I'm going to be a bit blunt.. Emery has fracked up the Bears big time..
It goes well beyond Emery, Lovie's contract and power after the SB was the beginning of the end of the Bears. From 07 to now find the all pro players. Guys any team would want. Find the qb all teams but Indy/NO/GB and NE would have wanted. You'll find more guys that never played a down for the Bears then you will find those guys. The list is that small
Forte Long Howard
In 2 guys in 7 years(not counting the last 2 years b/c it's to soon to judge.
Look at the potential in the last 2 drafts though Goldman Howard Floyd Whitehair
Again way to early to tell, but it looks like the Bears finally have a GM that knows how to draft. But he decided to skip a qb in the last 2 years and now he's forced into a corner of HAVING to take one early. This is what happens when you neglect the position for over a decade. He had the chance to take high potential guys and chose not to.
We can tick off a very long list of draft failures from the first three rounds over many years which left us in the spot we ended up in. It cost us heavily at many positions including QB.
He is in a corner but where we disagree is probably on what Pace is forced to do. That's something he'll need to deal with on multiple levels and hope he gets it all right because he can't afford many more swings and misses as far as team leadership goes at QB or on the coaching staff.
Once the decision relative to the coaching staff has been made (if it hasn't been already) then he has plenty of time to plot out the QB situation and explore all possible options and I do mean all because by now it's been made clear that Barkley is not the next "Great White Hope" either.
It goes well beyond Emery, Lovie's contract and power after the SB was the beginning of the end of the Bears. From 07 to now find the all pro players. Guys any team would want. Find the qb all teams but Indy/NO/GB and NE would have wanted. You'll find more guys that never played a down for the Bears then you will find those guys. The list is that small
Forte Long Howard
In 2 guys in 7 years(not counting the last 2 years b/c it's to soon to judge.
Look at the potential in the last 2 drafts though Goldman Howard Floyd Whitehair
Again way to early to tell, but it looks like the Bears finally have a GM that knows how to draft. But he decided to skip a qb in the last 2 years and now he's forced into a corner of HAVING to take one early. This is what happens when you neglect the position for over a decade. He had the chance to take high potential guys and chose not to.
We can tick off a very long list of draft failures from the first three rounds over many years which left us in the spot we ended up in. It cost us heavily at many positions including QB.
He is in a corner but where we disagree is probably on what Pace is forced to do. That's something he'll need to deal with on multiple levels and hope he gets it all right because he can't afford many more swings and misses as far as team leadership goes at QB or on the coaching staff.
Once the decision relative to the coaching staff has been made (if it hasn't been already) then he has plenty of time to plot out the QB situation and explore all possible options and I do mean all because by now it's been made clear that Barkley is not the next "Great White Hope" either.
The thing is around 99-05 the drafts were really solid and that is what built the div champs/playoffs/sb run the Bears had in the early and mid 2000's. All that ended in 2007 and seems to finally getting fixed just now in 2015 and 2016.
I'm going to be a bit blunt.. Emery has fracked up the Bears big time..
It goes well beyond Emery, Lovie's contract and power after the SB was the beginning of the end of the Bears. From 07 to now find the all pro players. Guys any team would want. Find the qb all teams but Indy/NO/GB and NE would have wanted. You'll find more guys that never played a down for the Bears then you will find those guys. The list is that small
Forte Long Howard
In 2 guys in 7 years(not counting the last 2 years b/c it's to soon to judge.
Look at the potential in the last 2 drafts though Goldman Howard Floyd Whitehair
Again way to early to tell, but it looks like the Bears finally have a GM that knows how to draft. But he decided to skip a qb in the last 2 years and now he's forced into a corner of HAVING to take one early. This is what happens when you neglect the position for over a decade. He had the chance to take high potential guys and chose not to.
Don't forget about the Angelo's folly of getting Jay Cutler.
I honestly can't decide whether I'm in the "fire Fox" or "give him another year" camp. I really don't know. I can see valid arguments on both sides. Mostly I fear losing Fangio and/or ending up with a garbage HC replacement like Trestman. If they fire him, please please please don't screw up the transition (as has been done before).
Fox was a losing HC before he got here, nothing has changed. If the plan is to give him one more year, get rid of him now as this is going to take more than a year to fix. I'd like to see him gone. His game day management skills has cost us wins and we simply can't ignore that or accept it. The division is too competitive to tolerate it.
Here is a media guide that lists the organization's people from top to bottom (LINK). I found it interesting, so I attached it to this post. There's more than George McCaskey in the mix at the board of directors level.
An NFL franchise is a pretty complex organization. A lot of moving parts. I think we can do better than John Fox, but he's just one part in a complex engine that powers the team. But like a car engine, if one part is failing it can screw up the entire car's performance.
Ted Philips is the President and CEO. He has to bear responsibility for some of the failures over the past years too.
I had thought George McCaskey was THE McCaskey running the show, but when I read this document it's clear there are multiple McCaskey's in the mix at the Board of Directors level - and of course Virginia wields bigtime power over all of the organization too.
It goes well beyond Emery, Lovie's contract and power after the SB was the beginning of the end of the Bears. From 07 to now find the all pro players. Guys any team would want. Find the qb all teams but Indy/NO/GB and NE would have wanted. You'll find more guys that never played a down for the Bears then you will find those guys. The list is that small
Forte Long Howard
In 2 guys in 7 years(not counting the last 2 years b/c it's to soon to judge.
Look at the potential in the last 2 drafts though Goldman Howard Floyd Whitehair
Again way to early to tell, but it looks like the Bears finally have a GM that knows how to draft. But he decided to skip a qb in the last 2 years and now he's forced into a corner of HAVING to take one early. This is what happens when you neglect the position for over a decade. He had the chance to take high potential guys and chose not to.
Don't forget about the Angelo's folly of getting Jay Cutler.
Yep, could have had an equal to better QB in Flacco the year before, and could have kept those 2 firsts, and Orton.
Post by tragicslip on Dec 26, 2016 21:16:14 GMT -6
Where is Lovie now? Tampa looks much better without him. Stop acting like that 10 win season was something special. How many times do you want to watch your team get bounced as the game management mistakes culminate in another long off season.
It goes well beyond Emery, Lovie's contract and power after the SB was the beginning of the end of the Bears. From 07 to now find the all pro players. Guys any team would want. Find the qb all teams but Indy/NO/GB and NE would have wanted. You'll find more guys that never played a down for the Bears then you will find those guys. The list is that small
Forte Long Howard
In 2 guys in 7 years(not counting the last 2 years b/c it's to soon to judge.
Look at the potential in the last 2 drafts though Goldman Howard Floyd Whitehair
Again way to early to tell, but it looks like the Bears finally have a GM that knows how to draft. But he decided to skip a qb in the last 2 years and now he's forced into a corner of HAVING to take one early. This is what happens when you neglect the position for over a decade. He had the chance to take high potential guys and chose not to.
Don't forget about the Angelo's folly of getting Jay Cutler.
Or Emerys' follow up of making him the highest paid QB in the league. That includes active QBs of the time Peyton Manning, Aaron Rogers, and Tom Brady.
What we did not know at the time was one thing that Emery did know. That he was insane.
Where is Lovie now? Tampa looks much better without him. Stop acting like that 10 win season was something special. How many times do you want to watch your team get bounced as the game management mistakes culminate in another long off season.
Everytime someone brings up that 10 win season, I have to point out the several 7,8,9 win seasons that came before it that created the change in GM which meant he was gone no matter what.
Lovie was a disaster and had to be fired; the problem wasn't firing him the problem was hiring Emery and Trestman and then Fox.