Post by tragicslip on Mar 28, 2019 21:54:22 GMT -6
Howard can still produce. He has a lot of carries but if the Bears weren't so obvious, or willing to hold through the draft, they could have gotten a 5/4 deal imo.
Like I said in the chat...I'm not anti-Howard. He's a nice back, and thats where it ends. Let's not make him out to be something more than he is. He's not fast, he's not a game breaker, he's not dynamic, he's not a threat in the pass game. In the right scheme he can do some things. Thats not that valuable in todays NFL. He's not Saquan Barkley. So sorry if I'm not all broken up about this one. And no...we were not likely to get a compensatory pick for Howard after next season.
He's 3rd in the NFL in yards after contact and rushing since 2016. In 3 seasons he has produce 3,300 yards.
Let's not understate how much he has produce.
Hard to not see you as anti Howard when in another post you say he can't catch. 2018 Howard could catch...
Again if Pace's plan was to trade Howard should of done it last year when his value was at his peak. Now we got worse as a team and help the very team that beat us in the playoffs.
I'm not upset with the fact we traded Howard. I'm upset with how little we got back for him.
I'm not gonna comment on should-have-traded a year or two ago scenarios. Think we know the reasons for that.
You're right that Howard seems to have improved his hands but...he's clearly not much of a receiving back and we all could see that. He doesn't get open easily, isn't a good route runner, doesn't produce much YAC, and he lacks open field breakaway speed (as either a runner or a receiver).
As for the value received, I sympathize and wish we could have squeezed out a little better return. But again, it's not like Pace didn't let the league know Howard was available and field offers for 2 months. This was the best he could get.
I want to note, I’m not sharing these “anti” Howard posts to bag on the guy. I like him as a person and as a player, but there are clearly good reasons/justifications to move on from him. It’s very possible we already upgraded Howard with Davis just by scheme fit alone so why hang on to him?
that is a very telling stat. and it speaks to how bad a fit Howard was. I think i another i was when Howard was in they ran a significant higher % then with any other rb. Howard walking onto the field was a huge tell to the other team and you could see it in the game.
I kept pointing this out last year when people talked about getting jho more touches. without Howard the teams offense was the best it had been in years and the team won more. wishing jho was still on the team and with a large role is wishing the o was less effective
I am not entirely sure this makes us a better team. If we lost Howard through Free Agency, next year, would we have gotten similar or better compensation from a comp. pick?
I am not entirely sure this makes us a better team. If we lost Howard through Free Agency, next year, would we have gotten similar or better compensation from a comp. pick?
maybe, maybe not, depends of who we sign. we could also get - absolutely nothing like we always do. and if we got comp it would be for the draft 2y from now.
Key things to think about, and Butkus has said it, but I don't think people realize it.
1st yr 252 car 1313 yds 6 tds 29 of 50 rec's 298 yds 1 td 302 atts/trgts 273 atts/rec's 1611 tot yds 7 tds 2nd yr 276 car 1122 yds 9 tds 23 of 32 rec's 125 yds 0 td 308 atts/trgts 298 atts/rec's 1247 tot yds 9 tds 3rd yr 250 car 935 yds 9 tds 20 of 26 rec's 145 yds 0 tds 276 atts/trgts 270 atts/rec's 1080 tot yds 9 tds
Basically he got the same carries every year, talking about 1.5 carries and touches per game. He also dropped each year in longest runs and yards per game and average. And again, last year he was used the least(not by much though) and he has his worse year all while the Offense played better, scored more and the team won more.
want to know why he didn't garner a lot of attention via trade ^ that. Team had its most success when he had his worst year.
Like I said in the chat...I'm not anti-Howard. He's a nice back, and thats where it ends. Let's not make him out to be something more than he is. He's not fast, he's not a game breaker, he's not dynamic, he's not a threat in the pass game. In the right scheme he can do some things. Thats not that valuable in todays NFL. He's not Saquan Barkley. So sorry if I'm not all broken up about this one. And no...we were not likely to get a compensatory pick for Howard after next season.
He's 3rd in the NFL in yards after contact and rushing since 2016. In 3 seasons he has produce 3,300 yards.
Let's not understate how much he has produce.
Hard to not see you as anti Howard when in another post you say he can't catch. 2018 Howard could catch...
Again if Pace's plan was to trade Howard should of done it last year when his value was at his peak. Now we got worse as a team and help the very team that beat us in the playoffs.
I'm not upset with the fact we traded Howard. I'm upset with how little we got back for him.
I'm not...I said he's a nice back. The fact remains his best year was his rookie year. He's been worse every year since then. Those are facts. He's replaceable. Like I said earlier, if you double Mike Davis's production from last year you get more yards on less carries than Howard had last year. And Seattles o-line is hot garbage!
Further, Howard CAN'T CATCH. Thats not me being anti-Howard, thats me stating a fact. Last year there were 45 other running backs who had more receptions than he did. The year before that there were 47 other running backs with more receptions than him! If he could catch, why doesn't he do it more? He had 20 receptions in 2018. On a team that threw the ball 512 times.
We didn't get worse as a team in my view. We're basically the same in the running back department, as I said, Mike Davis essentially equals Jordan Howard, but better in the pass game. What did you think Howard would have garnered in the trade market? Even last year? Carlos Hyde has 3,300 rushing yards...guess what he was traded for? Adrian Peterson was traded for a 6th round pick. ADRIAN PETERSON! Running backs that aren't special are not going to return a ton. Thats just the way it is in the NFL today. So Jordan Howard coming off an 1,100 yard season isn't worth much more, if anything at all than Jordan Howard coming off a 900 yard season. Again, these are facts. It's not personal.