That's one of the best, posts I've read here in a few weeks. And that bold/red part I especially liked. In hindsight I was remembering how Nagy trotted out Fields for his first start in that 3rd game of the 2021 season against the Browns (LINK). He had not been allowed to work with the 1's in preseason. Andy Dalton started the preseason games against the 1's too. Fields? He got 2 games working as the Bears' backup. When he was against real starters in the regular season in that 3rd game it was shocking how unprepared he was for the NFL. About the only thing Nagy had done for fields to "prepare" him for that start was to make him change his mechanics as a rookie - and then try to make Fields play Nagy's QB vision for Fields that just wasn't a fit for him at all. Square peg into round hole stuff. I don't think I'll ever be able to forget just how bad that was.
Fast forward to how Caleb Williams is being prepared for his first NFL start, and it is stunning how different Eberflus is setting this up for CW. Night-and-day different.
He was sure this was the magic bullet
When I look back on it all I realize just how dysfunctional the team was back then. It's almost an insurmountable learning curve for a college kid to become a starting QB1 in the NFL - even under good conditions. LOL, so who on earth dinks with a new kid's mechanics and then forces him into an offense that is not a fit for his skill set anyway?
Nagy.
Then don't let the kid practice with the 1's - but throw him into a regular season game like that, behind a bad OL to boot. Madness.
Very encouraged by what I'm seeing from Flus so far.
Last PS was a joke in the way they handled Fields. He threw like 3 screen passes the entire month, that's it. They clearly didn't trust him at all and it showed in week 1. It appears Flus has learned from that mistake. He opened 0-4 last year looking terrible the whole way and it nearly ended his career as a HC. Can't let that happen again.
Flus seems way more confident this year. Let your damn QB get reps in the PS! Yeah, you do risk injury but I think you gotta do it when you don't have a PROVEN starter yet. Love seeing Flus not turtle up and turning Caleb loose.
BTW, 2 other minor points I forgot: 1) It is sooooo nice to have a QB that can finally throw a proper slant. Both MT & JF sucked at it. 2) Bagent is a perfect #2 QB. The guy is smooth and crisp and CHEAP. He's good enough to get you a win or two if needed. So nice to not have any more Caleb Hanies or Nathan Petermans or PJ Walkers around. Love Bagent -- great UDFA find by Poles.
That's one of the best, posts I've read here in a few weeks. And that bold/red part I especially liked. In hindsight I was remembering how Nagy trotted out Fields for his first start in that 3rd game of the 2021 season against the Browns (LINK). He had not been allowed to work with the 1's in preseason. Andy Dalton started the preseason games against the 1's too. Fields? He got 2 games working as the Bears' backup. When he was against real starters in the regular season in that 3rd game it was shocking how unprepared he was for the NFL. About the only thing Nagy had done for fields to "prepare" him for that start was to make him change his mechanics as a rookie - and then try to make Fields play Nagy's QB vision for Fields that just wasn't a fit for him at all. Square peg into round hole stuff. I don't think I'll ever be able to forget just how bad that was.
Fast forward to how Caleb Williams is being prepared for his first NFL start, and it is stunning how different Eberflus is setting this up for CW. Night-and-day different.
Mahomes has won 3 SBs and multiple MVPs and even he was still getting snaps in the PS yesterday.
I feel like often the idea of "sitting a rookie QB behind a vet mentor" is just an unspoken admission of the fact that you drafted a guy who already has serious flaws. Ask yourself this: if Mitch or Fields had looked good and promising in their first OTAs and TCs, do you think all the 1st team reps would have gone to Glennon and Dalton? Do you think they would have been hidden away in the PS and not allowed to do anything besides handoffs and screen passes?
Been reading some coverage from the Steelers beat guys and man oh man it sure sounds like Pitt has the classic conundrum of "if you have 2 QBs, it means you don't have 1". Russell Wilson looks cooked. That guy fell off a cliff big time. And Fields is what we all know he is. Contain him in the pocket and play good zone coverage and he's a bottom-third QB.
I'm keep harping on Mitch and Fields because CW looks so different than those two. I'm not expecting miracles and I know he will have rookie struggles, but it feels like CW is already better than both of them ever were.
He can actually throw a proper slant. Wow, imagine we have a QB who actually has pocket awareness and shiftiness while keeping his eyes downfield. MT & JF had little of that and Cutler was so unaware that he got wrecked from the blindside over and over. Watching CW's practice reps on simple quick screens to the flat you can see how much more fluid and quick he is getting the ball out than those guys were. You know what I loved about that near-TD when RO stepped out? Tremendous improv skills when flushed out of the pocket. Mitch would have missed the throw. Justin would have dropped his eyes and ran.
If CW stays healthy, I expect him to be a rare 4000 yard passer as a rookie. He should at least do 3500 IMO.
When I look back on it all I realize just how dysfunctional the team was back then. It's almost an insurmountable learning curve for a college kid to become a starting QB1 in the NFL - even under good conditions. LOL, so who on earth dinks with a new kid's mechanics and then forces him into an offense that is not a fit for his skill set anyway?
Nagy.
Then don't let the kid practice with the 1's - but throw him into a regular season game like that, behind a bad OL to boot. Madness.
The whole blaming Nagy thing is cope at this point. Whatever his faults it's pretty obvious that the guy was handed a bunch of lemons. Mitch and Fields have shown their limitations in other systems and situations. Nothing Nagy did was going to change that. Hell, Nagy actually got one decent season out of Mitch before everyone figured out his limitations. And the more I read about Fields' first season the more I think the reason Fields wasn't ready was because Fields wasn't listening to what anyone was telling him. The QB room was apparently toxic as hell and it hadn't been that way until he showed up.
When I look back on it all I realize just how dysfunctional the team was back then. It's almost an insurmountable learning curve for a college kid to become a starting QB1 in the NFL - even under good conditions. LOL, so who on earth dinks with a new kid's mechanics and then forces him into an offense that is not a fit for his skill set anyway?
Nagy.
Then don't let the kid practice with the 1's - but throw him into a regular season game like that, behind a bad OL to boot. Madness.
The whole blaming Nagy thing is cope at this point. Whatever his faults it's pretty obvious that the guy was handed a bunch of lemons. Mitch and Fields have shown their limitations in other systems and situations. Nothing Nagy did was going to change that. Hell, Nagy actually got one decent season out of Mitch before everyone figured out his limitations. And the more I read about Fields' first season the more I think the reason Fields wasn't ready was because Fields wasn't listening to what anyone was telling him. The QB room was apparently toxic as hell and it hadn't been that way until he showed up.
I agree totally that Nagy wasn't 100% of the problem. But that doesn't change his contribution to the problem - he was a bad HC here. What he did (and did not do) with Fields was borderline criminal. We can "agree to disagree" on that.
Very encouraged by what I'm seeing from Flus so far.
Last PS was a joke in the way they handled Fields. He threw like 3 screen passes the entire month, that's it. They clearly didn't trust him at all and it showed in week 1. It appears Flus has learned from that mistake. He opened 0-4 last year looking terrible the whole way and it nearly ended his career as a HC. Can't let that happen again.
Flus seems way more confident this year. Let your damn QB get reps in the PS! Yeah, you do risk injury but I think you gotta do it when you don't have a PROVEN starter yet. Love seeing Flus not turtle up and turning Caleb loose.
BTW, 2 other minor points I forgot: 1) It is sooooo nice to have a QB that can finally throw a proper slant. Both MT & JF sucked at it. 2) Bagent is a perfect #2 QB. The guy is smooth and crisp and CHEAP. He's good enough to get you a win or two if needed. So nice to not have any more Caleb Hanies or Nathan Petermans or PJ Walkers around. Love Bagent -- great UDFA find by Poles.
That's one of the best, posts I've read here in a few weeks. And that bold/red part I especially liked. In hindsight I was remembering how Nagy trotted out Fields for his first start in that 3rd game of the 2021 season against the Browns (LINK). He had not been allowed to work with the 1's in preseason. Andy Dalton started the preseason games against the 1's too. Fields? He got 2 games working as the Bears' backup. When he was against real starters in the regular season in that 3rd game it was shocking how unprepared he was for the NFL. About the only thing Nagy had done for fields to "prepare" him for that start was to make him change his mechanics as a rookie - and then try to make Fields play Nagy's QB vision for Fields that just wasn't a fit for him at all. Square peg into round hole stuff. I don't think I'll ever be able to forget just how bad that was.
Fast forward to how Caleb Williams is being prepared for his first NFL start, and it is stunning how different Eberflus is setting this up for CW. Night-and-day different.
I don’t mind a slow start so long as they are winning. No 1-4 stuff!
Very encouraged by what I'm seeing from Flus so far.
Last PS was a joke in the way they handled Fields. He threw like 3 screen passes the entire month, that's it. They clearly didn't trust him at all and it showed in week 1. It appears Flus has learned from that mistake. He opened 0-4 last year looking terrible the whole way and it nearly ended his career as a HC. Can't let that happen again.
Flus seems way more confident this year. Let your damn QB get reps in the PS! Yeah, you do risk injury but I think you gotta do it when you don't have a PROVEN starter yet. Love seeing Flus not turtle up and turning Caleb loose.
BTW, 2 other minor points I forgot: 1) It is sooooo nice to have a QB that can finally throw a proper slant. Both MT & JF sucked at it. 2) Bagent is a perfect #2 QB. The guy is smooth and crisp and CHEAP. He's good enough to get you a win or two if needed. So nice to not have any more Caleb Hanies or Nathan Petermans or PJ Walkers around. Love Bagent -- great UDFA find by Poles.
That's one of the best, posts I've read here in a few weeks. And that bold/red part I especially liked. In hindsight I was remembering how Nagy trotted out Fields for his first start in that 3rd game of the 2021 season against the Browns (LINK). He had not been allowed to work with the 1's in preseason. Andy Dalton started the preseason games against the 1's too. Fields? He got 2 games working as the Bears' backup. When he was against real starters in the regular season in that 3rd game it was shocking how unprepared he was for the NFL. About the only thing Nagy had done for fields to "prepare" him for that start was to make him change his mechanics as a rookie - and then try to make Fields play Nagy's QB vision for Fields that just wasn't a fit for him at all. Square peg into round hole stuff. I don't think I'll ever be able to forget just how bad that was.
Fast forward to how Caleb Williams is being prepared for his first NFL start, and it is stunning how different Eberflus is setting this up for CW. Night-and-day different.
This is entirely my personal speculation. There has been a lot of criticism about how our first team played against the Bengals' second team, especially during the first quarter. I think both the team management and the coaching staff understand that regardless of how talented Williams is, he is now (and will be for a while) a rookie NFL QB. The only really effective way for Williams to adjust to the NFL game is to play the NFL game. And what we saw was the Bears' way of getting Williams the requisite reps needed to bring him up to speed. I think that playing our first string OL against the Bengals 2nd team (or a mixture of their 1st and 2nd teams) was a calculated way to give Williams quality reps against a pretty solid defense without a serious risk of getting hit, sacked knocked down, etc.
With regards to Nagy, it was pretty obvious that he was in way over his head. As was Getsy. While I am happy that they are both gone, I don't think that they had much more support than Trubisky and Fields did. They were thrown to the wolves themselves. I personally wish them well and hope they get a chance in their careers to develop and get another chance at being an OC and/or a HC.
That's one of the best, posts I've read here in a few weeks. And that bold/red part I especially liked. In hindsight I was remembering how Nagy trotted out Fields for his first start in that 3rd game of the 2021 season against the Browns (LINK). He had not been allowed to work with the 1's in preseason. Andy Dalton started the preseason games against the 1's too. Fields? He got 2 games working as the Bears' backup. When he was against real starters in the regular season in that 3rd game it was shocking how unprepared he was for the NFL. About the only thing Nagy had done for fields to "prepare" him for that start was to make him change his mechanics as a rookie - and then try to make Fields play Nagy's QB vision for Fields that just wasn't a fit for him at all. Square peg into round hole stuff. I don't think I'll ever be able to forget just how bad that was.
Fast forward to how Caleb Williams is being prepared for his first NFL start, and it is stunning how different Eberflus is setting this up for CW. Night-and-day different.
This is entirely my personal speculation. There has been a lot of criticism about how our first team played against the Bengals' second team, especially during the first quarter. I think both the team management and the coaching staff understand that regardless of how talented Williams is, he is now (and will be for a while) a rookie NFL QB. The only really effective way for Williams to adjust to the NFL game is to play the NFL game. And what we saw was the Bears' way of getting Williams the requisite reps needed to bring him up to speed. I think that playing our first string OL against the Bengals 2nd team (or a mixture of their 1st and 2nd teams) was a calculated way to give Williams quality reps against a pretty solid defense without a serious risk of getting hit, sacked knocked down, etc.
With regards to Nagy, it was pretty obvious that he was in way over his head. As was Getsy. While I am happy that they are both gone, I don't think that they had much more support than Trubisky and Fields did. They were thrown to the wolves themselves. I personally wish them well and hope they get a chance in their careers to develop and get another chance at being an OC and/or a HC.
+1 to all of that. But in particular with that part about Caleb being a rookie. I think we all need to remind ourselves that rookies are rookies and it won't all be pretty on gamedays with CW. Caleb was very honest about how he still struggles with some things. It's not that he can't learn. But here is a time element to this learning curve for QB's new to the NFL. I think Saturday's Bengals game could be a lot like the upcoming season. Some struggles at times but with some fantastic stuff at times. Both.