I rather we draft similar to what the Raiders did.
1st round: Khalil Mack ( Jonathan Allen ) 2nd round: Derek Carr ( Patrick Mahomes II )
I just want us to get a QB that is going to be able to lead us to victories and I am willing to spend the #3 on him because I think we have no more important needs. But I don't pretend to know that a guy that is less in demand might not be the better QB. If we can get the right guy in the second and use the 1st for someone like Allen, I think we would all be ecstatic. But I just don't want to miss the building we really need at QB even if it means passing up on a guy like Allen. We HAVE to fix QB.
I disagree about the lack of important needs.
Our DBs are a huge need. Not one player on our secondary I can comfortably say should be a starter next year. We also need more help up front. Our pass rush hasn't been the greatest. Allen does great against both the run and the pass.
I rather we draft similar to what the Raiders did.
1st round: Khalil Mack ( Jonathan Allen ) 2nd round: Derek Carr ( Patrick Mahomes II )
With the theory that there is a Carr in the 2nd? You think the bust rate is high for qb's taken in the 1st, what do you think happens w/qb's taken in the mid rounds? btw Mahomes is going to go in the 1st. Pitt needs a qb, Jets need a QB, and if Minny loses Bridgewater they'll need one also. not that all of them will take a qb, but it only takes a few teams that need one to grab them.
Is it confirm that Ben is retiring?
Minny doesn't have a 1st round pick.
Didn't the Jets just draft a QB last year? I don't think they be willing to reach for a QB so early. Maybe a tackle to replace D'Brickashaw Ferguson.
I just want us to get a QB that is going to be able to lead us to victories and I am willing to spend the #3 on him because I think we have no more important needs. But I don't pretend to know that a guy that is less in demand might not be the better QB. If we can get the right guy in the second and use the 1st for someone like Allen, I think we would all be ecstatic. But I just don't want to miss the building we really need at QB even if it means passing up on a guy like Allen. We HAVE to fix QB.
I disagree about the lack of important needs.
Our DBs are a huge need. Not one player on our secondary I can comfortably say should be a starter next year. We also need more help up front. Our pass rush hasn't been the greatest. Allen does great against both the run and the pass.
I believe a franchise QB will make a MUCH more significant difference for our team than even having a top secondary. I am not belittling the need to fix our secondary. It blows. I just think the priority is QB. I think you fix all that and then still can't score, you don't get very far anyway.
With the theory that there is a Carr in the 2nd? You think the bust rate is high for qb's taken in the 1st, what do you think happens w/qb's taken in the mid rounds? btw Mahomes is going to go in the 1st. Pitt needs a qb, Jets need a QB, and if Minny loses Bridgewater they'll need one also. not that all of them will take a qb, but it only takes a few teams that need one to grab them.
Is it confirm that Ben is retiring?
Minny doesn't have a 1st round pick.
Didn't the Jets just draft a QB last year? I don't think they be willing to reach for a QB so early. Maybe a tackle to replace D'Brickashaw Ferguson.
Ben has stated he's seriously thinking about retiring(14 years in the league), so ya i think Pitt will now seriously start looking into it. Even if he plays another year, Pitt isn't going to want to play the Chicago game and ignore the QB position until they don't have one on the roster.
Yes they did, and by all accounts he cannot play, like cannot hit WR's even in practice, so if you don't have 1 qb, you dont' have any right?
Minny your right doesn't have one. So lets remove them, and add in Wash, IF they trade Cousins, which is a possibility for some reason. As well as NO's, who is trying to work out a contract now, but again this is a guy that's been in the league 15+ years, they have to look into his eventual replacement.
What about Arizona, and the Jags and Buffalo? Again it only takes 1 or 2 of these teams to decide to grab THE most important position. 4 qb's taken in the 1st would be nothing in the first 32 picks w/the kind of deficit there is at that position.
San Fran...what a shit show! That guy must hate money. Gave both Lynch and Shannahan a 6 year deal! LOL
Anyway, saw a rumor that Garrapalo may be in play in San Fran...we'll see.
I would croak if the Patriots ended up with that #2 pick of the first round. San Fran is stupid enough to do that too. A rube is born every minute. And Belichick loves taking draft picks from the ignorant. The rich just keep getting richer.
If the Patriots do get the #2 pick I would be willing to bet they wouldn't take a QB in this years draft. They aren't that stupid even if Brady were to say he wants to play just 1 more season.
I would croak if the Patriots ended up with that #2 pick of the first round. San Fran is stupid enough to do that too. A rube is born every minute. And Belichick loves taking draft picks from the ignorant. The rich just keep getting richer.
If the Patriots do get the #2 pick I would be willing to bet they wouldn't take a QB in this years draft. They aren't that stupid even if Brady were to say he wants to play just 1 more season.
+1 Belichick would get a great player with the pick, and then just grab a QB in another round like he did Garoppolo - to groom and sell to the next rube GM and get another payback on THAT investment. BTW, the Pats already have their #2 QB for next year in Jacoby Brissett, a 3rd round pick out of North Carolina State. Brissett was the 5th QB taken in that draft. Fifth QB taken.
Garoppolo was also the 5th QB taken the year Belichick drafted him.
Belichick usually ends up with one of the worst draft positions in the entire NFL - year after year after year. After Super Bowl win years, he is dead last. Yet he always has a strong roster of talent. Teams like the Browns draft at or near the top year after year after year. They are crap.
It's not the draft position. We have seen how this works. It's having a guy with a brilliant draft mind pulling the draft trigger. Tom Brady out for 4 games to start the 2016 season. No problem. Belichick just trots another QB out there and keeps on winning. When Brady retires they won't miss a beat. Honestly, I could see them in the Super Bowl the next year after Brady retires.
If the Patriots do get the #2 pick I would be willing to bet they wouldn't take a QB in this years draft. They aren't that stupid even if Brady were to say he wants to play just 1 more season.
+1 Belichick would get a great player with the pick, and then just grab a QB in another round like he did Garoppolo - to groom and sell to the next rube GM and get another payback on THAT investment. BTW, the Pats already have their #2 QB for next year in Jacoby Brissett, a 3rd round pick out of North Carolina State. Brissett was the 5th QB taken in that draft. Fifth QB taken.
Garoppolo was also the 5th QB taken the year Belichick drafted him.
Belichick usually ends up with one of the worst draft positions in the entire NFL - year after year after year. After Super Bowl win years, he is dead last. Yet he always has a strong roster of talent. Teams like the Browns draft at or near the top year after year after year. They are crap.
It's not the draft position. We have seen how this works. It's having a guy with a brilliant draft mind pulling the draft trigger. Tom Brady out for 4 games to start the 2016 season. No problem. Belichick just trots another QB out there and keeps on winning. When Brady retires they won't miss a beat. Honestly, I could see them in the Super Bowl the next year after Brady retires.
I totally agree. But answer honestly. Do you not think that the Pats would be a better team if Belichick would have had the benefit of picking where the Browns have picked over the last 3 years? You can almost bet your house on the fact that they would be MUCH better. And given that not everyone can see the talent that Belichick can, draft position does matter.
In general, what you say is absolutely true and it is what people stand on when they defend draft position as not that important. That it is the guy picking. Of course the guy picking is WAY more important. But when you move it over to the real world and have mere mortals picking, you get lots wrong and having a broader range (more guys rated highly) to pick from helps.
+1 Belichick would get a great player with the pick, and then just grab a QB in another round like he did Garoppolo - to groom and sell to the next rube GM and get another payback on THAT investment. BTW, the Pats already have their #2 QB for next year in Jacoby Brissett, a 3rd round pick out of North Carolina State. Brissett was the 5th QB taken in that draft. Fifth QB taken.
Garoppolo was also the 5th QB taken the year Belichick drafted him.
Belichick usually ends up with one of the worst draft positions in the entire NFL - year after year after year. After Super Bowl win years, he is dead last. Yet he always has a strong roster of talent. Teams like the Browns draft at or near the top year after year after year. They are crap.
It's not the draft position. We have seen how this works. It's having a guy with a brilliant draft mind pulling the draft trigger. Tom Brady out for 4 games to start the 2016 season. No problem. Belichick just trots another QB out there and keeps on winning. When Brady retires they won't miss a beat. Honestly, I could see them in the Super Bowl the next year after Brady retires.
I totally agree. But answer honestly. Do you not think that the Pats would be a better team if Belichick would have had the benefit of picking where the Browns have picked over the last 3 years? You can almost bet your house on the fact that they would be MUCH better. And given that not everyone can see the talent that Belichick can, draft position does matter.
In general, what you say is absolutely true and it is what people stand on when they defend draft position as not that important. That it is the guy picking. Of course the guy picking is WAY more important. But when you move it over to the real world and have mere mortals picking, you get lots wrong and having a broader range (more guys rated highly) to pick from helps.
Both positions have merit.
Here is how I see it. The guy pulling the draft trigger sets your ceiling at a given draft point in any draft. Smart guy will do well, dumb guy will not do as well.
If that guy is an idiot then draft position doesn't do a whole lot for you (think of the small army of bad picks... guys like Johnny Manziel, Jamarcus Russell, Tim Tebow etc etc etc).
But with a brilliant talent evaluator pulling the draft trigger, then he will make the most of whatever draft position he has to work with. You are 100% right, higher draft position is better. I wasn't (at all) referring to you in that post. I agree with you. My only point is that you need a sharp guy doing the drafting.