There’s No Reason Bears Can’t Keep Keenan Allen Beyond 2024

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There’s No Reason Bears Can’t Keep Keenan Allen Beyond 2024 May 25, 2024 19:30:58 GMT -6 JABF likes this

Post by davidl on May 25, 2024 19:30:58 GMT -6

May 25, 2024 18:20:03 GMT -6 JABF said:

May 25, 2024 15:17:34 GMT -6 davidl said:

I said I don’t want to be the Dallas Cowboys— sustained winning but no Super Bowl for nearly 30 years.

I figure there are different ways to sustain winning. But the key component (for sustained winning) is having a great QB1. The Cowboys don't have that. Kansas City does. The New England Patriots did it before them. The Steelers and 49ers were successful spanning years too. For that matter the Cowboys did it when they had elite QB play (Aikman & Staubach have 5 SB wins).

Once you have that elite level QB1, it makes it easier to build a dynasty... I'm not saying it's easy, but "easier" to do. We don't know if Caleb Williams can be elite, but if he is, then that, at least, opens up the possibility of sustained winning here. That should be the goal rather than an outlier team that has a tiny window for having a great year or two and then fade to nothing.

If he’s a Hall of Fame QB and we go all-in 2025-26, then we’ll be Super Bowl ready. On the other hand, if he’s not, then it’s still POSSIBLE with a solid team otherwise, but you’re not going to have multiple Super Bowl wins like Brady, Montana, Mahomes without a HOF guy.

The other thing is — and this is a personal thing with me — I just want ONE more Super Bowl win before I’m dead, and if I get that, I don’t care about sustained winning or anything else. It’s all gravy after that.

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There’s No Reason Bears Can’t Keep Keenan Allen Beyond 2024 May 26, 2024 1:16:32 GMT -6 shark86 likes this

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May 25, 2024 18:20:03 GMT -6 JABF said:

May 25, 2024 15:17:34 GMT -6 davidl said:

I said I don’t want to be the Dallas Cowboys— sustained winning but no Super Bowl for nearly 30 years.

I figure there are different ways to sustain winning. But the key component (for sustained winning) is having a great QB1. The Cowboys don't have that. Kansas City does. The New England Patriots did it before them. The Steelers and 49ers were successful spanning years too. For that matter the Cowboys did it when they had elite QB play (Aikman & Staubach have 5 SB wins).

Once you have that elite level QB1, it makes it easier to build a dynasty... I'm not saying it's easy, but "easier" to do. We don't know if Caleb Williams can be elite, but if he is, then that, at least, opens up the possibility of sustained winning here. That should be the goal rather than an outlier team that has a tiny window for having a great year or two and then fade to nothing.

Boy, we sure hope he will be elite. Otherwise we passed up a golden opportunity to massively build around JF.

I mean at this point, nothing makes me think he can't be elite. So we are all hoping and crossing our fingers

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There’s No Reason Bears Can’t Keep Keenan Allen Beyond 2024 May 26, 2024 8:08:35 GMT -6 shark86 likes this

Post by JABF on May 26, 2024 8:08:35 GMT -6

May 26, 2024 1:16:32 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

May 25, 2024 18:20:03 GMT -6 JABF said:

I figure there are different ways to sustain winning. But the key component (for sustained winning) is having a great QB1. The Cowboys don't have that. Kansas City does. The New England Patriots did it before them. The Steelers and 49ers were successful spanning years too. For that matter the Cowboys did it when they had elite QB play (Aikman & Staubach have 5 SB wins).

Once you have that elite level QB1, it makes it easier to build a dynasty... I'm not saying it's easy, but "easier" to do. We don't know if Caleb Williams can be elite, but if he is, then that, at least, opens up the possibility of sustained winning here. That should be the goal rather than an outlier team that has a tiny window for having a great year or two and then fade to nothing.

Boy, we sure hope he will be elite. Otherwise we passed up a golden opportunity to massively build around JF.

I mean at this point, nothing makes me think he can't be elite. So we are all hoping and crossing our fingers

+1-million to that ^^^^^
Now we just sit and wait to watch what actually happens here. It is hard for me to wait on anything, and it is going to seem like an eternity between now and the regular season for me. While we hope the Bears got this right, hey, we don't know that by any means.

Just to kill time I have been watching Caleb Williams games on YouTube. Now that the dust has settled and we've all heard the "generational QB" thing until we are sick of hearing it - I've tried to calm down and objectively watch Caleb's games again. This time through I've noticed that he is far from perfect. None of these college QBs are going to get away with stuff that they did before the NFL. I catch myself watching a play that was good for CW - thinking that that same play would never fly in the NFL against NFL defenses. The learning curve is steep. Just because the Bears have elite WRs now (and they do) it doesn't mean Caleb is on easy street as a rookie. If he doesn't have time to get the ball to receivers it doesn't matter if they are elite or a steaming pile of crap. I do believe the offensive line will set the ceiling for CW this year. If the OL is solid then we will more than likely see decent rookie play by Caleb. If the OL is bad (especially if injuries mean we trot out crap backups to "protect" CW) then it will be a major disappointment for Bears fans due to the fact he won't have a high 2024 ceiling. It will be Justin Fields verson-2 to some extent. I totally get it, that Bears fans don't believe that (since, of course, we have the "generational" QB who can walk on water) but it is not a done deal here with this new QB1. Like you, I'm crossing my fingers it all works out this time.

By the way, on a side note, I've reviewed the mighty "walk on water guy" C.J. Stroud. That guy was FAR from perfect his rookie season and his team bailed him out at times when he made some significant mistakes in games. Again, Bears fans point at him as if he was Tom Brady last year. He wasn't. For that matter, Tom Brady wasn't much of a Tom Brady his rookie year OR his 2nd season either.

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There’s No Reason Bears Can’t Keep Keenan Allen Beyond 2024 May 26, 2024 10:08:33 GMT -6

Post by davidl on May 26, 2024 10:08:33 GMT -6

May 26, 2024 8:08:35 GMT -6 JABF said:

May 26, 2024 1:16:32 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

Boy, we sure hope he will be elite. Otherwise we passed up a golden opportunity to massively build around JF.

I mean at this point, nothing makes me think he can't be elite. So we are all hoping and crossing our fingers

+1-million to that ^^^^^
Now we just sit and wait to watch what actually happens here. It is hard for me to wait on anything, and it is going to seem like an eternity between now and the regular season for me. While we hope the Bears got this right, hey, we don't know that by any means.

Just to kill time I have been watching Caleb Williams games on YouTube. Now that the dust has settled and we've all heard the "generational QB" thing until we are sick of hearing it - I've tried to calm down and objectively watch Caleb's games again. This time through I've noticed that he is far from perfect. None of these college QBs are going to get away with stuff that they did before the NFL. I catch myself watching a play that was good for CW - thinking that that same play would never fly in the NFL against NFL defenses. The learning curve is steep. Just because the Bears have elite WRs now (and they do) it doesn't mean Caleb is on easy street as a rookie. If he doesn't have time to get the ball to receivers it doesn't matter if they are elite or a steaming pile of crap. I do believe the offensive line will set the ceiling for CW this year. If the OL is solid then we will more than likely see decent rookie play by Caleb. If the OL is bad (especially if injuries mean we trot out crap backups to "protect" CW) then it will be a major disappointment for Bears fans due to the fact he won't have a high 2024 ceiling. It will be Justin Fields verson-2 to some extent. I totally get it, that Bears fans don't believe that (since, of course, we have the "generational" QB who can walk on water) but it is not a done deal here with this new QB1. Like you, I'm crossing my fingers it all works out this time.

By the way, on a side note, I've reviewed the mighty "walk on water guy" C.J. Stroud. That guy was FAR from perfect his rookie season and his team bailed him out at times when he made some significant mistakes in games. Again, Bears fans point at him as if he was Tom Brady last year. He wasn't. For that matter, Tom Brady wasn't much of a Tom Brady his rookie year OR his 2nd season either.

I don’t know anybody said Stroud was perfect, BUT 4,100 yards, 23/5 TD/INT ratio, and 100.8 rating is phenomenal for any QB — much less a rookie. He certainly deserved Offensive Rookie of the Year. If we had Stroud, we wouldn’t be sweating and praying Williams will be as good.

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There’s No Reason Bears Can’t Keep Keenan Allen Beyond 2024 May 26, 2024 11:19:48 GMT -6

Post by JABF on May 26, 2024 11:19:48 GMT -6

May 26, 2024 10:08:33 GMT -6 davidl said:

May 26, 2024 8:08:35 GMT -6 JABF said:

+1-million to that ^^^^^
Now we just sit and wait to watch what actually happens here. It is hard for me to wait on anything, and it is going to seem like an eternity between now and the regular season for me. While we hope the Bears got this right, hey, we don't know that by any means.

Just to kill time I have been watching Caleb Williams games on YouTube. Now that the dust has settled and we've all heard the "generational QB" thing until we are sick of hearing it - I've tried to calm down and objectively watch Caleb's games again. This time through I've noticed that he is far from perfect. None of these college QBs are going to get away with stuff that they did before the NFL. I catch myself watching a play that was good for CW - thinking that that same play would never fly in the NFL against NFL defenses. The learning curve is steep. Just because the Bears have elite WRs now (and they do) it doesn't mean Caleb is on easy street as a rookie. If he doesn't have time to get the ball to receivers it doesn't matter if they are elite or a steaming pile of crap. I do believe the offensive line will set the ceiling for CW this year. If the OL is solid then we will more than likely see decent rookie play by Caleb. If the OL is bad (especially if injuries mean we trot out crap backups to "protect" CW) then it will be a major disappointment for Bears fans due to the fact he won't have a high 2024 ceiling. It will be Justin Fields verson-2 to some extent. I totally get it, that Bears fans don't believe that (since, of course, we have the "generational" QB who can walk on water) but it is not a done deal here with this new QB1. Like you, I'm crossing my fingers it all works out this time.

By the way, on a side note, I've reviewed the mighty "walk on water guy" C.J. Stroud. That guy was FAR from perfect his rookie season and his team bailed him out at times when he made some significant mistakes in games. Again, Bears fans point at him as if he was Tom Brady last year. He wasn't. For that matter, Tom Brady wasn't much of a Tom Brady his rookie year OR his 2nd season either.

I don’t know anybody said Stroud was perfect, BUT 4,100 yards, 23/5 TD/INT ratio, and 100.8 rating is phenomenal for any QB — much less a rookie. He certainly deserved Offensive Rookie of the Year. If we had Stroud, we wouldn’t be sweating and praying Williams will be as good.

He had a fantastic rookie season. No question he deserved rookie of the year. I'm just saying he did struggle at times and made typical rookie QB1 mistakes that hurt his team. My only point is that when Bears fans leap from the ledges when our rookie QB1 makes those mistakes, it will be dumb. And 100% take that one to the bank. Over-react is what we do as fans. I'm guilty of it myself.

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There’s No Reason Bears Can’t Keep Keenan Allen Beyond 2024 May 26, 2024 12:14:19 GMT -6 JABF likes this

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May 26, 2024 11:19:48 GMT -6 JABF said:

May 26, 2024 10:08:33 GMT -6 davidl said:

I don’t know anybody said Stroud was perfect, BUT 4,100 yards, 23/5 TD/INT ratio, and 100.8 rating is phenomenal for any QB — much less a rookie. He certainly deserved Offensive Rookie of the Year. If we had Stroud, we wouldn’t be sweating and praying Williams will be as good.

He had a fantastic rookie season. No question he deserved rookie of the year. I'm just saying he did struggle at times and made typical rookie QB1 mistakes that hurt his team. My only point is that when Bears fans leap from the ledges when our rookie QB1 makes those mistakes, it will be dumb. And 100% take that one to the bank. Over-react is what we do as fans. I'm guilty of it myself.

I think everyone will be ecstatic if CW has this kind of season.

What I am dreaming of is he has a career much like the first 6 or 7 seasons of Dan Marino's career (link). Marino started 9 games his rookie season. If you extrapolate his performance in those games out to a 17 game season, he would have had something like 4200 to 4500 passing yards and 40 TDs with 10 Ints.

If that happens, I will have to check myself in to the Bear Kool-Aid rehab.

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There’s No Reason Bears Can’t Keep Keenan Allen Beyond 2024 May 26, 2024 12:28:44 GMT -6 JABF likes this

Post by bearsinhouston on May 26, 2024 12:28:44 GMT -6

May 26, 2024 8:08:35 GMT -6 JABF said:

May 26, 2024 1:16:32 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

Boy, we sure hope he will be elite. Otherwise we passed up a golden opportunity to massively build around JF.

I mean at this point, nothing makes me think he can't be elite. So we are all hoping and crossing our fingers

+1-million to that ^^^^^
Now we just sit and wait to watch what actually happens here. It is hard for me to wait on anything, and it is going to seem like an eternity between now and the regular season for me. While we hope the Bears got this right, hey, we don't know that by any means.

Just to kill time I have been watching Caleb Williams games on YouTube. Now that the dust has settled and we've all heard the "generational QB" thing until we are sick of hearing it - I've tried to calm down and objectively watch Caleb's games again. This time through I've noticed that he is far from perfect. None of these college QBs are going to get away with stuff that they did before the NFL. I catch myself watching a play that was good for CW - thinking that that same play would never fly in the NFL against NFL defenses. The learning curve is steep. Just because the Bears have elite WRs now (and they do) it doesn't mean Caleb is on easy street as a rookie. If he doesn't have time to get the ball to receivers it doesn't matter if they are elite or a steaming pile of crap. I do believe the offensive line will set the ceiling for CW this year. If the OL is solid then we will more than likely see decent rookie play by Caleb. If the OL is bad (especially if injuries mean we trot out crap backups to "protect" CW) then it will be a major disappointment for Bears fans due to the fact he won't have a high 2024 ceiling. It will be Justin Fields verson-2 to some extent. I totally get it, that Bears fans don't believe that (since, of course, we have the "generational" QB who can walk on water) but it is not a done deal here with this new QB1. Like you, I'm crossing my fingers it all works out this time.

By the way, on a side note, I've reviewed the mighty "walk on water guy" C.J. Stroud. That guy was FAR from perfect his rookie season and his team bailed him out at times when he made some significant mistakes in games. Again, Bears fans point at him as if he was Tom Brady last year. He wasn't. For that matter, Tom Brady wasn't much of a Tom Brady his rookie year OR his 2nd season either.

Yeah.... It is SO hard to know what the right thing to do is. I mean.... would it have been better to build around JF? We don't know if he is going to be a success or not in Pittsburgh. JW is still a crapshoot. Anyone will be. We have heard that he is having growing pains. Not what we like to hear, but honestly, it had to happen. So again, not knowing which was right or wrong, I still see no reason not to to think JW won't work out. At least not at this point. Yeah, we passed on an extreme rebuild, but if JF was the wrong guy, then the rebuild wouldn't have gotten us to a perennial contender anyway. I'm still good having gone down this road until something tells me it was the wrong wrong. Still excited about JW. But honestly, still don't know if the fork in the road was the right one. I can say it was probably the best best though and until you see the end results, best bet is the best you can do.

This negative stuff should turn into more positive stuff as he gets his sea legs. If that doesn't happen, THEN we can worry. But we are Bears fans. We will start early to avoid the worry rush, lol

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There’s No Reason Bears Can’t Keep Keenan Allen Beyond 2024 May 26, 2024 21:42:37 GMT -6

Post by motm on May 26, 2024 21:42:37 GMT -6

May 26, 2024 1:16:32 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

May 25, 2024 18:20:03 GMT -6 JABF said:

I figure there are different ways to sustain winning. But the key component (for sustained winning) is having a great QB1. The Cowboys don't have that. Kansas City does. The New England Patriots did it before them. The Steelers and 49ers were successful spanning years too. For that matter the Cowboys did it when they had elite QB play (Aikman & Staubach have 5 SB wins).

Once you have that elite level QB1, it makes it easier to build a dynasty... I'm not saying it's easy, but "easier" to do. We don't know if Caleb Williams can be elite, but if he is, then that, at least, opens up the possibility of sustained winning here. That should be the goal rather than an outlier team that has a tiny window for having a great year or two and then fade to nothing.

Boy, we sure hope he will be elite. Otherwise we passed up a golden opportunity to massively build around JF.

I mean at this point, nothing makes me think he can't be elite. So we are all hoping and crossing our fingers

Why would we want to build around a backup Tier QB?

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There’s No Reason Bears Can’t Keep Keenan Allen Beyond 2024 May 26, 2024 22:46:22 GMT -6 JABF likes this

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May 26, 2024 21:42:37 GMT -6 motm said:

May 26, 2024 1:16:32 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

Boy, we sure hope he will be elite. Otherwise we passed up a golden opportunity to massively build around JF.

I mean at this point, nothing makes me think he can't be elite. So we are all hoping and crossing our fingers

Why would we want to build around a backup Tier QB?

We wouldn't. But we aren't talking about one.

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There’s No Reason Bears Can’t Keep Keenan Allen Beyond 2024 May 27, 2024 7:53:38 GMT -6

Post by JABF on May 27, 2024 7:53:38 GMT -6

May 26, 2024 22:46:22 GMT -6 bearsinhouston said:

May 26, 2024 21:42:37 GMT -6 motm said:

Why would we want to build around a backup Tier QB?

We wouldn't. But we aren't talking about one.

+1
I was thinking about how ironic it would be if Fields would work out well in the Steelers franchise and win a super bowl - instead of the Bears with CW. Not saying that "would" happen. But crazy things happen in the NFL. I read where the Steelers are already "undoing" some of the "square peg into round hole" stuff the Bears did to Fields when they had him change his mechanics, among other things. Not a big deal in itself... but I found it interesting.

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