As bold faced right there is the dichotomy between you and I.
I believe we do have a potential replacement in house and I would resist replacing the ONLY coach at a coordinator's level whose even come close to proving he does know how to create progress even with a less than idea compliment of players for his unit.
I laid it all out before belli and some here agree with that approach. I'd let Fox go, promote Fangio to HC and Donatell to DC for the two year duration of Fox's contract. This way the majority if not all of the defensive staff remains intact and the rebuilding process isn't interrupted.
How much of the offensive staff remains intact I can't say since many have long term ties to Fox but my guess is that at his age Fox may not be offered another HC opportunity especially after being dismissed from his two previous ones under less than ideal conditions. He'll be paid so he may simply retire.
Now Pace has bettered the current situation while keeping as much stability as possible and has two years to evaluate Fangio's progress while also evaluating other upcoming HC prospects. If you want my honest opinion about Ryan Pace it's that his future as Bears GM will depend heavily on how creative he can get with fixing this mess and to me that means all options are on the table and I'm not certain that's the way he'll approach it or even has to date.
Could be. Pace knows enough about Fangio at this point to decide whether he's the guy so I'll trust him.
This will affect the QB decision also. If Fox (and maybe Pace too) are twisting in the wind by a slender thread, then there is no way they will let a draftee be their starting QB this coming season. Not happening.
It could mean a serious move to get Garoppolo. Or even roll with Cutler one more season. There isn't a QB in this draft that is ready to lead a team day-1. At least not a team with as many problems as the Bears have right now. Fox isn't gonna put his neck on the chopping block with a rookie QB leading the team. No way.
This will affect the QB decision also. If Fox (and maybe Pace too) are twisting in the wind by a slender thread, then there is no way they will let a draftee be their starting QB this coming season. Not happening.
It could mean a serious move to get Garoppolo. Or even roll with Cutler one more season. There isn't a QB in this draft that is ready to lead a team day-1. At least not a team with as many problems as the Bears have right now. Fox isn't gonna put his neck on the chopping block with a rookie QB leading the team. No way.
You are behind the times. Fox has already corrected us. WE are all closer than we think. And Pace has us all ready to be happy when it happens. You need to get with it. We are on the "be happy" on deck circle. It will just take one more year of Fox's masterful leadership.
The Logg could be back too. Someone else mentioned the similarity here to when Lovie was on thin ice - quality coordinators were reluctant to come here, if the big broom was waiting to sweep the coaching staff out. I suspect no quality guy would want to take over the offense due to the same circumstances now with Fox on life-support here.
Looks like the Bears are pushing all the chips into the pot on this one. They are betting the farm on Fox & company turning this around in 2017.
In a way, it is a gutsy move. I'm not saying it's the right move. Boy, there will be a crow-eating feast if the team does turn around next year and turn out solid. But that is a really long shot from where we are right now.
All very true which says to me very much what you have in the first paragraph. Short of maybe Mike McCoy riding to Fox's rescue IF he's let go (and that seems likely) I'm not sure who else Fox might persuade to come. His deal with SD is through 2017 so he'll be paid for 2017 less an offset for whatever the Bears pay him so I see him as a possibility buy no more than that.
If Fox and virtually the entire staff are retained yeah I'd call that that an "all in" move too except this the Bears whose owners often expect us to suffer in silence and applaud mediocrity as they do. Truth be told I'm even more fed up with them and their history of mismanagement than I am with Fox.
If the coaching staff is to be little or unchanged and there is no white knight Exec VP on the horizon then the next item on the plate is to resolve a final plan regarding the QB situation and to work that plan. Short of keeping Cutler or bringing in a young vet whose prepared to start I honestly can't see better than 8-8 for this team if that. Forget the playoffs.
My dilemma is if that's the very best we can do why keep Fox? Tear up his deal and move on with other changes that will work because his haven't and probably won't. By now I think his patterns are very clear to see to those actually want to see them. Since it's doesn't appear to be what will happen I just see more of the same battles next year.
I'll be more than happy to eat my crow if it does turn out to be more successful if those who keep supporting Fox will do the same without my need to say "I told you so". Fair is fair.
The Logg could be back too. Someone else mentioned the similarity here to when Lovie was on thin ice - quality coordinators were reluctant to come here, if the big broom was waiting to sweep the coaching staff out. I suspect no quality guy would want to take over the offense due to the same circumstances now with Fox on life-support here.
Looks like the Bears are pushing all the chips into the pot on this one. They are betting the farm on Fox & company turning this around in 2017.
In a way, it is a gutsy move. I'm not saying it's the right move. Boy, there will be a crow-eating feast if the team does turn around next year and turn out solid. But that is a really long shot from where we are right now.
All very true which says to me very much what you have in the first paragraph. Short of maybe Mike McCoy riding to Fox's rescue IF he's let go (and that seems likely) I'm not sure who else Fox might persuade to come. His deal with SD is through 2017 so he'll be paid for 2017 less an offset for whatever the Bears pay him so I see him as a possibility buy no more than that.
If Fox and virtually the entire staff are retained yeah I'd call that that an "all in" move too except this the Bears whose owners often expect us to suffer in silence and applaud mediocrity as they do. Truth be told I'm even more fed up with them and their history of mismanagement than I am with Fox.
If the coaching staff is to be little or unchanged and there is no white knight Exec VP on the horizon then the next item on the plate is to resolve a final plan regarding the QB situation and to work that plan. Short of keeping Cutler or bringing in a young vet whose prepared to start I honestly can't see better than 8-8 for this team if that. Forget the playoffs.
My dilemma is if that's the very best we can do why keep Fox? Tear up his deal and move on with other changes that will work because his haven't and probably won't. By now I think his patterns are very clear to see to those actually want to see them. Since it's doesn't appear to be what will happen I just see more of the same battles next year.
I'll be more than happy to eat my crow if it does turn out to be more successful if those who keep supporting Fox will do the same without my need to say "I told you so". Fair is fair.
I just want the team -my team- our team- to succeed. If Fox fails - ****. I'll 'eat crow' but who cares about my unimportant admission? Ultimately I don't know - nor do I want to be responsible - what will fix this team. I'm still trying to be optimistic about Fox and co. Maybe that's delusional but it's where I'm at. When Trestman left I said I'd be happy to give Fox 3-4 years to remake this team. I don't want to bail on that after year 2. I've seen enough positive steps to think - again I'm just a fan whose thoughts on such things are meaningless- we might get there if we hang tough and stay committed.
As bold faced right there is the dichotomy between you and I.
I believe we do have a potential replacement in house and I would resist replacing the ONLY coach at a coordinator's level whose even come close to proving he does know how to create progress even with a less than idea compliment of players for his unit.
I laid it all out before belli and some here agree with that approach. I'd let Fox go, promote Fangio to HC and Donatell to DC for the two year duration of Fox's contract. This way the majority if not all of the defensive staff remains intact and the rebuilding process isn't interrupted.
How much of the offensive staff remains intact I can't say since many have long term ties to Fox but my guess is that at his age Fox may not be offered another HC opportunity especially after being dismissed from his two previous ones under less than ideal conditions. He'll be paid so he may simply retire.
Now Pace has bettered the current situation while keeping as much stability as possible and has two years to evaluate Fangio's progress while also evaluating other upcoming HC prospects. If you want my honest opinion about Ryan Pace it's that his future as Bears GM will depend heavily on how creative he can get with fixing this mess and to me that means all options are on the table and I'm not certain that's the way he'll approach it or even has to date.
Could be. Pace knows enough about Fangio at this point to decide whether he's the guy so I'll trust him.
But is that an option that's ever been on the table? I mean realistically was that ever even on table? I've tried at times to theorize a way to unwind from Fox while still not completely unwinding whatever progress has been made to date.
It's only ever been a simple theory but I've always felt it made at least some logical sense. I'm all for not doing more than is needed to solve a problem. That's always been my management style so it's what I tend to apply when I'm analyzing and problem solving. It's just how I think.
This will affect the QB decision also. If Fox (and maybe Pace too) are twisting in the wind by a slender thread, then there is no way they will let a draftee be their starting QB this coming season. Not happening.
It could mean a serious move to get Garoppolo. Or even roll with Cutler one more season. There isn't a QB in this draft that is ready to lead a team day-1. At least not a team with as many problems as the Bears have right now. Fox isn't gonna put his neck on the chopping block with a rookie QB leading the team. No way.
You are behind the times. Fox has already corrected us. WE are all closer than we think. And Pace has us all ready to be happy when it happens. You need to get with it. We are on the "be happy" on deck circle. It will just take one more year of Fox's masterful leadership.
This is my fear. If Pace wants to keep his job he's quotes the party line??? So is the Ryan Pace "Tiki Bar" now open and serving Teddy Bears and McCaskey kool-aid? It seems like it?
All very true which says to me very much what you have in the first paragraph. Short of maybe Mike McCoy riding to Fox's rescue IF he's let go (and that seems likely) I'm not sure who else Fox might persuade to come. His deal with SD is through 2017 so he'll be paid for 2017 less an offset for whatever the Bears pay him so I see him as a possibility buy no more than that.
If Fox and virtually the entire staff are retained yeah I'd call that that an "all in" move too except this the Bears whose owners often expect us to suffer in silence and applaud mediocrity as they do. Truth be told I'm even more fed up with them and their history of mismanagement than I am with Fox.
If the coaching staff is to be little or unchanged and there is no white knight Exec VP on the horizon then the next item on the plate is to resolve a final plan regarding the QB situation and to work that plan. Short of keeping Cutler or bringing in a young vet whose prepared to start I honestly can't see better than 8-8 for this team if that. Forget the playoffs.
My dilemma is if that's the very best we can do why keep Fox? Tear up his deal and move on with other changes that will work because his haven't and probably won't. By now I think his patterns are very clear to see to those actually want to see them. Since it's doesn't appear to be what will happen I just see more of the same battles next year.
I'll be more than happy to eat my crow if it does turn out to be more successful if those who keep supporting Fox will do the same without my need to say "I told you so". Fair is fair.
I just want the team -my team- our team- to succeed. If Fox fails - ****. I'll 'eat crow' but who cares about my unimportant admission? Ultimately I don't know - nor do I want to be responsible - what will fix this team. I'm still trying to be optimistic about Fox and co. Maybe that's delusional but it's where I'm at. When Trestman left I said I'd be happy to give Fox 3-4 years to remake this team. I don't want to bail on that after year 2. I've seen enough positive steps to think - again I'm just a fan whose thoughts on such things are meaningless- we might get there if we hang tough and stay committed.
Can't blame you for that. I feel the same and don't take my "eating crow" as more than a figure of speech. I'll be happy to be proven wrong and won't hesitate to admit it.
All very true which says to me very much what you have in the first paragraph. Short of maybe Mike McCoy riding to Fox's rescue IF he's let go (and that seems likely) I'm not sure who else Fox might persuade to come. His deal with SD is through 2017 so he'll be paid for 2017 less an offset for whatever the Bears pay him so I see him as a possibility buy no more than that.
If Fox and virtually the entire staff are retained yeah I'd call that that an "all in" move too except this the Bears whose owners often expect us to suffer in silence and applaud mediocrity as they do. Truth be told I'm even more fed up with them and their history of mismanagement than I am with Fox.
If the coaching staff is to be little or unchanged and there is no white knight Exec VP on the horizon then the next item on the plate is to resolve a final plan regarding the QB situation and to work that plan. Short of keeping Cutler or bringing in a young vet whose prepared to start I honestly can't see better than 8-8 for this team if that. Forget the playoffs.
My dilemma is if that's the very best we can do why keep Fox? Tear up his deal and move on with other changes that will work because his haven't and probably won't. By now I think his patterns are very clear to see to those actually want to see them. Since it's doesn't appear to be what will happen I just see more of the same battles next year.
I'll be more than happy to eat my crow if it does turn out to be more successful if those who keep supporting Fox will do the same without my need to say "I told you so". Fair is fair.
I just want the team -my team- our team- to succeed. If Fox fails - ****. I'll 'eat crow' but who cares about my unimportant admission? Ultimately I don't know - nor do I want to be responsible - what will fix this team. I'm still trying to be optimistic about Fox and co. Maybe that's delusional but it's where I'm at. When Trestman left I said I'd be happy to give Fox 3-4 years to remake this team. I don't want to bail on that after year 2. I've seen enough positive steps to think - again I'm just a fan whose thoughts on such things are meaningless- we might get there if we hang tough and stay committed.
As fans we control nothing, really, so I'm just going to watch and see what happens. And there are so many ways this could play out now.
Bears to hold year-end press conference on January 4 by Bryan Perez
The Bears have scheduled their end-of-year press conference for January 4, one that is slated to include both general manager Ryan Pace and head coach John Fox, which should end any speculation about each critical figure's job status heading into the offseason.
The #Bears’ year-end press conference with Ryan Pace and John Fox is officially scheduled for next Wednesday.
— Adam Jahns (@adamjahns) December 27, 2016
While it's still possible that the Bears could choose to make a coaching change if the team melts down against the Vikings in the season finale, the fact that Pace and Fox will be conducting the press conference all but ensures a third year under the current regime.
The Bears have gone 9-22 through the first 31 games under Pace and Fox's leadership. A loss in Week 17, which would be number 13 on the year, would set a new franchise record for the most losses in any one season.
Chicago was expected to improve upon 2015's six wins, especially with Fox's track record of rebuilding programs by his second season on the job. Instead, the Bears have taken a big step backward. Whether it's a deficiency in the training room that's led to a league-leading 19 players on injured reserve or an inability to get the players who are healthy ready to execute a game plan, Chicago has been overmatched on a weekly basis through 15 games.
All Pace and company can do now is plow forward into an offseason that will be a make-or-break period of transactions for everyone involved with the organization. Anything short of competing for a wild card in 2017 will spell doom for the front office and coaching staff.
I'm not surprised Fox is staying and I suspect that comes from the top. Ownership doesn't want to pay Fox AND a new HC too which they'd have to do if JF is fired (I think they just finished paying up on Trestman's contract as well). Such is the nature of successive failed coaching regimes.
What I find most chilling is the final paragraph because I actually think Pace has shown promise as a young GM in finding talent both in FA and the draft. I'd like to see him continue restocking the roster which was utterly bereft of talent, espcially young talent, 2 years ago. This rebuild is still in the early innings so to speak in my mind and I'd hate to see Pace get canned for finishing 8-8 in 2017.