Post by butkus3595 on Aug 29, 2016 19:16:35 GMT -6
What does staying healthy this year prove exactly? Does it somehow ensure he will stay healthy next year? I would think the two straight years of 16 games played would have done that...did that prove it fairy dust not work right?
I agree and said that to the Jeffery-injury-apologists on the old board. All Pace wants to see is AJ have the type of year he's had before AND stay healthy (play at least 14 games). Is that too much to ask? There were some guys who were completely in denial that he was made of glass last year.
As for White, don't get your hopes up for this season. I expect little from him based on what we have seen in PS.
Yep, I don't think Pace has any problem with paying AJ as a top five WR once he proves that he is one and can consistently stay one. He would have been tripping over himself to sign a 4 year $42 mil deal with AJ but I'm thinking that $42 mil was probably just about the amount AJs agent was asking for in guarantees alone.
Using the tag and kicking the can down the road 'til next year was the right thing to do. Even if prices rise spending a few mil more vs risking just a little less than that now didn't make good sense for a guy coming off a season full if injuries. AJ can dominate a game but not when he isn't even on the field.
I agree. I don't get the impression that he does not want to pay him. As a matter of fact, I think he is hoping that AJ will give him an excuse to pay him. but AJ has not made all the right moves off the field. Let hope he does on the field.
Butka is right , the price is going up , IF the Bears get caught up in this kind of stupidity . Austin doesn't deserve this contract and the Rams just did something really stupid .
Butka is right , the price is going up , IF the Bears get caught up in this kind of stupidity . Austin doesn't deserve this contract and the Rams just did something really stupid .
We all say the same thing when the market for something moves upwards. But in the end, it moves and you either pat or go without.
What does staying healthy this year prove exactly? Does it somehow ensure he will stay healthy next year? I would think the two straight years of 16 games played would have done that...did that prove it fairy dust not work right?
You're right in that it "proves" nothing. Just like being relatively "healthy" prior proves nothing. It just gives another evidence point to refer to. I know this probably sounds crazy, but I would imagine some GMs are a little skittish about giving a long term big money deal to a guy who basically disappeared his entire contract year, at a time when you would think he would be preferentially motivated to perform maximally therein.
Why is that so hard to understand?
Jeffery was basically fully OUT at least half the year in 2015 and noticeably less than full strength in half of the other half due to repetitive soft tissue strains and pulls incurred in practice, not as a result of game contact.
Why do you not recognize that as something significant worthy of consideration?
What does staying healthy this year prove exactly? Does it somehow ensure he will stay healthy next year? I would think the two straight years of 16 games played would have done that...did that prove it fairy dust not work right?
It may have if those were 2014 and 2015 but it was 2013 and 2014 followed by and 8 or 9 game season in 2015 and seriously reduced production. I think chuckster's post provides a pretty good answer.
"I looked up the recent top tier contracts for WR's on OTC and come away with to observations: First the top 3 or 4 WR contracts have significant injury guarantees (approx 50% of the contract is guaranteed). Second, no NFL team has given a WR a significant contract following a season where the player lost significant time due to injury."
It's tough to argue that Pace didn't do the prudent thing by offering whatever guarantees he might have based on this while AJ's agent would liked to have had him see it as you proposed but I think we all knew that would never happen. I think they did too which is why I believe AJ never balked at signing his tag. The $14.6 mil was likely to be the very most he was ever gonna get this year anyway so they took it and they negotiate again next year when they hope to be in a stronger position.
From the Bears perspective I think if they have to pay him an average of a couple mil more per year and up their ante on the guaranteed money it's no big deal if they're satisfied the risk of him having chronic injury issues is low. They'll still have the cap room to do it just as easily in 2017 as they did this year.
Butka is right , the price is going up , IF the Bears get caught up in this kind of stupidity . Austin doesn't deserve this contract and the Rams just did something really stupid .
Austin got a Devin Hester type deal which was also based on his total production as a KR/PR and a rusher not just a WR. I wouldn't argue that it wasn't a lot of money for that but the Bears gave Hester a similar deal ten years ago and Austin has some of those same game breaking skills.
That aside I don't think Austin's deal will come into the picture in AJs negotiations at all. They're two very different players with very different skills sets.
What does staying healthy this year prove exactly? Does it somehow ensure he will stay healthy next year? I would think the two straight years of 16 games played would have done that...did that prove it fairy dust not work right?
You're right in that it "proves" nothing. Just like being relatively "healthy" prior proves nothing. It just gives another evidence point to refer to. I know this probably sounds crazy, but I would imagine some GMs are a little skittish about giving a long term big money deal to a guy who basically disappeared his entire contract year, at a time when you would think he would be preferentially motivated to perform maximally therein.
Why is that so hard to understand?
Jeffery was basically fully OUT at least half the year in 2015 and noticeably less than full strength in half of the other half due to repetitive soft tissue strains and pulls incurred in practice, not as a result of game contact.
Why do you not recognize that as something significant worthy of consideration?
Do guys that "disappear their entire contract years" lead their teams in receiving and record over 800 yards receiving?
I don't recognize that as something worthy of consideration because knowing the NFL and the nature of the game it's not worthy of consideration. If it were...virtually nobody would be getting paid.