Fields did hold the ball too long. ALL THE TIME. That's an indisputable fact on tape.
If only Caleb Williams had:
2 Star WRs 1 Highly Drafted Rookie WR A Top 10 TE Good RBs A Top 10 D
AND
A great offensive line, then we can see what an awesome QB he really is!
In the salary cap era there is going to be a weakness on a team. Ours is the OL. The coaching staff needs to figure out how to work around it. Stop it with the 3 WR sets and empty backfield. Run the ball. Go 2 TE. PA. Adapt.
Not sure what your point is as we were talking about a QB's release time.
Anyway, no one expected the Bears OL to be "great". We did expect it to be marginally competent at least and thus far it hasn't been. It's been a disaster both in run and pass blocking. There's not much any OC or QB can do with that. It's gotta get substantially better to even start to assess them both.
2 Star WRs 1 Highly Drafted Rookie WR A Top 10 TE Good RBs A Top 10 D
AND
A great offensive line, then we can see what an awesome QB he really is!
In the salary cap era there is going to be a weakness on a team. Ours is the OL. The coaching staff needs to figure out how to work around it. Stop it with the 3 WR sets and empty backfield. Run the ball. Go 2 TE. PA. Adapt.
Not sure what your point is as we were talking about a QB's release time.
Anyway, no one expected the Bears OL to be "great". We did expect it to be marginally competent at least and thus far it hasn't been. It's been a disaster both in run and pass blocking. There's not much any OC or QB can do with that. It's gotta get substantially better to even start to assess them both.
It's always way easier to build a straw man and burn it, then actually honestly discus and debate the other side.
1 No one saying they need a great OL think they needed all those weapons and would have substituted some of those weapons for better OL play 2 No one is saying great OL w/what they have, like you said, just competent would be acceptable. What's not acceptable is having a QB get pressure on 37 of 38 pass attempts when the QB is passing on an average of 2.59 seconds. That really means that this OL is getting beat almost instantly, if not instantly. 3 Correct no OC or QB can build an O and succeed w/an OLine that cannot do either of the 2 required jobs it has, run block and pass block.
Not sure what your point is as we were talking about a QB's release time.
Anyway, no one expected the Bears OL to be "great". We did expect it to be marginally competent at least and thus far it hasn't been. It's been a disaster both in run and pass blocking. There's not much any OC or QB can do with that. It's gotta get substantially better to even start to assess them both.
It's always way easier to build a straw man and burn it, then actually honestly discus and debate the other side.
1 No one saying they need a great OL think they needed all those weapons and would have substituted some of those weapons for better OL play 2 No one is saying great OL w/what they have, like you said, just competent would be acceptable. What's not acceptable is having a QB get pressure on 37 of 38 pass attempts when the QB is passing on an average of 2.59 seconds. That really means that this OL is getting beat almost instantly, if not instantly. 3 Correct no OC or QB can build an O and succeed w/an OLine that cannot do either of the 2 required jobs it has, run block and pass block.
I think it's well known here that I'm not a fan of making excuses for failing QBs like we did here for so long with Mitch and JF1.
But CW has barely started his pro career and his OL has been atrocious both games so far. There's no way to blame him for anything thus far except maybe missing that sideline throw to KA in week 1.
Even with that, he has thrown two TD passes that were flat dropped by Allen and Odunze respectively. Allen didn't play week 2, cuz he's constantly been hurt his whole career, and Odunze is off to a slow start with running the wrong route week 2 and having a bum knee.
Gerald Everett and Swift have both sucked thus far too. Both have whiffed key blocks and both seem to fall down whenever a defender brushes their uniform. Haven't been impressed with the lack of contact balance by either of them. Haven't seen either of them shake or break a tackle so far.
In short, right now Williams is getting zero help from his surrounding cast on offense. ZERO
It's always way easier to build a straw man and burn it, then actually honestly discus and debate the other side.
1 No one saying they need a great OL think they needed all those weapons and would have substituted some of those weapons for better OL play 2 No one is saying great OL w/what they have, like you said, just competent would be acceptable. What's not acceptable is having a QB get pressure on 37 of 38 pass attempts when the QB is passing on an average of 2.59 seconds. That really means that this OL is getting beat almost instantly, if not instantly. 3 Correct no OC or QB can build an O and succeed w/an OLine that cannot do either of the 2 required jobs it has, run block and pass block.
I think it's well known here that I'm not a fan of making excuses for failing QBs like we did here for so long with Mitch and JF1.
But CW has barely started his pro career and his OL has been atrocious both games so far. There's no way to blame him for anything thus far except maybe missing that sideline throw to KA in week 1.
Even with that, he has thrown two TD passes that were flat dropped by Allen and Odunze respectively. Allen didn't play week 2, cuz he's constantly been hurt his whole career, and Odunze is off to a slow start with running the wrong route week 2 and having a bum knee.
Gerald Everett and Swift have both sucked thus far too. Both have whiffed key blocks and both seem to fall down whenever a defender brushes their uniform. Haven't been impressed with the lack of contact balance by either of them. Haven't seen either of them shake or break a tackle so far.
In short, right now Williams is getting zero help from his surrounding cast on offense. ZERO
I learned from Mitch, I'll give young qb's more rope then you will, and I put a lot of blame on OL/help more then you tend to, but it's going to be far less after Fields. Especially w/both Mitch and Fields failing again.
Although you still have xmaples like Darnols and Baker, as well as Tannehill for a few years as to how sometimes it really just is a bad org making bad decisions. Seeing it in Chicago w/this OL right now as a perfect example.
I've hoped for 3 straight years they'd put real investment into this OL and they haven't. I'm hoping this is a wakeup call to Poles that he better stop w/the just throw bodies at it until it sticks approach he's tried so far.
I've hoped for 3 straight years they'd put real investment into this OL and they haven't. I'm hoping this is a wakeup call to Poles that he better stop w/the just throw bodies at it until it sticks approach he's tried so far.
+1,000 to that one, Ric.
Talk is cheap. What a GM actually does, carries more weight. The Bears have invested in RT with Wright. Other than that it has been pretty much weak sauce. We've signed some deadbeats that other teams didn't value enough to keep. Poles did spend a 3rd round pick on the injured guy, Kiran Amegadjie, who has not played since October of 2023 (for Yale). And he signed the guy from the Canadian college, the UBC Thunderbirds who (I think) is still hanging on as a practice squad guy. Yes, he brought in Shelton and Bates. But if you look into those two guys' careers, they are not very good. Bates was a bench warmer who got 35 snaps last year... why on earth we needed another guy like that here, I can't fathom. Shelton has (at best) been a mediocre guy who his team did not value enough to keep... these are guys that davidl calls "lost dogs" and that's a good name for them. Why on earth would we want these guys?
I think it's well known here that I'm not a fan of making excuses for failing QBs like we did here for so long with Mitch and JF1.
But CW has barely started his pro career and his OL has been atrocious both games so far. There's no way to blame him for anything thus far except maybe missing that sideline throw to KA in week 1.
Even with that, he has thrown two TD passes that were flat dropped by Allen and Odunze respectively. Allen didn't play week 2, cuz he's constantly been hurt his whole career, and Odunze is off to a slow start with running the wrong route week 2 and having a bum knee.
Gerald Everett and Swift have both sucked thus far too. Both have whiffed key blocks and both seem to fall down whenever a defender brushes their uniform. Haven't been impressed with the lack of contact balance by either of them. Haven't seen either of them shake or break a tackle so far.
In short, right now Williams is getting zero help from his surrounding cast on offense. ZERO
I learned from Mitch, I'll give young qb's more rope then you will, and I put a lot of blame on OL/help more then you tend to, but it's going to be far less after Fields. Especially w/both Mitch and Fields failing again.
Although you still have xmaples like Darnols and Baker, as well as Tannehill for a few years as to how sometimes it really just is a bad org making bad decisions. Seeing it in Chicago w/this OL right now as a perfect example.
I've hoped for 3 straight years they'd put real investment into this OL and they haven't. I'm hoping this is a wakeup call to Poles that he better stop w/the just throw bodies at it until it sticks approach he's tried so far.
Regardless of record and just for CW's development, Poles is gonna have to swing an in-season trade again if things don't improve substantially by mid/late October. He's done that twice already--one was a flop, one was an instant success.
Every year there are teams who are ready to pack it in by that point and start planning for the future. If/when that time comes here next month, he's gotta make a move even if its an "over pay".
You can't let your rookie QB get wrecked like we saw on Sunday night and just put it off until next season.
I've hoped for 3 straight years they'd put real investment into this OL and they haven't. I'm hoping this is a wakeup call to Poles that he better stop w/the just throw bodies at it until it sticks approach he's tried so far.
+1,000 to that one, Ric.
Talk is cheap. What a GM actually does, carries more weight. The Bears have invested in RT with Wright. Other than that it has been pretty much weak sauce. We've signed some deadbeats that other teams didn't value enough to keep. Poles did spend a 3rd round pick on the injured guy, Kiran Amegadjie, who has not played since October of 2023 (for Yale). And he signed the guy from the Canadian college, the UBC Thunderbirds who (I think) is still hanging on as a practice squad guy. Yes, he brought in Shelton and Bates. But if you look into those two guys' careers, they are not very good. Bates was a bench warmer who got 35 snaps last year... why on earth we needed another guy like that here, I can't fathom. Shelton has (at best) been a mediocre guy who his team did not value enough to keep... these are guys that davidl calls "lost dogs" and that's a good name for them. Why on earth would we want these guys?
I have a theory about Poles’ compulsion to bring in lost dogs. He thinks he is the smartest GM in the room. He can see value in these guys that all the other GMs have overlooked.
My other complaint is that he fills out the roster, including starting positions (like Shelton, Bates, Davis) with these guys and passes over quality free agents and draft prospects who could actually help the team. You used to excuse this and tell me he’s on the “learning curve”, but we’re now into year #3.
Talk is cheap. What a GM actually does, carries more weight. The Bears have invested in RT with Wright. Other than that it has been pretty much weak sauce. We've signed some deadbeats that other teams didn't value enough to keep. Poles did spend a 3rd round pick on the injured guy, Kiran Amegadjie, who has not played since October of 2023 (for Yale). And he signed the guy from the Canadian college, the UBC Thunderbirds who (I think) is still hanging on as a practice squad guy. Yes, he brought in Shelton and Bates. But if you look into those two guys' careers, they are not very good. Bates was a bench warmer who got 35 snaps last year... why on earth we needed another guy like that here, I can't fathom. Shelton has (at best) been a mediocre guy who his team did not value enough to keep... these are guys that davidl calls "lost dogs" and that's a good name for them. Why on earth would we want these guys?
I have a theory about Poles’ compulsion to bring in lost dogs. He thinks he is the smartest GM in the room. He can see value in these guys that all the other GMs have overlooked.
My other complaint is that he fills out the roster, including starting positions (like Shelton, Bates, Davis) with these guys and passes over quality free agents and draft prospects who could actually help the team. You used to excuse this and tell me he’s on the “learning curve”, but we’re now into year #3.
My best guess is that Poles feels confident (over-confident?) in his OL evals as a former OL-man himself. Every GM has to make hard choices as no one can "invest heavily" at every position group. My guess is that Poles thought he could cut a few corners investment-wise on the iOL as he believed in his evaluations (perhaps too much). He bragged just last month about having "so much depth" on the OL. The guy has been overtly proud of what he's done there.
This is probably Poles' biggest crisis as GM thus far. People understood and forgave him for the last 2 crappy years and the Claypool debacle. But you're right -- its year 3 and excuse time is about over. Even Ryan said "its time to win" last month.
There will be no quick forgiveness if the OL continues to be so shoddy that it wrecks Williams and the impressive weapons has has put together. He's under the gun this year to show real progress team-wise and QB-wise. I'll bet things are pretty damn tense in that fancy office of his right now. I bet there's some really bad words flying back and forth in meetings.
Like I said, Poles passed on Stroud to draft Williams a year later. He also passed on Harbaugh (and Kubiak and maybe Fangio too) in order to stick with Flus. He's gotta make this work or he's cooked.
Every GM has to make hard choices as no one can "invest heavily" at every position group. My guess is that Poles thought he could cut a few corners investment-wise on the iOL as he believed in his evaluations (perhaps too much). He bragged just last month about having "so much depth" on the OL. The guy has been overtly proud of what he's done there.
+1 I've been thinking that he must be pretty ashamed of the performance of the offensive line. All the hype about him and Cunningham being ex-offensive linemen and him bragging about the great OL he's put together this season.
And then they go out on gamedays and crap the bed (in front of a national audience on SNF too).
Poles must feel like a blooming idiot right now after his press conference bragging about this offensive line a few weeks ago. And he should.