Matt Forte explains how Warren, Poles & Eberflus are changing the franchise culture for the better.
LINK Matt Forte sees Bears culture changing for better. He explains how. Forte shared his thoughts on the new Bears culture on the 'Up & Adams' show
A former Bears great believes the team’s culture has changed since he played, for the better. On Wednesday, Matt Forte joined Kay Adams on the “Up & Adams” show and voiced his approval for how new Bears brass like president/CEO Kevin Warren and GM Ryan Poles are running the organization now.
Head coach Matt Eberflus understands that value as well. When he was hired, he reached out to several Bears legends to begin building a relationship with past players. Every year, he’s invited Charles “Peanut” Tillman to speak in front of the rookies at their first professional minicamp.
The Bears talked a lot about changing the team’s culture when Poles and Eberflus took over the team in 2022. We saw evidence of that with the personnel decisions they made. Poles put high value on athletic players with a strong passion for the game. Eberflus installed his H.I.T.S system and made it clear that if players didn’t get on board, they wouldn’t see the field. We saw more evidence by the way Eberflus ran practice, and how Poles remained disciplined in free agency.
Post by bearsinhouston on May 24, 2024 16:18:25 GMT -6
I found this interesting since we are discussing Bears culture. I know it's about Fields but really only ex-Bear players or coaches would have real insight into this. This is not about Fields and his resurgence or lack of it. The culture in Pittsburgh is one thing. Whether Fields can be a good QB may or may not be related.
I found the difference in culture interesting. I had no idea the culture in Chicago was so stifling. I hope that it is not that way now, although Fields just left, so it does kind of worry me.
I found this interesting since we are discussing Bears culture. I know it's about Fields but really only ex-Bear players or coaches would have real insight into this. This is not about Fields and his resurgence or lack of it. The culture in Pittsburgh is one thing. Whether Fields can be a good QB may or may not be related.
I found the difference in culture interesting. I had no idea the culture in Chicago was so stifling. I hope that it is not that way now, although Fields just left, so it does kind of worry me.
The Steelers seem to have a solid culture. They've been blessed to have had a lot of coaching stability. The Bears cycle through GMs and HCs about as quickly as I change my underwear (okay, so I do change 'em a bit more often than Bears coaches). I'm so hoping we have a guy in Eberflus who is a good HC (only time will tell if he is or isn't) and we can keep the guy here like the Steelers do with their HCs.
The Steelers have had 3 head coaches in 55 years... close to 20 years average per HC. Mike Tomlin, Bill Cowher and Chuck Noll - all defensive coaches, all have super bowl championships. Cowher & Noll are in the Hall of Fame. The Steelers have 8 super bowl appearances and 6 SB wins. Great culture. Yeah, I'm so hoping this GM/HC can be the beginning of a good one here. Both were greener-than-a-gourd rookies and it's been a rough ride these first 2 seasons. But maybe, starting this season, we'll find out they are good. We're sure due for some of that good luck davidl is talking about
I found this interesting since we are discussing Bears culture. I know it's about Fields but really only ex-Bear players or coaches would have real insight into this. This is not about Fields and his resurgence or lack of it. The culture in Pittsburgh is one thing. Whether Fields can be a good QB may or may not be related.
I found the difference in culture interesting. I had no idea the culture in Chicago was so stifling. I hope that it is not that way now, although Fields just left, so it does kind of worry me.
The Steelers seem to have a solid culture. They've been blessed to have had a lot of coaching stability. The Bears cycle through GMs and HCs about as quickly as I change my underwear (okay, so I do change 'em a bit more often than Bears coaches). I'm so hoping we have a guy in Eberflus who is a good HC (only time will tell if he is or isn't) and we can keep the guy here like the Steelers do with their HCs.
The Steelers have had 3 head coaches in 55 years... close to 20 years average per HC. Mike Tomlin, Bill Cowher and Chuck Noll - all defensive coaches, all have super bowl championships. Cowher & Noll are in the Hall of Fame. The Steelers have 8 super bowl appearances and 6 SB wins. Great culture. Yeah, I'm so hoping this GM/HC can be the beginning of a good one here. Both were greener-than-a-gourd rookies and it's been a rough ride these first 2 seasons. But maybe, starting this season, we'll find out they are good. We're sure due for some of that good luck davidl is talking about
The worrying part for me (yeah.... tell me I'm being negative) is that JF literally just left. Most of what created the culture is still here. The OC has changed. (I posted another JF article in the NFL forum - for some reason there seem to be a ton of JF articles being written now- Getsy was forcing him to do stuff that was not natural, but that is coach dependent more than culture dependent). I wonder if the Bears still have the same culture as when JF was here. The management is pretty much still the same.
The Steelers seem to have a solid culture. They've been blessed to have had a lot of coaching stability. The Bears cycle through GMs and HCs about as quickly as I change my underwear (okay, so I do change 'em a bit more often than Bears coaches). I'm so hoping we have a guy in Eberflus who is a good HC (only time will tell if he is or isn't) and we can keep the guy here like the Steelers do with their HCs.
The Steelers have had 3 head coaches in 55 years... close to 20 years average per HC. Mike Tomlin, Bill Cowher and Chuck Noll - all defensive coaches, all have super bowl championships. Cowher & Noll are in the Hall of Fame. The Steelers have 8 super bowl appearances and 6 SB wins. Great culture. Yeah, I'm so hoping this GM/HC can be the beginning of a good one here. Both were greener-than-a-gourd rookies and it's been a rough ride these first 2 seasons. But maybe, starting this season, we'll find out they are good. We're sure due for some of that good luck davidl is talking about
The worrying part for me (yeah.... tell me I'm being negative) is that JF literally just left. Most of what created the culture is still here. The OC has changed. (I posted another JF article in the NFL forum - for some reason there seem to be a ton of JF articles being written now- Getsy was forcing him to do stuff that was not natural, but that is coach dependent more than culture dependent). I wonder if the Bears still have the same culture as when JF was here. The management is pretty much still the same.
There were layers of organizational failures with Fields development here. Some like to argue that it's all on Fields, and he is just a bad player. Rather than beat that dead horse here, let's set that aside for now and look at the other factors. It looks like the regime that drafted Fields (Pace/Nagy) drafted a guy who did not fit what Nagy wanted in his offense. He tried to force Fields to play something he wasn't comfortable at all playing - and if you recall they even made him change his throwing mechanics early-on (lunatic stuff in hindsight to force a rookie to do that sort of thing). On top of that, the Pace/Nagy regime never provided the offense the player-support that would allow a rookie QB to succeed. I doubt Caleb would have succeeded in that environment either. Crap coaches, crap OL, crap receivers... and forced to change his throwing mechanics and then play in a system not really set up for him... it just seemed nuts to me. If the Bears had carefully planned to screw up a young QB, they couldn't have orchestrated failure any better than that (again, I'm not claiming here that Fields is good or bad... just that the system itself was broken when he was drafted by the Bears).
Pace/Nagy are fired and Poles/Eberflus are hired as 1st time rookie guys - and they were given Fields from the failed regime. They made a mistake right out of the chute hiring a rookie OC who had never called plays... and had never been an offensive coordinator (his claim to fame was that he had been with Aaron Rodgers... as if some magic might have rubbed off on him - it didn't). The Bears promptly tank in that first season. The offense was bad, again. Then last season it looked like Getsy still wasn't getting it done as OC, and the offense went into the season with injuries on the OL... initially the OL sucked because you had a green rookie RT, a total crap C, Jenkins was on IR, and RG Nate Davis had missed a lot of the off season and preseason due to personal reasons (and then he gets injured). The OL was a train wreck. The coach was a train wreck, the WR unit sucked other than DJ Moore. It wasn't a good situation.
Getsy was fired at the end of that season and Fields traded.
Should the Bears have had more of a 2024-type offense, supporting Fields when he got here, like Caleb has now? Certainly. I tend to think this GM/HC regime inherited a mess and it took 2 seasons to climb out of it on offense - now in the 3rd season, 2024, the GM and HC have learned and build a better offense that can (finally) support a QB here... coaching and supporting roster talent. So I do blame Poles and Eberflus for some of this too. But maybe they've learned (the offense sure looks set up for success now). In fairness they inherited a bad situation and Fields was not their guy they drafted to begin with - and as rookie GM/HC's they had a learning curve themselves to climb. The Getsy hire was a bad hire, period.
That's my 2-cents worth on where the team is at now, and how they got here to this point. Poles and Eberflus could still be successful here. But we gotta see it now.
The worrying part for me (yeah.... tell me I'm being negative) is that JF literally just left. Most of what created the culture is still here. The OC has changed. (I posted another JF article in the NFL forum - for some reason there seem to be a ton of JF articles being written now- Getsy was forcing him to do stuff that was not natural, but that is coach dependent more than culture dependent). I wonder if the Bears still have the same culture as when JF was here. The management is pretty much still the same.
There were layers of organizational failures with Fields development here. Some like to argue that it's all on Fields, and he is just a bad player. Rather than beat that dead horse here, let's set that aside for now and look at the other factors. It looks like the regime that drafted Fields (Pace/Nagy) drafted a guy who did not fit what Nagy wanted in his offense. He tried to force Fields to play something he wasn't comfortable at all playing - and if you recall they even made him change his throwing mechanics early-on (lunatic stuff in hindsight to force a rookie to do that sort of thing). On top of that, the Pace/Nagy regime never provided the offense the player-support that would allow a rookie QB to succeed. I doubt Caleb would have succeeded in that environment either. Crap coaches, crap OL, crap receivers... and forced to change his throwing mechanics and then play in a system not really set up for him... it just seemed nuts to me. If the Bears had carefully planned to screw up a young QB, they couldn't have orchestrated failure any better than that (again, I'm not claiming here that Fields is good or bad... just that the system itself was broken when he was drafted by the Bears).
Pace/Nagy are fired and Poles/Eberflus are hired as 1st time rookie guys - and they were given Fields from the failed regime. They made a mistake right out of the chute hiring a rookie OC who had never called plays... and had never been an offensive coordinator (his claim to fame was that he had been with Aaron Rodgers... as if some magic might have rubbed off on him - it didn't). The Bears promptly tank in that first season. The offense was bad, again. Then last season it looked like Getsy still wasn't getting it done as OC, and the offense went into the season with injuries on the OL... initially the OL sucked because you had a green rookie RT, a total crap C, Jenkins was on IR, and RG Nate Davis had missed a lot of the off season and preseason due to personal reasons (and then he gets injured). The OL was a train wreck. The coach was a train wreck, the WR unit sucked other than DJ Moore. It wasn't a good situation.
Getsy was fired at the end of that season and Fields traded.
Should the Bears have had more of a 2024-type offense, supporting Fields when he got here, like Caleb has now? Certainly. I tend to think this GM/HC regime inherited a mess and it took 2 seasons to climb out of it on offense - now in the 3rd season, 2024, the GM and HC have learned and build a better offense that can (finally) support a QB here... coaching and supporting roster talent. So I do blame Poles and Eberflus for some of this too. But maybe they've learned (the offense sure looks set up for success now). In fairness they inherited a bad situation and Fields was not their guy they drafted to begin with - and as rookie GM/HC's they had a learning curve themselves to climb. The Getsy hire was a bad hire, period.
That's my 2-cents worth on where the team is at now, and how they got here to this point. Poles and Eberflus could still be successful here. But we gotta see it now.
JABF, I think we may be discussing two different issues. I think you are addressing the JF development issue. I agree with your previous posts. Those issues are behind us and are a massively beaten dead horse. Whether or not JF was supported, whether he will succeed, etc are a different issue than I am trying to bring up.
That article discussed the Bears culture, not so much (although it touched on it), his support. JF just left. Flus and Poles and Warren were all here when he was let go. And I am a big proponent of Poles and Warren. But when they talk about how much more open the Pitts culture is than the Bears culture, well that culture is the culture we had under this same management. I like this management and what they have done so it kind of troubles me to hear that. The JF development is a different issue. Other than Flus, most of the guys responsible for that are gone.
JABF, I think we may be discussing two different issues. I think you are addressing the JF development issue. I agree with your previous posts. Those issues are behind us and are a massively beaten dead horse. Whether or not JF was supported, whether he will succeed, etc are a different issue than I am trying to bring up.
That article discussed the Bears culture, not so much (although it touched on it), his support. JF just left. Flus and Poles and Warren were all here when he was let go. And I am a big proponent of Poles and Warren. But when they talk about how much more open the Pitts culture is than the Bears culture, well that culture is the culture we had under this same management. I like this management and what they have done so it kind of troubles me to hear that. The JF development is a different issue. Other than Flus, most of the guys responsible for that are gone.
You're right, but in my simple mind it is all mixed together, at least some. When I isolate the culture thing, I believe there is a good layer at the locker room level (kudos to Poles/Eberflus for that component) but the overall franchise culture has been dysfunctional. And you are right, in that we've beaten the Fields thing to death - but that is part of the dysfunction history here. Just a part but a recent one. For context, I'm talking about culture as the overall environment of this franchise for acquiring & then nurturing talent - supporting its most important resource - its players - so they can be their best and yes, win. If we look at the organization in that light it has been an abysmal culture, and the history documents it pretty well. The culture begins with ownership and every layer of the organization beneath ownership plays a part in the culture (including the players too). The GM (Poles/Cunningham) level looks to me like they are improving after 2 seasons. The coaching level is going to have to prove itself this 3rd season - I totally agree that Eberflus needs to showcase that he can provide the coaching level that supports a winning culture here. We need to see that happen now that we finally have good talent for him to work with.... and I include the new offense coaching staff in this too. The Steelers have proven at the highest levels that they have a solid winning culture there. They have developed their talent (a high % of success with 6 Super Bowl wins in 8 Super Bowl appearances). They have continuity of leadership over the past ~60 seasons. Their last two head coaches are in the Hall of Fame - and Tomlin, their present HC has won a Super Bowl too. Good culture spanning more than a half-century of success. The Bears? No, they have fumbled the ball here bigtime.
My hope (and I believe it is reasonable hope) is that Poles/Cunningham are looking like they can be solid here. Eberflus could or could not be. We just need to watch what actually happens now. LOL, I probably misunderstood the question and answered it wrong... but that's my take on the Culture/History here.