There two things that worry be about the Bears next year. Pace and Fox. I remember last year everyone was thinking that with Pace and Fox returning and players coming off the injury list that this was going to be a damn good year to be a Bears fan. But just the opposite happen, they have a worse record, more injuries and far more turbulence. Hell, were asking the same questions this year, especially on offense, that we asked at this time last year. Is Jeffery coming back, is White really a top WR. who will be the Bears TE or QB will the Bears improve the O line. The only position that as far as us fans are concerned that improved is RB, and hell this only happen by dumb luck, an accident and injury.
I guess because I was a RB, I have to say to the people who want to point out how next year with all the young talent on defense, the defense should improvement greatly, leaving the main defensive needs being in the secondary. My answers to that is so what, the may help win games, but Offense needs to score points. Just thinking of the Offensives needs in FA and the Draft, the Bears need a starting TE, maybe 2 starting WR, for sure 2 starting Tackles and I guess they will waste a pick on a QB. If I was betting man, which I am, I would say the Bears will pick a defensive player in the first round and other defensive player in one of the next two rounds and waste a pick on a QB in the other. Doesn't leave much in the next few rounds to get the starters they need. Some will say they can get some of what the need in FA,. with all the CAP money the Bears have,got to ask how did that work out this year. The Bears didn't go after all that many key FAs and ones they did go after didn't pan out all that much mainly because of injury.
I guess my biggest worry about next season, is will I be posting another thread like this around this time next year. Personally I believe I will be, but hope not.
There two things that worry be about the Bears next year. Pace and Fox. I remember last year everyone was thinking that with Pace and Fox returning and players coming off the injury list that this was going to be a damn good year to be a Bears fan. But just the opposite happen, they have a worse record, more injuries and far more turbulence. Hell, were asking the same questions this year, especially on offense, that we asked at this time last year. Is Jeffery coming back, is White really a top WR. who will be the Bears TE or QB will the Bears improve the O line. The only position that as far as us fans are concerned that improved is RB, and hell this only happen by dumb luck, an accident and injury.
I guess because I was a RB, I have to say to the people who want to point out how next year with all the young talent on defense, the defense should improvement greatly, leaving the main defensive needs being in the secondary. My answers to that is so what, the may help win games, but Offense needs to score points. Just thinking of the Offensives needs in FA and the Draft, the Bears need a starting TE, maybe 2 starting WR, for sure 2 starting Tackles and I guess they will waste a pick on a QB. If I was betting man, which I am, I would say the Bears will pick a defensive player in the first round and other defensive player in one of the next two rounds and waste a pick on a QB in the other. Doesn't leave much in the next few rounds to get the starters they need. Some will say they can get some of what the need in FA,. with all the CAP money the Bears have,got to ask how did that work out this year. The Bears didn't go after all that many key FAs and ones they did go after didn't pan out all that much mainly because of injury.
I guess my biggest worry about next season, is will I be posting another thread like this around this time next year. Personally I believe I will be, but hope not.
The Bears are so thin at so many positions that there just are not enough draft picks to fill all the holes. It's going to take a combination of current players improving, good FA adds and another solid draft. Even if all of what I said goes as planned the team still won't be a SB contender most likely. If everything goes well I do think they have a shot and being a wild card playoff team though.
Hopefully they are able to add enough key players that by 2018 they will have a solid team that is a favorite to win the division.
I concur with JJ on just about all of this. I actually saw the 2015 version of the Bears as an 8-8 level team who lost a couple more games due to some missed FGs by a guy who had become so automatic we seldom gave it a second thought and also via what I considered to be some poor on field coaching decisions by Fox.
Taking that and the offseason additions into consideration I thought 10-6 would be achievable even without Gase because Fox seemed so certain the system Gase put in place would survive his loss. Shame on Fox and shame on me for believing that. It never came close to remaining the same once Fox's influence on it grew.
If Vic Fangio doesn't become the second key coordinator to leave in consecutive years I do believe the defense will continue to improve provided some of the key DL and LBs can stay healthy but that secondary needs a ball hawk at FS along with two CBs who also play the ball better. That's the defenses glaring weakness.
Even if Fuller returns 100% healthy we already know he can't play in man coverage with his back to the CB so what do we do with him. I've been in favor of moving him to FS but now I'm not sure he has the physical or mental toughness for it so we may need to spend the big bucks on a guy like Eric Berry.
Offensively I really don't know what to suggest except maybe to get the AJ contract situation settled as quickly as possible and them move on to figuring out what combination of players and schemes can produce more than 17 points a game. I mean that's just plainly pathetic now matter how you slice it.
You can rack up all the passing yardage you want like Hoyer did and even avoid turnovers by playing timid but without some scoring you don't win. I don't like turnovers either but at least when Cutler and Barkley play I have this feeling that we're still in the game provided the OC loosens the offense up with his play calls.
Which leads me back to Fox. Is the guy so anally conservative that the only time we see some offense is when his back is against the wall and we end up having to go to a quicker or no huddle type game? Both Cutler and Barkley seem to run that well so why hasn't it been used more? That was the plan when Gase got here wasn't it or at least that's what I recall.
I just get the sense that under Fox there really is no offensive identity at all. It's just a hodge podge of plays. Some work and some don't and the only time we score is when we're down by so much the other guys are playing a prevent defense the entire 4th Q. The problem is I don't know whether to blame Loggains for his inexperience or Fox for his influence or both but that has got to change.
So I'll finish up by saying exactly what JJ did. I keep looking for signs of progress and all I see is one step forward and two steps back. So based on that I'm not gonna do the "magical thinking" deal to somehow convince myself this will get any better with the present cast of characters. There is obviously at least some talent on that roster but the chemistry needed to win games is lacking and to me that's all about coaching and it just isn't very good at all.
I concur with JJ on just about all of this. I actually saw the 2015 version of the Bears as an 8-8 level team who lost a couple more games due to some missed FGs by a guy who had become so automatic we seldom gave it a second thought and also via what I considered to be some poor on field coaching decisions by Fox.
Taking that and the offseason additions into consideration I thought 10-6 would be achievable even without Gase because Fox seemed so certain the system Gase put in place would survive his loss. Shame on Fox and shame on me for believing that. It never came close to remaining the same once Fox's influence on it grew.
If Vic Fangio doesn't become the second key coordinator to leave in consecutive years I do believe the defense will continue to improve provided some of the key DL and LBs can stay healthy but that secondary needs a ball hawk at FS along with two CBs who also play the ball better. That's the defenses glaring weakness.
Even if Fuller returns 100% healthy we already know he can't play in man coverage with his back to the CB so what do we do with him. I've been in favor of moving him to FS but now I'm not sure he has the physical or mental toughness for it so we may need to spend the big bucks on a guy like Eric Berry.
Offensively I really don't know what to suggest except maybe to get the AJ contract situation settled as quickly as possible and them move on to figuring out what combination of players and schemes can produce more than 17 points a game. I mean that's just plainly pathetic now matter how you slice it.
You can rack up all the passing yardage you want like Hoyer did and even avoid turnovers by playing timid but without some scoring you don't win. I don't like turnovers either but at least when Cutler and Barkley play I have this feeling that we're still in the game provided the OC loosens the offense up with his play calls.
Which leads me back to Fox. Is the guy so anally conservative that the only time we see some offense is when his back is against the wall and we end up having to go to a quicker or no huddle type game? Both Cutler and Barkley seem to run that well so why hasn't it been used more? That was the plan when Gase got here wasn't it or at least that's what I recall.
I just get the sense that under Fox there really is no offensive identity at all. It's just a hodge podge of plays. Some work and some don't and the only time we score is when we're down by so much the other guys are playing a prevent defense the entire 4th Q. The problem is I don't know whether to blame Loggains for his inexperience or Fox for his influence or both but that has got to change.
So I'll finish up by saying exactly what JJ did. I keep looking for signs of progress and all I see is one step forward and two steps back. So based on that I'm not gonna do the "magical thinking" deal to somehow convince myself this will get any better with the present cast of characters. There is obviously at least some talent on that roster but the chemistry needed to win games is lacking and to me that's all about coaching and it just isn't very good at all.
+1 After another season I have more questions than answers about the future of the team. I really hate that. I expected 3 years of rebuilding, with this being year-2 of the three years. I didn't expect this to be easy. But I expected to be significantly better than we are now.
I don't believe in writing off the season as being a victim of injuries. And in years past I used to argue with posters who did write off subpar Bears seasons to injury woes. But at the same time I do believe they are one factor among multiple factors for THIS season's problems. This is an atypical year for injuries.
I've tried to look at the season objectively and not blame it on one thing, like just QB woes, or just injuries, or just lack of roster talent, or just coaching or whatever. I believe all of those factors come into play to varying degrees. And I am a pragmatic person. While I am sad/angry over past franchise failures, I understand I can't change the past. I don't want an early heart attack over some past thing I don't have any control over. Consequently, I just want to get the team fixed as soon as humanly possible. End the pain. Just end the pain.
Realistically, I don't expect any changes from Pace on up to George McCaskey. Right or wrong, change is probably not in the cards at those levels. So, my hope for the future comes down to:
1. Get healthy and hopefully (in my lifetime) never have an epic injury-year like this one. 2. Have another solid draft. I don't expect Pace to bat .1000 but at least have another good year like this past one was. 3. Have a good free agency to patch some of the holes. Can't fix everything through the draft. 4. Get the QB position players for the future in place. Both a starter & a solid backup. Maybe 1 is already on our roster. Maybe not. But get it figured out. Now. 5. Coaching. We finally have a decent DC, and I would like to see us keep him. I really don't care if we upgrade the other coaches, but it needs to be an upgrade. Not just a new face. If you fire someone, then bring in someone better. Is that too much to hope for? I'm okay if we fire Fox, but it you do, please get it right this time.
Would someone tell me why the Bears fired Lovie, just to turnaround 3 years later and hirer Fox. Both are Defensive minded HC both have great DC and both think they can win a SB with a very well below average OC.
The only thing I disagree w/is a NEED for better OT's. Outside when Cutler plays they have done a good job in run and pass protection. They could USE 2 OT's, but it's not a NEED.
They do need 1 or 2 TE's, I don't care how good Miller is, he's shown he is incapable of staying healthy for 16 games which means he doesn't help much, he's also not that good of a blocker, and if you want to run the ball, you need a 2 way TE, not a glorified WR.
They NEED another 1 or 2 WR's, even if AJ comes back, Royal is likely gone and White just cannot be trusted no matter how good he might be.
They NEED a QB of the future, that's is a want or a wasted pick, the team needs a high ceiling qb to groom
On Def they NEED a 5 Tech, a FS, a CB and probably depth at S and CB.
This draft should mostly be about the Offense which continues to struggle to score points, which ends up putting to much stress on the Def.
Would someone tell me why the Bears fired Lovie, just to turnaround 3 years later and hirer Fox. Both are Defensive minded HC both have great DC and both think they can win a SB with a very well below average OC.
I didn't understand that either. I said at the time that Fox was Lovie 2.0, and that was the wrong direction.
QUOTE; "The only thing I disagree w/is a NEED for better OT's. Outside when Cutler plays they have done a good job in run and pass protection. They could USE 2 OT's, but it's not a NEED."
I get that you've somehow convinced yourself of this even after we timed Cutler earlier in the year when he was getting less than 2 seconds to set up and throw and when the blitzes came against a line not yet gelled enough to handle them it was far less than that.
Since the the pass blocking has improved dramatically especially from Massie whose grading out in the 70s and 80s now vs the 40s and 50s during the first few games. Cutler got plenty of protection in the Minny game and we destroyed a top defense so again the reality doesn't confirm your perceptions and that's all they are.
You look for reasons to criticize Cutler yet ignore the short comings of most every other passer none of whom beat a defense as good as Minny when we played them. Ok, enough of that. You just aren't correct is all.
What I will agree to is that Cutler does not throw early because with his arm his accuracy would be impacted by trying to throw to a spot before the receiver made his break. Trestman tried that with him and it failed badly. Gase went back to the old way of letting Cutler do it his way and he had one of his best years.
Cutler isn't a typical drop back passer who does the 1-2-3 throw thing. If he needs more time he's capable of shifting in the pocket or using his feet to step up and/or escape just like Rodgers but where GB has built there OL blocking and offense around that with the exception of Gase the Bears never have.
What you and others who would criticize fail to see is that asking Cutler do it your way is taking him out of what's most natural to him. The guy has a gun so he can wait that extra split second and then fit a throw into a window few if any other NFL QBs can do. At most we're talking a fraction of a second not seconds like you like to believe.
So if they keep his front porch clear like GB does for Rodgers he can take that extra fraction of a second and step into a throw once he sees that window and complete the pass. The problem is for far too long they haven't and yet they still want him to play more from the pocket. I can't throw a baseball or play guitar left handed either so if you ask me to do anything less than in the most natural way for me you won't get the best results either. If that's all they're gonna do with him then yeah, trade him because it will never work well if that's the case.
If Cutler was getting the type of protection Barkley is getting now the results would be much different but you're stacking up Cutlers sacks when he's played most of the toughest pass rushers we've faced all year vs the other two who have not. In this case stats won't tell you the whole story so when you use them like you are you're only misleading yourself.
Barkley as done a nice job especially playing with a bunch of backup WRs but let's not forget Cutler threw for almost 4000 yards in 15 games last year throwing to those same guys because he was operating in a system schemed to work for him. So what happened? My guess is Gase is gone and now once again we're playing the way a defensive minded HC with little offensive acumen wants his offense played and once again it doesn't fit Cutler like it did last year.
That's the reality of it Ric. It's not what you seem to think it is. That's just grabbing a stat out of mid air and extrapolating it into something else.
Here is the facts, that you claim to covet. There is nothing I find on the internet that isn't 3-4 years old. And at that Cutler holds onto the ball longer the most qb's, and on his sacks he tends to hold onto the ball for over 4 sec's; but again 3-4 years old. There is nothing for this year that is documented so those facts you claim to insist on don't exist.
Cutler 5 games 17 sacks every other qb 10 games 8 sacks