Post by germansbombedph on Oct 25, 2016 0:42:05 GMT -6
You can, but you can also find every other Position later. Examples are given for every Position. I want good Players, I don't care why we get them, just that.
You can, but you can also find every other Position later. Examples are given for every Position. I want good Players, I don't care why we get them, just that.
I agree with you and am not complaining about either Long or Whitehair. I was using them to exemplify how terrible the Bears drafting has been for many years. When your two biggest and best "hits" from the draft are a Center and a Guard, that says a lot about how piss poor your drafting as been at other, generally more prominent positions, doesn't it?
I mean C and G are positions that most teams don't use 1st and 2nd round picks to fill. They're usually manned by mid-to-late rounders and not infrequently even UDFAs.
When you think of positions that really highly coveted in the early draft, you think of tackles, WRs, QBs, passrushers, and maybe ballhawking DBs. The Bears haven't successfully drafted a true star at any of those positions (Jeffery possibly being a minor exception as he's no Julio Jones) in at least a decade.
In the long term, where you get your players from doesn't matter. And by long term I mean when Long is retiring, he retires as a Pro-Bowl/AP G. That means he was a good draft pick by the Bears. In this sense, it doesn't 'matter' where you get your starters from.
In the short term, by which I mean team building for the now, certain positions are more 'valuable' in the draft--pass rushers, ball-hawking DBs, QBs, game changing skill positions (within limits of course.)
Trying to balance short-term v long-term is where the GMs make their big money. For example--having Long at RG means the Bears have a really good player who can magnify the skill sets of other OFF players and it means they don't need to waste time, money, draftpicks, etc on that specific position. If the OL turns into a good one as a unit, then everything the OFF does is affected and the DEF as well.
BUT...
Short term, does spending a round one pick on a G, no matter how good, add value to the team versus say...long term starter at DB who while not being All-Pro/PB level is a solid starter for 8 years, or an OLB who averages 10 sacks a year, or a WR who generates 1200-10TDs a season for 8 years.
Some of us are going lean one way and some of us the other. Which way does Pace lean?
In the long term, where you get your players from doesn't matter. And by long term I mean when Long is retiring, he retires as a Pro-Bowl/AP G. That means he was a good draft pick by the Bears. In this sense, it doesn't 'matter' where you get your starters from.
In the short term, by which I mean team building for the now, certain positions are more 'valuable' in the draft--pass rushers, ball-hawking DBs, QBs, game changing skill positions (within limits of course.)
Trying to balance short-term v long-term is where the GMs make their big money. For example--having Long at RG means the Bears have a really good player who can magnify the skill sets of other OFF players and it means they don't need to waste time, money, draftpicks, etc on that specific position. If the OL turns into a good one as a unit, then everything the OFF does is affected and the DEF as well.
BUT...
Short term, does spending a round one pick on a G, no matter how good, add value to the team versus say...long term starter at DB who while not being All-Pro/PB level is a solid starter for 8 years, or an OLB who averages 10 sacks a year, or a WR who generates 1200-10TDs a season for 8 years.
Some of us are going lean one way and some of us the other. Which way does Pace lean?
Those are all good points. It just feels like the overall team is so far behind in talent level that it makes you wonder if they can seriously close the gap in one more off-season. That was always my personal hope. But we still need a lot of upgrades.
In the long term, where you get your players from doesn't matter. And by long term I mean when Long is retiring, he retires as a Pro-Bowl/AP G. That means he was a good draft pick by the Bears. In this sense, it doesn't 'matter' where you get your starters from.
In the short term, by which I mean team building for the now, certain positions are more 'valuable' in the draft--pass rushers, ball-hawking DBs, QBs, game changing skill positions (within limits of course.)
Trying to balance short-term v long-term is where the GMs make their big money. For example--having Long at RG means the Bears have a really good player who can magnify the skill sets of other OFF players and it means they don't need to waste time, money, draftpicks, etc on that specific position. If the OL turns into a good one as a unit, then everything the OFF does is affected and the DEF as well.
BUT...
Short term, does spending a round one pick on a G, no matter how good, add value to the team versus say...long term starter at DB who while not being All-Pro/PB level is a solid starter for 8 years, or an OLB who averages 10 sacks a year, or a WR who generates 1200-10TDs a season for 8 years.
Some of us are going lean one way and some of us the other. Which way does Pace lean?
Those are all good points. It just feels like the overall team is so far behind in talent level that it makes you wonder if they can seriously close the gap in one more off-season. That was always my personal hope. But we still need a lot of upgrades.
To be honest we really don't.
What we need:
QB RT LT ( Competition ) Ball hawking safety A real #1 CB who can play here for 4-5 years Kicker ( Just don't draft one in the 2nd round ) Pass Rusher ( If Mcphee and Houston are gone )
When Fox and Pace took over this team was a mess. This team has talent but do to injury has cost us a few games. A good draft and some big spending in FA we can pretty much fill out all these position of need.
I know Pace's plan is to build through the draft but doing that will take us years to be a contender. I don't know if he'll have years to do it.
Those are all good points. It just feels like the overall team is so far behind in talent level that it makes you wonder if they can seriously close the gap in one more off-season. That was always my personal hope. But we still need a lot of upgrades.
To be honest we really don't.
What we need:
QB RT LT ( Competition ) Ball hawking safety A real #1 CB who can play here for 4-5 years Kicker ( Just don't draft one in the 2nd round ) Pass Rusher ( If Mcphee and Houston are gone )
When Fox and Pace took over this team was a mess. This team has talent but do to injury has cost us a few games. A good draft and some big spending in FA we can pretty much fill out all these position of need.
I know Pace's plan is to build through the draft but doing that will take us years to be a contender. I don't know if he'll have years to do it.
In other words:
every Position Needs better Players other than Guard
the most important positions are a Need for us. Horray
I never understood why so many thought he was a terrible draft pick.
+1 They said his arms were too short. Others probably didn't value us taking an offensive lineman. I have read that some feel like Whitehair may end up the best OL taken in the 2016 NFL draft class. #1 best of all OL. And we got him in the 2nd round.
Probably would give that title to Jack Conklin.
He is our Kyle Long light! People love to talk about short arms but Joe Thomas has just as short arms iirc
QB RT LT ( Competition ) Ball hawking safety A real #1 CB who can play here for 4-5 years Kicker ( Just don't draft one in the 2nd round ) Pass Rusher ( If Mcphee and Houston are gone )
When Fox and Pace took over this team was a mess. This team has talent but do to injury has cost us a few games. A good draft and some big spending in FA we can pretty much fill out all these position of need.
I know Pace's plan is to build through the draft but doing that will take us years to be a contender. I don't know if he'll have years to do it.
In other words:
every Position Needs better Players other than Guard
the most important positions are a Need for us. Horray
I think I'm just simple thinking we at least got a solid player in Whitehair. We've had so many disappointments in the upper rounds of the draft that when we do get a hit, my reaction is to be really happy with it. The people wanting us to get a hit with the more difficult positions to acquire in the draft (like a true franchise QB) are right. But I'm just celebrating that we didn't screw up this one pick. LOL, I've lowered my expectations I guess.
I never understood why so many thought he was a terrible draft pick.
+1 They said his arms were too short. Others probably didn't value us taking an offensive lineman. I have read that some feel like Whitehair may end up the best OL taken in the 2016 NFL draft class. #1 best of all OL. And we got him in the 2nd round.
I've always been a fan of the pick and love the arm length running joke he has created. I wonder what they try with Grasu now.
