Post by vickashley on Sept 16, 2017 8:21:53 GMT -6
This "Sports" "Mockery" website looks like FAKE NEWS with every article and story or little write-up I have ever read, ever and literally most every article ever they publish is just a copy and plagiarized version of an article already run by a legitimate and established sporting news outlet prior to appearing on "Sports-Mockery." I will never understand how the owners of that site don't get sued and thrown in jail for blatant plagiarism and willfull-stealing of someone else's ideas and writings because it's NOT their intellectual property and when they DO actually write something original that they made up themselves it's not even very supported by actual facts it's just conjecture and subjective speculation I mean are you kidding me? People aren't watching the games on TV because of MIKE GLENNON??? You could just as easily say that people aren't watching the games because JAY CUTLER is no longer playing for the Bears or that people are no longer watching games because they have to wash their mother's cats and ferrets (I legitimately did not watch the 4th preseason game after the 2nd quarter for this very reason so **** YOU "Sports-Mockery" you don't know what the **** you are talking about!!!!)
I can tell you my reasoning: I just believe having Trubs played so few games in college, he needs some time to adjust his body and mind to NFL, learn the playbook and just observe for a few weeks. Then in maybe 4th week I would give him a few drives per half. If it goes well, after the bye hes our starter
The Bears run, I know most won't agree, but a very complex O where the QB and WR will change reads/routes at the line based on Def's set ups. Go watch the brett kollmann breakdown of Balt vs Cincy, Balt is baiting Dalton into throws, and sometimes technically good decisions are wrong b/c of great def plays. Now go watch Hou vs Cincy, Watson(also super athletic) is getting baited constantly by the Bengals, and he's still hit 4 tims for all his mobility.
My guess is the earliest Trubs starts is when the schedule gets a lot weaker and he has a full understanding of the playbook and how nfl def's work. That's mostly film study. The kid is talent ready but his head isn't; let that catch up and he'll be fine.
A lot of people here are forgetting the preseason game against Tennessee. He needs to learn to get the ball off on time and read the def. He does have the talent.
In a theringer.com article about developing QBs, both Rogers and Rives said sitting for awhile helped them learn how to be a QB (running a huddle, learning how to study film, etc) but there comes a point (for Rivers it was 1/2 way through his rookie year) where both felt their development had slowed. Without meaningful reps and live game action there is no way to actually develop as a professional QB.
In a theringer.com article about developing QBs, both Rogers and Rives said sitting for awhile helped them learn how to be a QB (running a huddle, learning how to study film, etc) but there comes a point (for Rivers it was 1/2 way through his rookie year) where both felt their development had slowed. Without meaningful reps and live game action there is no way to actually develop as a professional QB.
Each NFL QB is different.
Obviously. But can't that be said right back to those poster who say that Mitch has to sit? Every QB is different. I'm justing pointing out that two of the examples thrown out there as reasons to sit Mitch said that nothing substitutes for meaningful reps and game action. According to Rivers at some point he wasn't becoming better, he had slowed down in his development.
Is Mitch ready to go in now? Don't know, none of us know.
That's quite possibly true but then he also knew that Fox would have a coronary if he was forced to play a rookie. I'll grant that Glennon's size and arm strength give him an advantage over Hoyer but in this offense it doesn't look like arm strength will make much difference and that aside he's not all that accurate downfield anyway.
Maybe the more puzzling thing was why Pace offered him as much as he did when TB was only willing to offer $8 mil for one year. We can forget about the $45 mil because he's never gonna see that but what he will see is $18.5 mil for one years work. There's no way he's gonna get $15 mil in 2018 as the #2 so either we trade him if we can, cut him and eat the rest of his $4.5 mil guarantee, or Pace gets him to accept something far less than $15 mil to stick around as the #2.
That last option I wouldn't mind so much if we can't do better but I'm not sure we can't. With as many top QBs ranked to go high next year that tells me some others are gonna be looking for work.
I wonder, when you get to Glennon's and Osweiler's size as a QB, if it doesn't start to be a DISadvantage rather than a plus. It seems like both of those guys are awkward and non-agile in the pocket and both have big. slow windups and deliveries. They also both have serious accuracy issues in doing the little stuff--hitting the receiver in stride, getting the ball to the correct shoulder, etc.
That's the biggest reason why I was pounding the table for Trubisky here pre-draft. Accuracy (and I mean more than just completion % but also fine-tune accuracy) is huge and Mitchell has it. Lack of accuracy is highly correlated to failure in the NFL and it rarely is something that can be improved with a conditioning program or "coached up" like other facets of QB play.
I'm over the Glennon experiment. It was wasted money but fine I get that they wanted a younger guy than Hoyer who might have some serious upside. They took a shot and missed the mark. As I said earlier, Sunday was pretty much PEAK GLENNON. He isn't going to suddenly or gradually get much better. He can manage a game with a bland low-scoring offense and lose respectably. He can probably beat some teams if the defense or STs makes a few big plays (the type he's not capable of). But that's it. Even if you think this season is pre-destined to be nothing more than 6-10 anyway, let's get Trubisky in there to make his rookie mistakes and gain some experience so we aren't in this same boat next September when we better be making a playoff run.
There's probably something to that. You don't usually see 6'8" point guards in basketball or 6'8" shortstops in baseball where quickness is at a premium. But you do see 6'8" pitchers who can hum a 100 mph fastball. But that takes a windup and a very long arm motion. Maybe Glennon should try out for the Cubs next spring. LOL
I also agree that what we saw from Glennon last Sunday is about all we can expect. That's probably good enough to win a few games against bottom fishers like ourselves but not the better teams. Like any decent #2 you hope that guy might win 50%-60% of his starts when he has to play. Without a better passing game I'm not sure Glennon could even do that well. He processes slow and he has a very slow release and when compared with Trubisky that's very apparent.
I'm not at all concerned with the W/L record this year beyond being bad enough to get Fox fired but sooner as opposed to later I do think Trubisky and the team in general will benefit by him playing and making those mistakes he's bound to make while he matures now when it really doesn't matter because by next season if this team isn't winning more then losing a whole lot more fans are gonna begin to tune out on TV and stay away from games or simply sell their tickets.
I hate to look back on the past because it can't be changed but I can't help but think I'm not the only one whose asking why we fired only the second winning HC we've had since Halas gave it up in 1968 after a 10-6 season only to end up like this. That's twice since 1983 the McCaskey's have done that and immediately following those firings the team went into a decade of being lost in morass of crappy coaching and losing teams. Enough is enough.
This "Sports" "Mockery" website looks like FAKE NEWS with every article and story or little write-up I have ever read, ever and literally most every article ever they publish is just a copy and plagiarized version of an article already run by a legitimate and established sporting news outlet prior to appearing on "Sports-Mockery." I will never understand how the owners of that site don't get sued and thrown in jail for blatant plagiarism and willfull-stealing of someone else's ideas and writings because it's NOT their intellectual property and when they DO actually write something original that they made up themselves it's not even very supported by actual facts it's just conjecture and subjective speculation I mean are you kidding me? People aren't watching the games on TV because of MIKE GLENNON??? You could just as easily say that people aren't watching the games because JAY CUTLER is no longer playing for the Bears or that people are no longer watching games because they have to wash their mother's cats and ferrets (I legitimately did not watch the 4th preseason game after the 2nd quarter for this very reason so **** YOU "Sports-Mockery" you don't know what the **** you are talking about!!!!)
Speak softly and carry a big stick oh, and Calm down, Vick.
I wonder, when you get to Glennon's and Osweiler's size as a QB, if it doesn't start to be a DISadvantage rather than a plus. It seems like both of those guys are awkward and non-agile in the pocket and both have big. slow windups and deliveries. They also both have serious accuracy issues in doing the little stuff--hitting the receiver in stride, getting the ball to the correct shoulder, etc.
That's the biggest reason why I was pounding the table for Trubisky here pre-draft. Accuracy (and I mean more than just completion % but also fine-tune accuracy) is huge and Mitchell has it. Lack of accuracy is highly correlated to failure in the NFL and it rarely is something that can be improved with a conditioning program or "coached up" like other facets of QB play.
I'm over the Glennon experiment. It was wasted money but fine I get that they wanted a younger guy than Hoyer who might have some serious upside. They took a shot and missed the mark. As I said earlier, Sunday was pretty much PEAK GLENNON. He isn't going to suddenly or gradually get much better. He can manage a game with a bland low-scoring offense and lose respectably. He can probably beat some teams if the defense or STs makes a few big plays (the type he's not capable of). But that's it. Even if you think this season is pre-destined to be nothing more than 6-10 anyway, let's get Trubisky in there to make his rookie mistakes and gain some experience so we aren't in this same boat next September when we better be making a playoff run.
There's probably something to that. You don't usually see 6'8" point guards in basketball or 6'8" shortstops in baseball where quickness is at a premium. But you do see 6'8" pitchers who can hum a 100 mph fastball. But that takes a windup and a very long arm motion. Maybe Glennon should try out for the Cubs next spring. LOL
I also agree that what we saw from Glennon last Sunday is about all we can expect. That's probably good enough to win a few games against bottom fishers like ourselves but not the better teams. Like any decent #2 you hope that guy might win 50%-60% of his starts when he has to play. Without a better passing game I'm not sure Glennon could even do that well. He processes slow and he has a very slow release and when compared with Trubisky that's very apparent.
I'm not at all concerned with the W/L record this year beyond being bad enough to get Fox fired but sooner as opposed to later I do think Trubisky and the team in general will benefit by him playing and making those mistakes he's bound to make while he matures now when it really doesn't matter because by next season if this team isn't winning more then losing a whole lot more fans are gonna begin to tune out on TV and stay away from games or simply sell their tickets.
I hate to look back on the past because it can't be changed but I can't help but think I'm not the only one whose asking why we fired only the second winning HC we've had since Halas gave it up in 1968 after a 10-6 season only to end up like this. That's twice since 1983 the McCaskey's have done that and immediately following those firings the team went into a decade of being lost in morass of crappy coaching and losing teams. Enough is enough.
I don't have a problem with the firing of Lovie who was after all presiding over the last vestiges of what was once a great D in his final year. We were likely headed for a decline either way IMO as years of poor drafting had left the shelves bare of talent as Briggs, Urlacher, Peppers, and Tillman were nearing the end of their careers. It's not as if Lovie went on to renewed success in his next stop at Tampa and he's now reduced to coaching a garbage college program that hasn't sniffed a bowl game in years.
The problem was Emery hired a moronic replacement when a much better one was available and wanted the job (Arians/Bowles >>> Trestman/Tucker) and compounded that mistake by whiffing horrifically on virtually every defensive draft pick and signing he made. McClellin DJ Williams Bostic Vereen Greene Fuller (until just recently) Hardin Ferguson Sutton Jared Allen
Were all pretty much spectacular busts and even the 2nd best offense in the NFL in Trestman's first year couldn't save us.
There's probably something to that. You don't usually see 6'8" point guards in basketball or 6'8" shortstops in baseball where quickness is at a premium. But you do see 6'8" pitchers who can hum a 100 mph fastball. But that takes a windup and a very long arm motion. Maybe Glennon should try out for the Cubs next spring. LOL
I also agree that what we saw from Glennon last Sunday is about all we can expect. That's probably good enough to win a few games against bottom fishers like ourselves but not the better teams. Like any decent #2 you hope that guy might win 50%-60% of his starts when he has to play. Without a better passing game I'm not sure Glennon could even do that well. He processes slow and he has a very slow release and when compared with Trubisky that's very apparent.
I'm not at all concerned with the W/L record this year beyond being bad enough to get Fox fired but sooner as opposed to later I do think Trubisky and the team in general will benefit by him playing and making those mistakes he's bound to make while he matures now when it really doesn't matter because by next season if this team isn't winning more then losing a whole lot more fans are gonna begin to tune out on TV and stay away from games or simply sell their tickets.
I hate to look back on the past because it can't be changed but I can't help but think I'm not the only one whose asking why we fired only the second winning HC we've had since Halas gave it up in 1968 after a 10-6 season only to end up like this. That's twice since 1983 the McCaskey's have done that and immediately following those firings the team went into a decade of being lost in morass of crappy coaching and losing teams. Enough is enough.
I don't have a problem with the firing of Lovie who was after all presiding over the last vestiges of what was once a great D in his final year. We were likely headed for a decline either way IMO as years of poor drafting had left the shelves bare of talent as Briggs, Urlacher, Peppers, and Tillman were nearing the end of their careers. It's not as if Lovie went on to renewed success in his next stop at Tampa and he's now reduced to coaching a garbage college program that hasn't sniffed a bowl game in years.
The problem was Emery hired a moronic replacement when a much better one was available and wanted the job (Arians/Bowles >>> Trestman/Tucker) and compounded that mistake by whiffing horrifically on virtually every defensive draft pick and signing he made. McClellin DJ Williams Bostic Vereen Greene Fuller (until just recently) Hardin Ferguson Sutton Jared Allen
Were all pretty much spectacular busts and even the 2nd best offense in the NFL in Trestman's first year couldn't save us.
I'll just fall back on the basic summation of the Hippocratic Oath which seems to be "First Do No Harm" and every time the McCaskey's have decided just winning wasn't quite enough they've done tremendous harm. So it's less about firing Lovie or Ditka at times when the team was headed somewhat downward already but more the fact that their continued inept management did manage to make things worse, far worse.
You'll get no argument from me about Emery being a poor choice for GM but let's no overlook the rumors that many top NFL execs will not even consider working for the Bears as long as Ted Phillips is the President/CEO. A guy at the level of a Jim Finks when Halas hired him isn't gonna come here to work under Ted Phillips and have any less than 100% control of all football related matters and no matter what the story is out of Halas Hall I don't think that's the case nor will it even be while Teddy Bears and the McCaskey's preside at the very top.
Remember Finks authority even surpassed that of Mugs Halas who was the team President when Finks was hired. Only GSH himself had more authority and he was smart enough to defer to Finks until the Ditka hire which then caused Finks to resign. Since the very day the McCaskey's inherited that team no one has ever had that kind of control again. In fact one of Mikey's first moves following winning the Super Bowl was to fire Jerry Vainisi, a guy who been instrumental in building that team, as GM and replaced him with himself. We all know how that ended up.
The bottom line for me is these people make tons of money from their inheritance but they haven't the foggiest idea of how to build and maintain a winning NFL team. Over 30 years of history confirms that.
I might be a little more forgiving today had they finally decided to make some honest changes at the top once Emery was fired and have Phillips put out to pasture as a CEO and stepped back themselves after turning the team over to a Finks like exec who could rebuild the team and keep it on top but they didn't and they won't. They've already declared on more than one occasion that they know more about running the team than anyone else and if they meant running it into the ground THAT would be the ONLY part of that statement that's true. They couldn't or wouldn't even get out of their own way in hiring this HC but I've already spoken my piece about that so there's no sense in beating a dead horse. It is what it is for now.
The only hope I have left is that Ryan Pace proves to right enough long enough to eventually become indispensable to them and he's able to wrest ultimate control from Phillips and GMcC. Until that day comes I don't expect all that much to change. They may become "competitive" whatever that means but I believe they've already gotten Bears fans to be willing to settle for far less than they should. It's just that I'm not one of those. I won't settle for "competitive" as they like to define it. This team hasn't lost me yet but I'm not simply sitting in my seat accepting what they hand out either. I'm up, on my feet, and headed for the door.
I don't have a problem with the firing of Lovie who was after all presiding over the last vestiges of what was once a great D in his final year. We were likely headed for a decline either way IMO as years of poor drafting had left the shelves bare of talent as Briggs, Urlacher, Peppers, and Tillman were nearing the end of their careers. It's not as if Lovie went on to renewed success in his next stop at Tampa and he's now reduced to coaching a garbage college program that hasn't sniffed a bowl game in years.
The problem was Emery hired a moronic replacement when a much better one was available and wanted the job (Arians/Bowles >>> Trestman/Tucker) and compounded that mistake by whiffing horrifically on virtually every defensive draft pick and signing he made. McClellin DJ Williams Bostic Vereen Greene Fuller (until just recently) Hardin Ferguson Sutton Jared Allen
Were all pretty much spectacular busts and even the 2nd best offense in the NFL in Trestman's first year couldn't save us.
I'll just fall back on the basic summation of the Hippocratic Oath which seems to be "First Do No Harm" and every time the McCaskey's have decided just winning wasn't quite enough they've done tremendous harm. So it's less about firing Lovie or Ditka at times when the team was headed somewhat downward already but more the fact that their continued inept management did manage to make things worse, far worse.
You'll get no argument from me about Emery being a poor choice for GM but let's no overlook the rumors that many top NFL execs will not even consider working for the Bears as long as Ted Phillips is the President/CEO. A guy at the level of a Jim Finks when Halas hired him isn't gonna come here to work under Ted Phillips and have any less than 100% control of all football related matters and no matter what the story is out of Halas Hall I don't think that's the case nor will it even be while Teddy Bears and the McCaskey's preside at the very top.
Remember Finks authority even surpassed that of Mugs Halas who was the team President when Finks was hired. Only GSH himself had more authority and he was smart enough to defer to Finks until the Ditka hire which then caused Finks to resign. Since the very day the McCaskey's inherited that team no one has ever had that kind of control again. In fact one of Mikey's first moves following winning the Super Bowl was to fire Jerry Vainisi, a guy who been instrumental in building that team, as GM and replaced him with himself. We all know how that ended up.
The bottom line for me is these people make tons of money from their inheritance but they haven't the foggiest idea of how to build and maintain a winning NFL team. Over 30 years of history confirms that.
I might be a little more forgiving today had they finally decided to make some honest changes at the top once Emery was fired and have Phillips put out to pasture as a CEO and stepped back themselves after turning the team over to a Finks like exec who could rebuild the team and keep it on top but they didn't and they won't. They've already declared on more than one occasion that they know more about running the team than anyone else and if they meant running it into the ground THAT would be the ONLY part of that statement that's true. They couldn't or wouldn't even get out of their own way in hiring this HC but I've already spoken my piece about that so there's no sense in beating a dead horse. It is what it is for now.
The only hope I have left is that Ryan Pace proves to right enough long enough to eventually become indispensable to them and he's able to wrest ultimate control from Phillips and GMcC. Until that day comes I don't expect all that much to change. They may become "competitive" whatever that means but I believe they've already gotten Bears fans to be willing to settle for far less than they should. It's just that I'm not one of those. I won't settle for "competitive" as they like to define it. This team hasn't lost me yet but I'm not simply sitting in my seat accepting what they hand out either. I'm up, on my feet, and headed for the door.
What exactly does the "Hippocratic Oath" have to do with anything here please, can you help me understand because I read your whole post and I always thought that the "Hippocratic Oath" was a vow that Medical Doctors take and it's like a moral and ethical thing for helping patients with medical ailments and always treating them no matter why even if you are like a black doctor and the patient is a Nazi skinhead but nothing like having to do with bears players or the front office as far as I can see, makes no sense to me so what is the explanation for beginning a post talking about a physician's vow to keep people healthy and save lives when it's about a football team?
I'll just fall back on the basic summation of the Hippocratic Oath which seems to be "First Do No Harm" and every time the McCaskey's have decided just winning wasn't quite enough they've done tremendous harm. So it's less about firing Lovie or Ditka at times when the team was headed somewhat downward already but more the fact that their continued inept management did manage to make things worse, far worse.
You'll get no argument from me about Emery being a poor choice for GM but let's no overlook the rumors that many top NFL execs will not even consider working for the Bears as long as Ted Phillips is the President/CEO. A guy at the level of a Jim Finks when Halas hired him isn't gonna come here to work under Ted Phillips and have any less than 100% control of all football related matters and no matter what the story is out of Halas Hall I don't think that's the case nor will it even be while Teddy Bears and the McCaskey's preside at the very top.
Remember Finks authority even surpassed that of Mugs Halas who was the team President when Finks was hired. Only GSH himself had more authority and he was smart enough to defer to Finks until the Ditka hire which then caused Finks to resign. Since the very day the McCaskey's inherited that team no one has ever had that kind of control again. In fact one of Mikey's first moves following winning the Super Bowl was to fire Jerry Vainisi, a guy who been instrumental in building that team, as GM and replaced him with himself. We all know how that ended up.
The bottom line for me is these people make tons of money from their inheritance but they haven't the foggiest idea of how to build and maintain a winning NFL team. Over 30 years of history confirms that.
I might be a little more forgiving today had they finally decided to make some honest changes at the top once Emery was fired and have Phillips put out to pasture as a CEO and stepped back themselves after turning the team over to a Finks like exec who could rebuild the team and keep it on top but they didn't and they won't. They've already declared on more than one occasion that they know more about running the team than anyone else and if they meant running it into the ground THAT would be the ONLY part of that statement that's true. They couldn't or wouldn't even get out of their own way in hiring this HC but I've already spoken my piece about that so there's no sense in beating a dead horse. It is what it is for now.
The only hope I have left is that Ryan Pace proves to right enough long enough to eventually become indispensable to them and he's able to wrest ultimate control from Phillips and GMcC. Until that day comes I don't expect all that much to change. They may become "competitive" whatever that means but I believe they've already gotten Bears fans to be willing to settle for far less than they should. It's just that I'm not one of those. I won't settle for "competitive" as they like to define it. This team hasn't lost me yet but I'm not simply sitting in my seat accepting what they hand out either. I'm up, on my feet, and headed for the door.
What exactly does the "Hippocratic Oath" have to do with anything here please, can you help me understand because I read your whole post and I always thought that the "Hippocratic Oath" was a vow that Medical Doctors take and it's like a moral and ethical thing for helping patients with medical ailments and always treating them no matter why even if you are like a black doctor and the patient is a Nazi skinhead but nothing like having to do with bears players or the front office as far as I can see, makes no sense to me so what is the explanation for beginning a post talking about a physician's vow to keep people healthy and save lives when it's about a football team?
The term "First Do No Harm" is often attributed to being in the text of the Hippocratic Oath when it's actually not. It's a derivative of phrases that do appear in the oath and elsewhere in Hippocratic teaching that imply that caution is to be observed at all times in healing. It's sometimes used as a euphemism for one part of the oath not as a substitute for it in it's entirety. What you've posted also applies to it as well I simply used that part which I applied to the McCaskey's tendencies to make things worse in the process of trying to make them better.
Didn't my first sentence tie that caution into what my post was about? It was used in a quote of mp's post and I knew he'd realize what I was getting at. That's how I tied it in to the rest of my points about the mismanagement under the McCaskeys. Does it make sense now?
I'll just fall back on the basic summation of a key part the Hippocratic Oath which is "First Do No Harm" and every time the McCaskey's have decided just winning wasn't quite enough they've done tremendous harm.
It is often said that the phrase "First do no harm" (Latin: Primum non nocere) is a part of the Hippocratic oath. The phrase as such does not appear in the oath, although the oath does contain Latin: ... noxamvero et maleficium propulsabo (Also ... I will utterly reject harm and mischief).[4] The phrase "primum non nocere" is believed to date from the 17th century (see detailed discussion in the article on the phrase).
Another equivalent phrase is found in Epidemics, Book I, of the Hippocratic school: "Practice two things in your dealings with disease: either help or do not harm the patient".[5] The exact phrase is believed to have originated with the 19th-century surgeon Thomas Inman.[6]