Special skills get you special bills. Don't compare these guys to the average person...because they aren't. Beyond that, like I said when this first started...Rodgers won't talk to his own family out of spite...he's a spiteful person who holds on to a grudge, so if the Packers think this will all go away with some more money I think they are very, very mistaken.
He's not a Bears player so I shouldn't even care about this one way or the other. It's just a general comment on the situation.
I definitely get what you are saying and don't disagree at all. I understand he can choose to not honor his contract with GB and demand this kind of stuff due to his talent. And he very well may get it. And I understand a lot of people are okay with lying. Their word means nothing, even a signed legal contract is meaningless to them. I also understand that many people are not satisfied or happy no matter how much they have in life. They always crave "more" - and are never truly happy or at peace. They chase the wind all their life.
Two sides agree to contracts...I just find it funny most fans never fault the team when they break "their word", but get mad at players when they do.
Rodgers Injury History (not entirely accurate): 2006 — Broken foot during mop-up duty against New England; spent the final six weeks of the regular season on injured reserve. 2007 — Hamstring injury in practice; inactive final four weeks of the regular season. 2008 — Sprained right shoulder in Week 4 against Tampa Bay. Played the entire season. 2010 — Concussion against Detroit in Week 14 and was knocked out of the game. Missed the following week. 2013 — Broke left collarbone and missed nearly eight full games. Packers went 2-5-1 in that stretch. 2014 — Limited by a late calf injury. Lack of mobility was one of several reasons Packers fell to Seattle, 28-22, in the NFC Championship. 2017 — Broke right collarbone; missed nine games. Hundley went 3-6. 2018 — Tibial plateau fracture and a sprained MCL in his left knee in Chicago, but didn't miss any time. Concussion and was knocked out against Detroit.
2019 — No significant injuries.
2020 — No significant injuries.
2021 — Freak Training Camp injury breaks 3rd (and previously undiscovered) collarbone. Love begins regular season and goes 1 - 9, washing out after psychological breakdown. Rodgers cannot afford to break any more collarbones, so he retires at the end of the regular season.
2022 — Green Bay signs Nick Foles to a one-year contract.
2021 and 2022 are looking to be GRRRRREAT years! I can finally r-e-l-a-x while watching the games!
Uhhhh....yeah...for the most part they do. It happened ALL THE TIME in the NFL. Cousins is the RARE exception that somehow got the Vikings to guarantee his whole contract. This isn't the MLB or NBA where players contracts are fully guaranteed.
No, they do not. The teams pay the QB the money that they are obliged to pay under the contract. By definition, "not guaranteed" means that the team is not legally obliged to pay this money under all circumstances. The player and his lawyer know that when he signs the contract. If the QB doesn't like the terms of the deal, he can negotiate for a fully guaranteed contract or go free agent. But, if he signs the contract that includes non-guaranteed money, I don't want him coming back later to whine about his contract.
So then you also don't like when teams come back and whine about the contract 2 years later...right? And you've never asked for a raise ever in your life either...right? Save the holier than thou, "old school" BS.
If you have leverage and you don't utilize it, you're a fool. Thats the bottom line.
He's not a Bears player so I shouldn't even care about this one way or the other. It's just a general comment on the situation.
I definitely get what you are saying and don't disagree at all. I understand he can choose to not honor his contract with GB and demand this kind of stuff due to his talent. And he very well may get it. And I understand a lot of people are okay with lying. Their word means nothing, even a signed legal contract is meaningless to them. I also understand that many people are not satisfied or happy no matter how much they have in life. They always crave "more" - and are never truly happy or at peace. They chase the wind all their life.
Two sides agree to contracts...I just find it funny most fans never fault the team when they break "their word", but get mad at players when they do.
Teams have to go by the contract guaranteed money. Anything not guaranteed is not guaranteed. They have to abide by that contract. I'm not getting snarky, just asking Butkus, what am I missing here?
No, they do not. The teams pay the QB the money that they are obliged to pay under the contract. By definition, "not guaranteed" means that the team is not legally obliged to pay this money under all circumstances. The player and his lawyer know that when he signs the contract. If the QB doesn't like the terms of the deal, he can negotiate for a fully guaranteed contract or go free agent. But, if he signs the contract that includes non-guaranteed money, I don't want him coming back later to whine about his contract.
So then you also don't like when teams come back and whine about the contract 2 years later...right? And you've never asked for a raise ever in your life either...right? Save the holier than thou, "old school" BS.
If you have leverage and you don't utilize it, you're a fool. Thats the bottom line.
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That’s right. No whining by either side. Good or bad — deal is a deal. You honor the terms of your contract. Sure, I used my leverage with my employer the last time I changed jobs. The new employer was offering more than double what I was making at the time, but I gave them a chance to counter the offer. A free agent football player can do the same thing, and I have no problem with that.
So then you also don't like when teams come back and whine about the contract 2 years later...right? And you've never asked for a raise ever in your life either...right? Save the holier than thou, "old school" BS.
If you have leverage and you don't utilize it, you're a fool. Thats the bottom line.
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That’s right. No whining by either side. Good or bad — deal is a deal. You honor the terms of your contract. Sure, I used my leverage with my employer the last time I changed jobs. The new employer was offering more than double what I was making at the time, but I gave them a chance to counter the offer. A free agent football player can do the same thing, and I have no problem with that.
The way I see it, and please understand I'm not attacking you or trying to change your mind, the sports world is simply different than the "regular" world. It's entirely possible my world view is too narrow to see thinks as you do, as I am much younger, but their talent is different therefore they're treated different. If I get upset with my job, I can threaten to quit/change jobs. The league has created a different environment, for parity reasons, where players can't simply change jobs. Yes, it's built into their contracts, but it's built into every contract. So to change jobs, they can't simply walk up to their manager and put in their two weeks. They have to work through the media if internal discussions are going nowhere. Not saying I exactly like it, but I recognize it as part of the game/league — it's normal, so I'm unbothered.
The way I see it, and please understand I'm not attacking you or trying to change your mind, the sports world is simply different than the "regular" world. It's entirely possible my world view is too narrow to see thinks as you do, as I am much younger, but their talent is different therefore they're treated different. If I get upset with my job, I can threaten to quit/change jobs. The league has created a different environment, for parity reasons, where players can't simply change jobs. Yes, it's built into their contracts, but it's built into every contract. So to change jobs, they can't simply walk up to their manager and put in their two weeks. They have to work through the media if internal discussions are going nowhere. Not saying I exactly like it, but I recognize it as part of the game/league — it's normal, so I'm unbothered.
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When I was a kid growing up in Urbana, I was a huge Cardinals baseball fan. Curt Flood was one of my favorite players, and I was 100% behind him — aided by the fact that I am also politically “left” and did a lot of protesting against Vietnam War at the time and support labor unions. So I hope you see where I am coming from on the issue. Here is an article that will give you younger guys the history…
Since then, I have a better understanding of why the NFL needs rules to promote parity. Of course, it is about money, but below that, it is about keeping fans interested in watching competitive games and teams (yeah, I know, we Bears loyalists are special). I think they have a pretty good balance between slavery on one hand and free market on the other. Yes, a guy has to play for the team that drafted him for the first 4 years. Then, he can go free agent and play elsewhere. Rodgers was in that situation. With his talent, he could have moved to nearly any team in the NFL, but chose to stay in GB and collect $200 million. So, now that he is nearing the end of his career, they drafted a QB. Tough. Every team does it. And so their GM made some dumb moves. So do all of them (we Bears fans know well!).
Two sides agree to contracts...I just find it funny most fans never fault the team when they break "their word", but get mad at players when they do.
Teams have to go by the contract guaranteed money. Anything not guaranteed is not guaranteed. They have to abide by that contract. I'm not getting snarky, just asking Butkus, what am I missing here?
Teams sign contracts for a certain time period. If we're going by the "everyone should live up to their word" way of thinking, then guaranteed money or not...teams should employ said players for the amount of years stated in the contract. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. If we don't have a problem with teams not living up to employing the players for the amount of years they sign them for, we shouldn't have a problem with players acting similarly.
The way I see it, and please understand I'm not attacking you or trying to change your mind, the sports world is simply different than the "regular" world. It's entirely possible my world view is too narrow to see thinks as you do, as I am much younger, but their talent is different therefore they're treated different. If I get upset with my job, I can threaten to quit/change jobs. The league has created a different environment, for parity reasons, where players can't simply change jobs. Yes, it's built into their contracts, but it's built into every contract. So to change jobs, they can't simply walk up to their manager and put in their two weeks. They have to work through the media if internal discussions are going nowhere. Not saying I exactly like it, but I recognize it as part of the game/league — it's normal, so I'm unbothered.
Next time I'll come to you...you worded my point much better than I could. These guys are not you and me. They possess skills and abilities that 99.8% of the people walking this planet don't. So yeah...they can utilize that leverage in ways we can't. They're also limited in ways we are not, so they have to go about things in a different manner. It is what it is. But I'll never complain about a football player trying to maximize every dollar they're worth, especially given the toll they take.
The way I see it, and please understand I'm not attacking you or trying to change your mind, the sports world is simply different than the "regular" world. It's entirely possible my world view is too narrow to see thinks as you do, as I am much younger, but their talent is different therefore they're treated different. If I get upset with my job, I can threaten to quit/change jobs. The league has created a different environment, for parity reasons, where players can't simply change jobs. Yes, it's built into their contracts, but it's built into every contract. So to change jobs, they can't simply walk up to their manager and put in their two weeks. They have to work through the media if internal discussions are going nowhere. Not saying I exactly like it, but I recognize it as part of the game/league — it's normal, so I'm unbothered.
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When I was a kid growing up in Urbana, I was a huge Cardinals baseball fan. Curt Flood was one of my favorite players, and I was 100% behind him — aided by the fact that I am also politically “left” and did a lot of protesting against Vietnam War at the time and support labor unions. So I hope you see where I am coming from on the issue. Here is an article that will give you younger guys the history…
Since then, I have a better understanding of why the NFL needs rules to promote parity. Of course, it is about money, but below that, it is about keeping fans interested in watching competitive games and teams (yeah, I know, we Bears loyalists are special). I think they have a pretty good balance between slavery on one hand and free market on the other. Yes, a guy has to play for the team that drafted him for the first 4 years. Then, he can go free agent and play elsewhere. Rodgers was in that situation. With his talent, he could have moved to nearly any team in the NFL, but chose to stay in GB and collect $200 million. So, now that he is nearing the end of his career, they drafted a QB. Tough. Every team does it. And so their GM made some dumb moves. So do all of them (we Bears fans know well!).
Technically if you are drafted in the first round a team/city can restrict your movement for up to 7 years. Your career and ability to secure a big, long term deal could be over by then. For Rodgers some of things also changed after that contract was signed. The HC was fired, and so the reality of the situation he signed an extension to changed.