forte Jones Howard Harris/Allen/A.Peterson/Thomas
Don't know where to slot Cohen. He's more of a position-less OFF player than a RB.
I'm sure I left someone out, apologies is advance.
Id switch Forte and Anderson, Forte was on some crap teams w/no real help and still put up #'s; but other then that I'd agree.
I had Forte above Anderson but switched them at the last minute because I think Anderson had more 'take it to the house' ability than Forte. Could be the clouds of time though.
Id switch Forte and Anderson, Forte was on some crap teams w/no real help and still put up #'s; but other then that I'd agree.
I had Forte above Anderson but switched them at the last minute because I think Anderson had more 'take it to the house' ability than Forte. Could be the clouds of time though.
I agree with your assessment of Anderson. I always thought he was in the NFL about 15 to 20 years too early. IMO he would have been a perfect back for the Nagy system. And Walter with his option passing skills would have been perfect. But then again Walter would have been perfect in any system.
But Ric is right. Anderson payed behind an OL that was largely the same as the 85 SB team. And Forte was playing behind the clods that we were drafting/signing during the Cutler years.
I had Forte above Anderson but switched them at the last minute because I think Anderson had more 'take it to the house' ability than Forte. Could be the clouds of time though.
I agree with your assessment of Anderson. I always thought he was in the NFL about 15 to 20 years too early. IMO he would have been a perfect back for the Nagy system. And Walter with his option passing skills would have been perfect. But then again Walter would have been perfect in any system.
But Ric is right. Anderson payed behind an OL that was largely the same as the 85 SB team. And Forte was playing behind the clods that we were drafting/signing during the Cutler years.
Id switch Forte and Anderson, Forte was on some crap teams w/no real help and still put up #'s; but other then that I'd agree.
I had Forte above Anderson but switched them at the last minute because I think Anderson had more 'take it to the house' ability than Forte. Could be the clouds of time though.
I dont think you can really go wrong with either but forte was a day 1 starter and showed it from day one and by the end was a positive presence in the locker room to boot. guy did it on and off the field.
maybe Neal did also, but I dont remember hearing it. its possible the coverage just wasn't there to hear about it also
I agree with your assessment of Anderson. I always thought he was in the NFL about 15 to 20 years too early. IMO he would have been a perfect back for the Nagy system. And Walter with his option passing skills would have been perfect. But then again Walter would have been perfect in any system.
But Ric is right. Anderson payed behind an OL that was largely the same as the 85 SB team. And Forte was playing behind the clods that we were drafting/signing during the Cutler years.
Forte would be great for Nagy too.
AFAIR Anderson had better power and was a bit quicker.
AFAIR Anderson had better power and was a bit quicker.
It was so long ago I really had to go back and find some highlights on him. I dont' see a ton of power, he seems to win w/speed and vision. In a 7 min highlight reel you have I think 3 solid runs where he had work through a block. That OL just gave gaping holes to work with he was rarely touched anywhere near the LoS.
Watching both highligh reals, both more then 7min's long. Here is what I saw
Neal: better out of the WR position, faster could make people miss, but rarely had to had good jukes in open field. Forte: made more people miss, broke more tackles, ran through tighter areas ran w/more power and also had good jukes in the open field.
Essentially Neal was faster and a better WR, Forte was a more complete back that could also catch the ball out of the RB position.
Both are way faster then Howard and more complete backs for the current NFL in regards to being a duel threat out of the backfield.
LOL...how is that apples to apples or fact based? Jordan Howard did not run a 40 at the combine. He ran it at his pro day. Combine 40's are laser timed, pro day 40's are not. Apples to apples comparison is therefore pro day to pro day, not pro-day to combine.
Howard had 1 drop this season and 6 drops in 2017. And yes...Howard has more production than Davis does...which makes sense...seeing as how he's played more than Davis has.
Your reading comprehension skills need some sharpening. Speed is relative and relatively speaking on a level playing field, he showed bad speed when compared to his peers.
As for the the second part, I can only find a single source that had him with a single drop in 2018. I do see 3 for Davis, though, on that same site. A 3.7 to 7.1 drop rate respectively.
Just to restate this, I like Davis, but the level of misinformation and hyperbole on his abilities is ridiculous. He’s not "fast" but he is shifty and has a good first step. He’s not Bell out of the backfield but he runs a decent route and has good body control. He’s Dion Lewis.
My reading comprehension is just fine. You want to compare two times that are not the same in circumstances. Again, one time was laser timed, the other was hand timed. The only way to create a fair comparison would be to take the times that were achieved under similar circumstances. Someone wouldn't use the time of a track athlete that was wind aided and say they were faster than another athlete whose time was not wind aided, or was running against the wind. It just doesn't work that way. In this case we have times available for both athletes that were hand timed...yet you don't want to use that, but you're talking about level playing fields...
Any whoo...nobody, I don't think, is claiming Davis is the second coming of Saquan Barkley, but for what this offense wants to do, he fits it better. So if Dion Lewis is the comp you want to use...I'm perfectly fine with that. Dion Lewis would do very well in this offense.
does it? sometimes it takes an injury, see Howard sitting behind Langford until he got hurt. Steve Young had to be traded to have an oppertunity, same w/Farve.
I can tell you with certainty that talent does not always find a way to get opportunities in this league. Draft position matters, GM's matter, coaches matter, incentives in contracts matter. It shouldn't be, but sometimes more than just talent goes into who plays and doesn't play in this league.
Yes, I realize he didn't "fit" the system but both parties should have found a middle ground here. They could've asked Howard to lose some weight and improve his receiving skills (something he did last season) and Nagy, who's still considered an offensive genius by most, could have found a way to use him in a more effective way.
I've said it many times on this board, great coaches can sometimes adapt the playbook or even improvise. Belichick does it all the time. He's always been able to get the most out of players whether they fit the system or not, that's why he's been so successful.
Like him or not, Howard is an extremely talented player which is why they shouldn't have given up on him so quickly. IMO you don't get rid of great players just because they're not 100% what you're looking for. And yes, this created a hole. We went from having one of the best RB duos in the league to a big question mark. I sure hope we draft a good replacement because Cohen and Davis (who's got six TDs in four years) are not gonna cut it.
Am I surprised by the move? No. Am I disappointed? You bet.
W/ that being said, nothing we can do here so I think it's best to just move on and look forward.
I don't disagree...and I think as the season went on Nagy found a way to use Howard. But once the season ended I think he determined he'd rather have a guy who he didn't have to change his offense for and didn't make play calling so predictable. We'll see how it works out.