Was it a mistake to fire Lovie?

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Was it a mistake to fire Lovie? Sept 21, 2023 8:02:00 GMT -6

Post by motm on Sept 21, 2023 8:02:00 GMT -6

Unless you have a top 5 QB. You're not going to be the 49ers or Patriots of past. Rams had a really good success run with Goff. Made it to two super bowls and won one with Matt Stafford.

Winning multiple super bowls isn't as easy as some think. Look at Green Bay. Made it to multiple NFC Championship games and always lost.

I even take being the Packers at this point. One - Two Super bowls with HoF QB's in a 30 year time period.

Just get us out of the NFL bottom 5 hell we've been at since the Lovie era ended.

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brasilbear Hall of Famer Posts: 5,823 Likes: 6,626	Was it a mistake to fire Lovie? Sept 21, 2023 8:45:15 GMT -6 via mobile AlexM likes this Post by brasilbear on Sept 21, 2023 8:45:15 GMT -6 We're generally making the same point here. It's hard to win SBs. I just think dreaming of the Lovie years as some pinnacle of football excellence is short sighted. Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top

shark86 All-Pro Suffering from Bears FHDD Posts: 3,950 Member is Online Likes: 5,237	Was it a mistake to fire Lovie? Sept 21, 2023 9:13:32 GMT -6 Whisky Beer Bob likes this Post by shark86 on Sept 21, 2023 9:13:32 GMT -6 Clueless deer-in-the-headlights Lovie Smith? No. It was past time to move on from him. The problem was we hired worse instead of better - and that's our Standard Operating Procedure. Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
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mpbears68 Hall of Famer Posts: 9,134 Likes: 11,430	Was it a mistake to fire Lovie? Sept 21, 2023 9:43:11 GMT -6 Post by mpbears68 on Sept 21, 2023 9:43:11 GMT -6 Couldn't hire an OC to save his life. We all hated it at the time. Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top

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Was it a mistake to fire Lovie? Sept 21, 2023 9:50:43 GMT -6

Post by riczaj01 on Sept 21, 2023 9:50:43 GMT -6

No! It was time. He was incapable of finding/replacing his aging all pro talent; hell the drafting/FA got definitively worse after he got more control of the roster.

I don't long for those days anymore then I long for Ditka and the SB Bears. Same issue as Lovie. Great DC, Hof Talent all over the field, much of which he had nothing to do with, then it all went to shit.

What the hell has Lovie done in the pro's or college that makes you think it wouldn't have ended the same way in Chicago? How many more years was Urlacher, Tillman, Briggs and Kruetz going to be able to hang on and keep this team sustainable; hint they'd already lost that ability.

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Was it a mistake to fire Lovie? Sept 21, 2023 9:53:36 GMT -6 papabear7 and britishbearfan like this

Post by riczaj01 on Sept 21, 2023 9:53:36 GMT -6

Sept 21, 2023 7:42:59 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

Are we saying we are seriously interested in being the Broncos or the Rams? One year of glory and then....

I'd rather be the 49ers or Bengels/Bills/Eagles at this point.

We are so desperate to win something,anything that we'd sell our daughters for one SB win.

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What I'm trying to say is that the failure of the team since Lovie is not proof that the Bears were wrong to move on. Lovie in Chicago had reached a stagnant position.

(1) No clear plan for beating GB and winning the division consistently. Planning on getting into the playoffs by wildcard is not a sustainable plan.
(2) QB not on same page as OC and no apparent plan to replace him.
(3) League as a whole had learned how to play against the Tampa-2. There was no apparent plan to address this.

It was time to move on. If Lovie's last season had been 6-10 we wouldn't even be having this conversation

Biggest issue w/Lovie and since Lovie has been a team that refuses to look at the NFL as it is, instead of as it was. They never fully commit to the OL, DL and QB. It's LB, RB, DB, QB; in that order.

We can only hope that the new President is competent enough to hire a competent GM, who is capable enough to hire a competent HC, who is capable to hire competent coordinators.

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Was it a mistake to fire Lovie? Sept 21, 2023 11:12:58 GMT -6 riczaj01 and shark86 like this

Post by papabear7 on Sept 21, 2023 11:12:58 GMT -6

Sept 21, 2023 9:53:36 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Sept 21, 2023 7:42:59 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

Are we saying we are seriously interested in being the Broncos or the Rams? One year of glory and then....

I'd rather be the 49ers or Bengels/Bills/Eagles at this point.

We are so desperate to win something,anything that we'd sell our daughters for one SB win.

Later addition:

What I'm trying to say is that the failure of the team since Lovie is not proof that the Bears were wrong to move on. Lovie in Chicago had reached a stagnant position.

(1) No clear plan for beating GB and winning the division consistently. Planning on getting into the playoffs by wildcard is not a sustainable plan.
(2) QB not on same page as OC and no apparent plan to replace him.
(3) League as a whole had learned how to play against the Tampa-2. There was no apparent plan to address this.

It was time to move on. If Lovie's last season had been 6-10 we wouldn't even be having this conversation

Biggest issue w/Lovie and since Lovie has been a team that refuses to look at the NFL as it is, instead of as it was. They never fully commit to the OL, DL and QB. It's LB, RB, DB, QB; in that order.

We can only hope that the new President is competent enough to hire a competent GM, who is capable enough to hire a competent HC, who is capable to hire competent coordinators.

I think that's one of the more frustrating things about the current regime for me. Our GM is a former OL so you'd think he would understand the importance of solidifying at least that trench, if not the DL too. And, while he's made moves to do that, it's not quite the commitment I expected and, obviously, it hasn't panned out.

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Was it a mistake to fire Lovie? Sept 21, 2023 11:21:41 GMT -6 shark86 likes this

Post by mpbears68 on Sept 21, 2023 11:21:41 GMT -6

Sept 21, 2023 11:12:58 GMT -6 papabear7 said:

Sept 21, 2023 9:53:36 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Biggest issue w/Lovie and since Lovie has been a team that refuses to look at the NFL as it is, instead of as it was. They never fully commit to the OL, DL and QB. It's LB, RB, DB, QB; in that order.

We can only hope that the new President is competent enough to hire a competent GM, who is capable enough to hire a competent HC, who is capable to hire competent coordinators.

I think that's one of the more frustrating things about the current regime for me. Our GM is a former OL so you'd think he would understand the importance of solidifying at least that trench, if not the DL too. And, while he's made moves to do that, it's not quite the commitment I expected and, obviously, it hasn't panned out.

The OL would have been a very good unit IMO if it ever got to play together for an extended period of time.

Easy to condemn, however the OL this season is NOT what was planned. Only 2 of the intended 5 starters have played so far where they were supposed to play and now 1 of those is on IR.

Nate Davis is was gone for over a month due to a family crisis
Jenkins got IR'd
Patrick got hurt (was intended to be a backup)
Whitehair got moved last minute
Kramer got IR'd
Now Brax is IR'd

The unit has been in flux practically since TC started.

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Was it a mistake to fire Lovie? Sept 21, 2023 11:41:23 GMT -6 papabear7 likes this

Post by riczaj01 on Sept 21, 2023 11:41:23 GMT -6

Sept 21, 2023 11:12:58 GMT -6 papabear7 said:

Sept 21, 2023 9:53:36 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Biggest issue w/Lovie and since Lovie has been a team that refuses to look at the NFL as it is, instead of as it was. They never fully commit to the OL, DL and QB. It's LB, RB, DB, QB; in that order.

We can only hope that the new President is competent enough to hire a competent GM, who is capable enough to hire a competent HC, who is capable to hire competent coordinators.

I think that's one of the more frustrating things about the current regime for me. Our GM is a former OL so you'd think he would understand the importance of solidifying at least that trench, if not the DL too. And, while he's made moves to do that, it's not quite the commitment I expected and, obviously, it hasn't panned out.

I agree, and its not like the guys he's brought in are lighting it up for those spots

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Was it a mistake to fire Lovie? Sept 21, 2023 12:02:50 GMT -6

Post by paytonisgod on Sept 21, 2023 12:02:50 GMT -6

Lovie, no. Although he was never as bad as fans made him out to be he had his time and he wasn't getting it done. The real lesson is getting rid of the old guy doesn't guarantee the new guy will be any better. Be careful what you wish for and all that.

I actually think the mistake might have been getting rid of JA. He got a lot of shit too, often deserved, but the team really seemed to fall off a cliff after he left.

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