We have read/heard a lot of predictions from the experts regarding how the team will do this year. It's all over the board. It is all over the board because there are a LOT of unknowns in the equation at this point. We don't know how the team will actually perform in "real" games this year. Personally I keep coming back to the fact that:
1. Rookie QBs usually do have a steep learning curve that first season. CJ was an aberration. This isn't Mahomes & the Chiefs or even Houston and CJ. Probably not happening. 2. We don't know how good or bad the D and Olines will be this year. Preseason isn't real football. Let's see how these units actually perform when the bullets start flying. And a few injuries can really hurt these units (think someone like Sweat or Wright or Brax going on IR). I guarantee you some key players WILL be injured this year and yes, that will hurt the team. 3. The Division is going to be brutal competition this year. 4. Key injuries can change everything (not just the linemen but now I'm talking about the other units on the team). 5. The Bears are not the only team that improved this off-season. That schedule won't be as easy as some want to make it sound. 6. Our coaching staff still needs to prove itself as being good. Especially Eberflus. I like him and want him to succeed... but it's still a hope-thing at this point. We need to see it happen now in the real football games.
My only point is that nobody knows for sure how this season will play out. I'm as optimistic as anyone. But I also understand this could easily be an 8 win team. If anyone does not believe that is possible, hey, read those 6 points above, again. Anything is possible this year (more so than most years in the past... lots of moving parts here).
Of course, he could be right but I hope we do better than he predicts
BIH, I do think we'll probably do a bit better but it's not a given that we will. He made some good points as to why the team may not do as well as fans think. He didn't come across as a hater, but just trying to prepare us fans that this could be a very average team this year. I liked what he said here:
"I get why Bears fans are expecting so much. I feel like, nationally, people are expecting too much. But the thing they’re expecting might happen. I just don’t think it’s likely to happen. I just feel like you have to predict rookie quarterbacks will be bad. They’re not necessarily bad. Some of them are good. And some of them are average. And some of them are really, really bad. You don’t project rookie quarterbacks to be any of those things, you project them to be average. Average for rookies, which means bad. I feel like the expectations, yes they have surrounded him with a good team, the offensive line feels good, adding Keenan Allen is very positive, that’s represented in our projections. People like (Rome) Odunze. But I feel like people need to slow their roll a little bit. It could be really good, but it could also disappoint. Probably not as bad as the Panthers disappointed last year because there’s more around Williams than there was around Bryce Young but Bryce Young was the No. 1 overall pick and he was terrible. You just don’t know."
We have read/heard a lot of predictions from the experts regarding how the team will do this year. It's all over the board. It is all over the board because there are a LOT of unknowns in the equation at this point. We don't know how the team will actually perform in "real" games this year. Personally I keep coming back to the fact that:
1. Rookie QBs usually do have a steep learning curve that first season. CJ was an aberration. This isn't Mahomes & the Chiefs or even Houston and CJ. Probably not happening. 2. We don't know how good or bad the D and Olines will be this year. Preseason isn't real football. Let's see how these units actually perform when the bullets start flying. And a few injuries can really hurt these units (think someone like Sweat or Wright or Brax going on IR). I guarantee you some key players WILL be injured this year and yes, that will hurt the team. 3. The Division is going to be brutal competition this year. 4. Key injuries can change everything (not just the linemen but now I'm talking about the other units on the team). 5. The Bears are not the only team that improved this off-season. That schedule won't be as easy as some want to make it sound. 6. Our coaching staff still needs to prove itself as being good. Especially Eberflus. I like him and want him to succeed... but it's still a hope-thing at this point. We need to see it happen now in the real football games.
My only point is that nobody knows for sure how this season will play out. I'm as optimistic as anyone. But I also understand this could easily be an 8 win team. If anyone does not believe that is possible, hey, read those 6 points above, again. Anything is possible this year (more so than most years in the past... lots of moving parts here).
If this could “easily” be an 8-win season, I could “easily” lose my $100 bet on over 8.5. If Bears win 8 games (1 more than last year), a lot of things would have to play out badly on most of those things he’s talking about. You have to be a cynical glass half-empty person like this guy to assign high probability to that.
If this could “easily” be an 8-win season, I could “easily” lose my $100 bet on over 8.5. If Bears win 8 games (1 more than last year), a lot of things would have to play out badly on most of those things he’s talking about. You have to be a cynical glass half-empty person like this guy to assign high probability to that.
I don't think he was being negative, but rather pointing out how we just don't know how good or bad the team will be. Personally, I think you'll win that bet. Hey, the team could win double-digit wins too. But we don't know that.
We have read/heard a lot of predictions from the experts regarding how the team will do this year. It's all over the board. It is all over the board because there are a LOT of unknowns in the equation at this point. We don't know how the team will actually perform in "real" games this year. Personally I keep coming back to the fact that:
1. Rookie QBs usually do have a steep learning curve that first season. CJ was an aberration. This isn't Mahomes & the Chiefs or even Houston and CJ. Probably not happening. 2. We don't know how good or bad the D and Olines will be this year. Preseason isn't real football. Let's see how these units actually perform when the bullets start flying. And a few injuries can really hurt these units (think someone like Sweat or Wright or Brax going on IR). I guarantee you some key players WILL be injured this year and yes, that will hurt the team. 3. The Division is going to be brutal competition this year. 4. Key injuries can change everything (not just the linemen but now I'm talking about the other units on the team). 5. The Bears are not the only team that improved this off-season. That schedule won't be as easy as some want to make it sound. 6. Our coaching staff still needs to prove itself as being good. Especially Eberflus. I like him and want him to succeed... but it's still a hope-thing at this point. We need to see it happen now in the real football games.
My only point is that nobody knows for sure how this season will play out. I'm as optimistic as anyone. But I also understand this could easily be an 8 win team. If anyone does not believe that is possible, hey, read those 6 points above, again. Anything is possible this year (more so than most years in the past... lots of moving parts here).
Valid points but sheesh did you have to say what you did in #2. Knock on some wood!
We have read/heard a lot of predictions from the experts regarding how the team will do this year. It's all over the board. It is all over the board because there are a LOT of unknowns in the equation at this point. We don't know how the team will actually perform in "real" games this year. Personally I keep coming back to the fact that:
1. Rookie QBs usually do have a steep learning curve that first season. CJ was an aberration. This isn't Mahomes & the Chiefs or even Houston and CJ. Probably not happening. 2. We don't know how good or bad the D and Olines will be this year. Preseason isn't real football. Let's see how these units actually perform when the bullets start flying. And a few injuries can really hurt these units (think someone like Sweat or Wright or Brax going on IR). I guarantee you some key players WILL be injured this year and yes, that will hurt the team. 3. The Division is going to be brutal competition this year. 4. Key injuries can change everything (not just the linemen but now I'm talking about the other units on the team). 5. The Bears are not the only team that improved this off-season. That schedule won't be as easy as some want to make it sound. 6. Our coaching staff still needs to prove itself as being good. Especially Eberflus. I like him and want him to succeed... but it's still a hope-thing at this point. We need to see it happen now in the real football games.
My only point is that nobody knows for sure how this season will play out. I'm as optimistic as anyone. But I also understand this could easily be an 8 win team. If anyone does not believe that is possible, hey, read those 6 points above, again. Anything is possible this year (more so than most years in the past... lots of moving parts here).
If this could “easily” be an 8-win season, I could “easily” lose my $100 bet on over 8.5. If Bears win 8 games (1 more than last year), a lot of things would have to play out badly on most of those things he’s talking about. You have to be a cynical glass half-empty person like this guy to assign high probability to that.
I think the Bears have the schedule to make a bigger jump than 1 game over last season. We all went into 23 thinking QB1 was going to transcend and that didnt happen. We all are trying to temper our enthusiasm about Caleb going into this season but it is clear as day he is on another level than Mitch & JF1 (showing out as a rookie). I was firmly in the 'keep JF1 and trade down for more pics' camp but watching 18 in all aspects, he is the guy who everyone thought he was for the past 2 yrs. Highly touted #1 for a reason. The roster has so much more top talent and depth than a season ago. I think you will be fine at 8.5. In Poles we trust!
Post by brasilbear on Aug 23, 2024 18:13:34 GMT -6
Like most writers in the prediction department, Swartz and DVOA now coach their season expectations with plenty of wiggle room. They used to be more firm on what their model predicted and would publish a column of where each individual writer believed their model was going to miss. They stopped doing that (even before footballoustiders.com collapsed.)
Even in that article he wiggles around the fact that the model predicts a bottom 10 season across the board for the Bears. Where their model is weak is in identifying teams that are poised to make big jumps. I think the model presumes linear progression in team development, but its not linear. But non-linear predictions are hard to make. For awhile critics on their site would poke them for always prediction better and better seasons for established players and teams, even through everyone knows that players skills fall of cliffs more often than not, some team goes from last to first each season, and out of 14 playoff teams there will be 3-4 new ones each year.
None of that above means I think the Bears are going 15-2, and going to the SB. I think the over on 8.5 wins is possible, even likely. I think the back 7 of the DEF is stronger than last year. I think the WR+TE core is top 10 in the NFL. I think the OL is average at best and the D-line is between 16th and 24th. Williams is the total wildcard.
Post by paytonisgod on Aug 23, 2024 18:15:16 GMT -6
I like Schatz, and find the DVOA interesting, but I'm not clear where he is getting such a low number for next year. Last year the Bears' DVOA was 22 overall. I'm confused why he thinks that is going to go as low as 30 this year. To put it into perspective the 2022 team ended up 30 overall. I just don't see how this team is going to be that bad given the added talent.
Generally I find DVOA useful only around mid-season when there is enough data on the current teams. I don't think it does a good job predicting things from season to season. For instance the Texans went from 30 in 2022 to 12 in 2023. Miami went from 23 in 2021 to 8 in 2022. So it's clear that upgrades in certain areas can make a big difference.