does it? sometimes it takes an injury, see Howard sitting behind Langford until he got hurt. Steve Young had to be traded to have an oppertunity, same w/Farve.
Thanks for helping my point by forgetting history. Howard was already working his way into the rotation and pushing the higher picked sophomore Langford by the end of the preseason and would have inevitably overtaken him anyway. Regardless, he still totaled more yards his rookie season after two games than Davis did his entire rookie season despite being part of a very injured backfield. The opportunity was very much there both his rookie and sophomore season and he did jack shit with it.
Here are the facts behind that history. In his rookie year he was behind Carlos Hyde, who was a second round pick, and Reggie Bush. In the second game of the season, with Bush out Davis got 7 carries, same for the third & he added 3 targets & 1 reception. Bush is back for the 3rd, and 4th game. 5th game Davis is the only other back to get a carry other than Hyde. Bush is back for the 6th game. In that 6th game Hyde was hurt and goes on IR. In week 7 Davis leads the team in attempts...he also breaks his hand in that game and goes on IR. So, just when he was poised to take over, he got hurt. 2016, a new coaching staff comes in, Hyde was relatively healthy, so he didn't really have an opportunity to over take him at that point.
So, yes, the backfield was very injured his rookie year, and just as he got his shot...he got injured. His sophomore season, that wasn't the case.
Your reading comprehension skills need some sharpening. Speed is relative and relatively speaking on a level playing field, he showed bad speed when compared to his peers.
As for the the second part, I can only find a single source that had him with a single drop in 2018. I do see 3 for Davis, though, on that same site. A 3.7 to 7.1 drop rate respectively.
Just to restate this, I like Davis, but the level of misinformation and hyperbole on his abilities is ridiculous. He’s not "fast" but he is shifty and has a good first step. He’s not Bell out of the backfield but he runs a decent route and has good body control. He’s Dion Lewis.
My reading comprehension is just fine. You want to compare two times that are not the same in circumstances. Again, one time was laser timed, the other was hand timed. The only way to create a fair comparison would be to take the times that were achieved under similar circumstances. Someone wouldn't use the time of a track athlete that was wind aided and say they were faster than another athlete whose time was not wind aided, or was running against the wind. It just doesn't work that way. In this case we have times available for both athletes that were hand timed...yet you don't want to use that, but you're talking about level playing fields...
Any whoo...nobody, I don't think, is claiming Davis is the second coming of Saquan Barkley, but for what this offense wants to do, he fits it better. So if Dion Lewis is the comp you want to use...I'm perfectly fine with that. Dion Lewis would do very well in this offense.
Thanks for helping my point by forgetting history. Howard was already working his way into the rotation and pushing the higher picked sophomore Langford by the end of the preseason and would have inevitably overtaken him anyway. Regardless, he still totaled more yards his rookie season after two games than Davis did his entire rookie season despite being part of a very injured backfield. The opportunity was very much there both his rookie and sophomore season and he did jack shit with it.
Here are the facts behind that history. In his rookie year he was behind Carlos Hyde, who was a second round pick, and Reggie Bush. In the second game of the season, with Bush out Davis got 7 carries, same for the third & he added 3 targets & 1 reception. Bush is back for the 3rd, and 4th game. 5th game Davis is the only other back to get a carry other than Hyde. Bush is back for the 6th game. In that 6th game Hyde was hurt and goes on IR. In week 7 Davis leads the team in attempts...he also breaks his hand in that game and goes on IR. So, just when he was poised to take over, he got hurt. 2016, a new coaching staff comes in, Hyde was relatively healthy, so he didn't really have an opportunity to over take him at that point.
So, yes, the backfield was very injured his rookie year, and just as he got his shot...he got injured. His sophomore season, that wasn't the case.
Here's all I gotta say about this debate, the two years Davis was with SF that you two are debating are teams coached by Jim Tomsula and Chip Kelly. Hard to reason he was evaluated properly and/or used best to maximize his talents. I don't know if you extrapolate much from his time with SF. If you look at a team with a quality coach, he did just fine with Seattle and improved each season with them.
My reading comprehension is just fine. You want to compare two times that are not the same in circumstances. Again, one time was laser timed, the other was hand timed. The only way to create a fair comparison would be to take the times that were achieved under similar circumstances. Someone wouldn't use the time of a track athlete that was wind aided and say they were faster than another athlete whose time was not wind aided, or was running against the wind. It just doesn't work that way. In this case we have times available for both athletes that were hand timed...yet you don't want to use that, but you're talking about level playing fields...
Any whoo...nobody, I don't think, is claiming Davis is the second coming of Saquan Barkley, but for what this offense wants to do, he fits it better. So if Dion Lewis is the comp you want to use...I'm perfectly fine with that. Dion Lewis would do very well in this offense.
No, it really isn’t.
Ok then...good talk. You go on and keep comparing two totally different things and call it a fair comparison...whatever works for you..I'll keep on knowing what I know.
Here are the facts behind that history. In his rookie year he was behind Carlos Hyde, who was a second round pick, and Reggie Bush. In the second game of the season, with Bush out Davis got 7 carries, same for the third & he added 3 targets & 1 reception. Bush is back for the 3rd, and 4th game. 5th game Davis is the only other back to get a carry other than Hyde. Bush is back for the 6th game. In that 6th game Hyde was hurt and goes on IR. In week 7 Davis leads the team in attempts...he also breaks his hand in that game and goes on IR. So, just when he was poised to take over, he got hurt. 2016, a new coaching staff comes in, Hyde was relatively healthy, so he didn't really have an opportunity to over take him at that point.
So, yes, the backfield was very injured his rookie year, and just as he got his shot...he got injured. His sophomore season, that wasn't the case.
Here's all I gotta say about this debate, the two years Davis was with SF that you two are debating are teams coached by Jim Tomsula and Chip Kelly. Hard to reason he was evaluated properly and/or used best to maximize his talents. I don't know if you extrapolate much from his time with SF. If you look at a team with a quality coach, he did just fine with Seattle and improved each season with them.
Id switch Forte and Anderson, Forte was on some crap teams w/no real help and still put up #'s; but other then that I'd agree.
I had Forte above Anderson but switched them at the last minute because I think Anderson had more 'take it to the house' ability than Forte. Could be the clouds of time though.
late in his career Neal covered up and lost a lot of vision. i also think playing with Brad Muster and Thornton helped him. Forte played well on good and bad teams so he gets the nod from me, but Neal was more explosive and a better receiver early in his career.
I had Forte above Anderson but switched them at the last minute because I think Anderson had more 'take it to the house' ability than Forte. Could be the clouds of time though.
late in his career Neal covered up and lost a lot of vision. i also think playing with Brad Muster and Thornton helped him. Forte played well on good and bad teams so he gets the nod from me, but Neal was more explosive and a better receiver early in his career.
I posted highlights of both, and that's what I noticed. he was faster and a better WR(not by a lot) but never really needed to use power as the OL and FB just made gaping holes for him.
Forte broke more tackles and made more out of smaller holes, but wasn't as fast; and while he was used in the WR position, not as much as Neal was.
late in his career Neal covered up and lost a lot of vision. i also think playing with Brad Muster and Thornton helped him. Forte played well on good and bad teams so he gets the nod from me, but Neal was more explosive and a better receiver early in his career.
I posted highlights of both, and that's what I noticed. he was faster and a better WR(not by a lot) but never really needed to use power as the OL and FB just made gaping holes for him.
Forte broke more tackles and made more out of smaller holes, but wasn't as fast; and while he was used in the WR position, not as much as Neal was.
Bortz was the guy opening lanes for him NOT Robocop. James was cool guy when i met him as a kid but he was never the player he looked like he could be. Still more productive in his first two years than Shaheen.
Good thread and it helps expose how Howard limited Nagy and the Bears. And how he actually hurt the OL b/c the Def knew when he was in what was going to happen; there was no guessing there was no illusion w/Howard in.