FWIW I'm hoping they keep McPhee on the PUP and just let Houston and Young start with Acho and Jones in reserve and use Floyd more sparingly as a pass rusher. McPhee obviously needs more time to condition himself and Floyd just need more time period.
FWIW I'm hoping they keep McPhee on the PUP and just let Houston and Young start with Acho and Jones in reserve and use Floyd more sparingly as a pass rusher. McPhee obviously needs more time to condition himself and Floyd just need more time period.
I agree. I don't see Floyd as being a suitable fill in, at the moment, for a base 3-4 OLB. He has more to learn. HOWEVER, he still has a lot of value this year. After watching him in the pre-season I'm convinced he's going to make an impact his rookie year. If Fangio can scheme effectively for him, he will be a very useful chess piece on this defense. Jeremy Stoltz did an extensive write up awhile ago about Floyd's ability to play the Rover (Click here to see the article) and I think that (and other speciality roles) is where Floyd makes his mark this season.
One other note on the subject of Corny's injury (as it relates to Floyd, McPhee, Houston, and Corny). I think one of the issues the Bears have had in their transition to a 3-4 defense is an issue of adaptation. In taking a lot of 4-3 players and turning them into 3-4 players, they've tried to get creative with weight (bulking and reducing weight on players to fit roles). In doing this kind of shaping, you run a ton of risks with injury. Lamarr Houston bulked up and tore his ACL doing a dance (but really this was an injury waiting to happen - for clarity's sake this injury occurred while Trestman was manning the ship BUT the point stands as he was asked to bulk up and then Fox / Fangio had him cut weight). McPhee's weight affected his knees last year (and this year). Corny's put on a lot of weight to play in a 3-4 and he's suffered injury after injury - a quad, a back a knee - and then we have Floyd. Everyone wants to see him bulk up but bulking up entails a lot of risk especially if it's done suddenly. The body needs to adjust to the fluctuations in weight AND the ability of the body to perform supreme athletic movement with that new weight. A player can add/subtract weight with relative ease but this isn't Hollywood, this is football. Their bodies are impacted in so many ways by violent force and sudden change. If Floyd bulks up this year, he's going to run a greater risk of getting injured and being unproductive. I hope they are VERY CAREFUL with how they grow his body this year. Take it slow and give him measured time to adapt. The last thing we need is for him to blow his ACL out his rookie year and then never be the same.
Has it been confirmed that McPhee is going on the PUP, or do we only have speculation?
Edit: Never mind. I just found an article about it. That sucks.
Yea it sucks balls.. Pace looks pretty smart trading up for Floyd with McPhee injuries problem. I wasn't a big fan of the big doing the draft, thought we could get a really good player without trading up, but as the days have passed I start to like it more, still not 100% happy about it. VH3, or Tunsil would have better if you ask me since we were already stacked at OLB, but if this guy gives up +6 sacks as rookie I'll take it!
Personally, I am more split than ever with Floyd. I am now more convinced that he has potential, but am also more convinced than ever that he is too light. I have mad trust for Fangio who says he is not worried about his weight, so he is either speaking coach-speak or he really has a way to use him at his weight. Of course, with the second option, Floyd still has to have the ability to change and play the way that Fangio envisions him to play in the NFL at that lower weight. So far, he has not.
I am not 100% sure that he can be a stud yet. It does concern me.
Putting Floyd aside for now since that's another discussion in and of itself I have a much greater concern that McPhee will never return to the level he played at throughout the first half of last season. Whatever is going on with his knee it's a much more serious deal than we've been led to believe. It obviously wasn't just a simple "scoping" to clean some stuff up.
We should be pulling for him to get through it and get 100% healed and back in football shape and maybe by the second half of this season he'll come on like Young and Houston did last year. If not then as I've posted before I'm looking at the possibility of this being another Tommie Harris type deal where he'll never be the player he was before this issue became as bad as it seems to be.
Putting Floyd aside for now since that's another discussion in and of itself I have a much greater concern that McPhee will never return to the level he played at throughout the first half of last season. Whatever is going on with his knee it's a much more serious deal than we've been led to believe. It obviously wasn't just a simple "scoping" to clean some stuff up.
We should be pulling for him to get through it and get 100% healed and back in football shape and maybe by the second half of this season he'll come on like Young and Houston did last year. If not then as I've posted before I'm looking at the possibility of this being another Tommie Harris type deal where he'll never be the player he was before this issue became as bad as it seems to be.
I'm pretty happy with how things have gone the last 2 days but the one major bummer is McPhee. I'm afraid you're right, Soul, that he may be a lot closer to the end of his useful career than the beginning. No way he had just a scope for meniscectomy or chondroplasty ("clean up"). It had to have been something more. I suspect he had a microfracture and the results haven't been as good as hoped for. He should have been back now. Instead he missed the entire PS and at least the first 6 weeks going forward. Its hard to not be pessimistic about his future with the team at this point.
Putting Floyd aside for now since that's another discussion in and of itself I have a much greater concern that McPhee will never return to the level he played at throughout the first half of last season. Whatever is going on with his knee it's a much more serious deal than we've been led to believe. It obviously wasn't just a simple "scoping" to clean some stuff up.
We should be pulling for him to get through it and get 100% healed and back in football shape and maybe by the second half of this season he'll come on like Young and Houston did last year. If not then as I've posted before I'm looking at the possibility of this being another Tommie Harris type deal where he'll never be the player he was before this issue became as bad as it seems to be.
I'm pretty happy with how things have gone the last 2 days but the one major bummer is McPhee. I'm afraid you're right, Soul, that he may be a lot closer to the end of his useful career than the beginning. No way he had just a scope for meniscectomy or chondroplasty ("clean up"). It had to have been something more. I suspect he had a microfracture and the results haven't been as good as hoped for. He should have been back now. Instead he missed the entire PS and at least the first 6 weeks going forward. Its hard to not be pessimistic about his future with the team at this point.
I suspect the same as you mp. It may have started out as something more simple but from my reading about the micro fracture procedure, the reasoning behind it, and the prognosis for success or failure it seems so far that McPhee's would fall on the side of the latter. The knee is not healing as expected. Not even close so far.
As lucky as we seem to have been with Young and Houston's injuries and their recoveries maybe our luck as run out with McPhee. I sure as hell hope not but as far as I'm concerned if there's any doubt or hesitation about his readiness to play I prefer they err on the side of safety and let him spend that six weeks on the PUP getting healed and back in football shape.
We aren't hurting as badly without him this year as we were a year ago and if it will help salvage his career they can keep him out all year as far as I'm concerned.
I'm pretty happy with how things have gone the last 2 days but the one major bummer is McPhee. I'm afraid you're right, Soul, that he may be a lot closer to the end of his useful career than the beginning. No way he had just a scope for meniscectomy or chondroplasty ("clean up"). It had to have been something more. I suspect he had a microfracture and the results haven't been as good as hoped for. He should have been back now. Instead he missed the entire PS and at least the first 6 weeks going forward. Its hard to not be pessimistic about his future with the team at this point.
I suspect the same as you mp. It may have started out as something more simple but from my reading about the micro fracture procedure, the reasoning behind it, and the prognosis for success or failure it seems so far that McPhee's would fall on the side of the latter. The knee is not healing as expected. Not even close so far.
As lucky as we seem to have been with Young and Houston's injuries and their recoveries maybe our luck as run out with McPhee. I sure as hell hope not but as far as I'm concerned if there's any doubt or hesitation about his readiness to play I prefer they err on the side of safety and let him spend that six weeks on the PUP getting healed and back in football shape.
We aren't hurting as badly without him this year as we were a year ago and if it will help salvage his career they can keep him out all year as far as I'm concerned.
I also concur, since it's taking way long to heal and they said nothing about ACL tear. Than this has to be a microfracture to be taking this crazy long.