discussion on where to draft specific positions

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discussion on where to draft specific positions Jan 2, 2020 18:23:28 GMT -6

Post by riczaj01 on Jan 2, 2020 18:23:28 GMT -6

Okay, so I know some of us like to do mocks, and I know there is always a lot of discussion, as pointless as it is, of where players/positions should be drafted. So I'm going to go back 4 years for each position. I'll do 1 page of players normally 50 per page, and reduce them down by position if needed(ie ilb/olb/mlb/slb/wlb(those last 2 are normally just lb). I'll look which players were ranked the highest and how many times they were ranked, it won't be a full 50 players, see ex.

ex I just did ILB's, of the top 50, normally there were 20-30 ILB's for each year so I only did however many were in that year, 20-30. WR's TE's and RB's will probably be the full 50, and chopped down based on how the #'s look. QB I'll probably only do top 15. Not sure how I'll do OT, OG, C, as they don't have stats.

*I'm doing this mostly for me to format how I would do the drafts, as I never try and actually mock what a team, specifically Pace is going to do. It's impossible, I don't have pro scouts looking for what I want nor do I have the teams ranking of current players and team needs. feel free to ignore it, or talk about it.

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discussion on where to draft specific positions Jan 2, 2020 18:32:39 GMT -6 Whisky Beer Bob likes this

Post by riczaj01 on Jan 2, 2020 18:32:39 GMT -6

ILB:
2016-2019 rd Tackles INTS FMBL
Rk Player pick tckl Sck PDef Int FF Rec
1 Blake Martinez 4/131 144 1 9 1 1 2
2 Blake Martinez 4/131 155 3 3 1 1 --
2 Blake Martinez 4/131 144 5 -- -- 0 --
2 Zach Brown 2/052 149 4 5 1 2 --
9 Zach Brown 2/052 127 2.5 -- -- 0 --
35 Zach Brown 2/052 96 1 -- -- 2 --
3 Christian Kirksey 3/071 148 2.5 -- -- 0 --
5 Anthony Hitchens 4/119 135 0 -- -- 1 --
36 Anthony Hitchens 4/119 88 2 -- -- 1 --
5 Zach Cunningham 2/057 142 2 -- -- 0 2
22 Zach Cunningham 2/057 107 0 6 1 2 1
30 Zach Cunningham 2/057 90 1.5 -- -- 1 --
6 Demario Davis 3/077 135 5 -- -- 0 1
30 Demario Davis 3/077 99 2 -- -- 1 --
6 Preston Brown 3/073 139 1 -- -- 1 2
7 Cory Littleton udfa 134 3.5 11 2 2 4
10 Cory Littleton udfa 125 4 16 3 0 --
7 Mason Foster 3/084 131 1 6 2 0 2
13 Mason Foster 3/084 124 1 -- -- 1 --
7 Todd Davis udfa 134 0 -- -- 0 --
18 Todd Davis udfa 114 0.5 8 1 0 --
31 Todd Davis udfa 97 0.5 -- -- 1 1
44 Todd Davis udfa 82 1 -- -- 0 --
8 C.J. Mosley 1/017 132 1 9 2 3 3
24 C.J. Mosley 1/017 105 0.5 6 1 0 --
34 C.J. Mosley 1/017 92 0 12 4 1 --
9 Zach Orr udfa 132 0 8 3 1 2
11 Benardrick McKinney 2/043 129 5 -- -- 1 --
24 Benardrick McKinney 2/043 105 1.5 8 1 1 --
24 Benardrick McKinney 2/043 95 3 -- -- 1 --
30 Benardrick McKinney 2/043 101 1 -- -- 1 2
11 Wesley Woodyard udfa 124 5 -- -- 0 2
19 Wesley Woodyard udfa 113 4.5 -- -- 0 1
13 Roquan Smith 1/008 121 5 6 1 0 --
30 Roquan Smith 1/008 101 2 3 1 0 --
15 Antonio Morrison 4/125 109 0 -- -- 0 --
16 Avery Williamson 5/151 120 3 7 1 2 1
25 Avery Williamson 5/151 104 2 2 1 1 --
28 Avery Williamson 5/151 92 3 -- -- 2 --
17 Brandon Marshall 5/142 106 3 -- -- 1 1
18 Lawrence Timmons 1/015 114 2.5 7 2 1 --
19 Rashaan Evans 1/022 111 2.5 -- -- 0 1
20 Jerrell Freeman udfa 110 0 -- -- 0 --
21 Jon Bostic 2/050 97 1 -- -- 0 1
27 Jon Bostic 2/050 105 1 3 1 0 --
23 Will Compton udfa 106 0 6 1 1 2
24 Alec Ogletree 1/030 95 2 11 1 1 1
24 Devin Bush 1/010 109 1 6 2 1 4
24 Karlos Dansby 2/033 95 1 5 1 0 1
27 Cole Holcomb 5/173 105 1 -- -- 3 --
27 Darron Lee 1/020 94 3 -- -- 2 --
27 Jayon Brown 5/155 105 1 9 1 0 1
32 Jayon Brown 5/155 97 6 7 1 2 1
30 Christian Jones udfa 90 2 -- -- 1 1
30 Danny Trevathan 6/188 102 2 8 2 1 1
34 Danny Trevathan 6/188 89 2 6 1 1 1
30 Patrick Onwuasor udfa 90 1 -- -- 1 1
33 A.J. Johnson udfa 93 1.5 4 1 2 1
34 Ryan Shazier 1/015 89 0 14 3 2 1
37 Ryan Shazier 1/015 87 3.5 12 3 3 1
34 Vince Williams 6/206 89 8 2 1 0 --
48 Vince Williams 6/206 76 4.5 3 1 0 --
35 Devin White 1/005 91 2.5 4 1 3 4
36 Derrick Johnson 1/015 90 1 4 1 0 --
38 Mark Barron 1/007 82 3 4 1 0 1
40 Mark Barron 1/007 86 1 7 3 0 --
41 Gerald Hodges 4/120 83 3 4 2 1 1
41 Nick Bellore udfa 83 1 6 1 1 1
41 Reggie Ragland 2/041 86 0.5 2 1 0 --
44 Jake Ryan 4/129 82 0 -- -- 0 --
46 Jake Ryan 4/129 81 1 -- -- 1 1
46 Jatavis Brown 5/175 79 3.5 -- -- 2 1
49 Jatavis Brown 5/175 79 0 -- -- 0 1
47 D'Qwell Jackson 2/034 78 1 -- -- 0 2
47 Nick Kwiatkoski 4/113 76 3 5 1 1 --
50 Neville Hewitt udfa 75 3 7 2 0 --

Hgh rd Times
Rk Player pick on list
1 Blake Martinez 4/131 3
2 Zach Brown 2/052 3
5 Zach Cunningham 2/057 3
5 Antho Hitchens 4/119 2
6 Demario Davis 3/077 2
7 Todd Davis udfa 4
7 Cory Littleton udfa 2
7 Mason Foster 3/084 2
8 C.J. Mosley 1/017 3
11 Benard McKinney 2/043 4
11 Wesley Woodyard udfa 2
13 Roquan Smith 1/008 2
16 A Williamson 5/151 3
21 Jon Bostic 2/050 2
27 Jayon Brown 5/155 2
30 Danny Trevathan 6/188 2
34 Ryan Shazier 1/015 2
34 Vince Williams 6/206 2
38 Mark Barron 1/007 2
44 Jake Ryan 4/129 2
46 Jatavis Brown 5/175 2

1st thing I noticed, but it doesn't show here, is that there is a trend to draft 3-4 ILB's higher in the draft in the last 2 years. Not sure why, if it's b/c there is a trend to moving to a 3-4 or if it has to do w/needing to secure the top athlete b/c of the amount of passing that is going on in the league now. But b/c all the top 10 picks were in the last 2 years the #'s do get skewed some.
But you can see that the majority on the list, in terms of high ranking and # of times on the list are outside of the 1st round, especially outside of the top 10. 2nd, 3rd, 4th and udfa all show up multiple times at the top of the list.

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discussion on where to draft specific positions Jan 8, 2020 12:09:52 GMT -6 via mobile Whisky Beer Bob likes this

Post by brasilbear on Jan 8, 2020 12:09:52 GMT -6

I think you are correct about teams wanting more athletic ILBs. And I believe this goes back to colleges moving to more spread concepts. It all bleeds over into the NFL. College OFF go more spread, college DEF move guys who were OLB or big safties to ILB. NFL OFF copy spread concepts and NFL DEF adjust to get more athletic.

The ringer did an article on the Ravens which was mostly drivel, but they did mention that the Ravens are dsigned on OFF to not only take advantage of Jackson's skills, but also feature big OL-men and a big RB (Mark Ingram) to take advantage of lighter defenses. Their thinking is that speed kills but power over-rules.

Also that Jackson led the league in TDs thrown from the pocket, so I guess he's a pocket passer who is the greatest running qb ever?

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discussion on where to draft specific positions Jan 20, 2020 13:05:12 GMT -6

Post by riczaj01 on Jan 20, 2020 13:05:12 GMT -6

Jan 8, 2020 12:09:52 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

I think you are correct about teams wanting more athletic ILBs. And I believe this goes back to colleges moving to more spread concepts. It all bleeds over into the NFL. College OFF go more spread, college DEF move guys who were OLB or big safties to ILB. NFL OFF copy spread concepts and NFL DEF adjust to get more athletic.

The ringer did an article on the Ravens which was mostly drivel, but they did mention that the Ravens are dsigned on OFF to not only take advantage of Jackson's skills, but also feature big OL-men and a big RB (Mark Ingram) to take advantage of lighter defenses. Their thinking is that speed kills but power over-rules.

Also that Jackson led the league in TDs thrown from the pocket, so I guess he's a pocket passer who is the greatest running qb ever?

Is there a stat for that? doing some basic leg work one thing I saw said he was at his best in the league in 3step drops; which is likely 1 or 2 reads, which makes sense w/how that offense works. 3 step drop, if nothing is there don't wait run. Its something I think the Bears should be doing w/Mitch. I also saw of his 36 TD's(which lead the league) he threw 27 w/no motion, so 9 of his TD's were thrown while in motion, also makes sense when it's a 3 step drop if it's not there run but not sure how that ranks in the league. Winston and Wilson were the next qb's in the league in TD's, if either threw td's mostly through the pocket it would be really close. It also said he was best at throwing to recievers w/at least 1step of seperation, and to the TE's; again makes sense as they are asking him to not make risky throws, if its not there run.

*full disclosure, this was a PFF article, but I think in this instance they aren't making up their own stats like qb hurry, or if a def got w/in 3 steps of a rusher the OL failed, even though some are simply asked to push the defender behind which allows the qb to step up. It breaks down how each qb did on which reciever they threw to and on what kind of route; and how long they took throw it(3-5-7 step drops). Still not sure I can take this to serious, how do they know which wr or te was the first option and which ones weren't really options at all, but merely decoy's? Sadly I didn't see anything else other then the espn splits section that had motion vs non motion.

as for ILB's, I think that's a valid point Brasil, it's very possible that b/c of changes in the NFL in how O's work it's creating changes in the draft on the Def side. Will be interesting to see how it all works. I need to get back on this; but it's a chore to do, tons of work involved and some positions make my head hurt...

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