Post by Whisky Beer Bob on Sept 29, 2016 12:17:06 GMT -6
Pace seems very analytical and methodic in the way he approaches tasks so I can see him having a flow chart of sorts with varying scenarios. I think this will play out later on this season and likely become a stand off. Just hope that the players will not declare allegiance of sorts and then we will have another effed up, factioned dressing room.
Pace seems very analytical and methodic in the way he approaches tasks so I can see him having a flow chart of sorts with varying scenarios. I think this will play out later on this season and likely become a stand off. Just hope that the players will not declare allegiance of sorts and then we will have another effed up, factioned dressing room.
I'll be rolling on the ground laughing if/when that happens..after all the talk of Fox fixing the lockerroom...priceless.
The only reason why that Cutler is still here, is because of the contract that Emry gave him..
I disagree 100%. That contract is actually what makes keeping now viable or trading him because as vet QBs with his stats and abilities go he's cheap and getting cheaper. You all need to do some research on your own and stop believing only what others write.
Fox and Pace had an option to replace him when they arrived and they didn't. That had far more to do with a lack of other options than it did with the contract because that first front loaded year was over and he's been getting less expensive ever since not more expensive.
There are quite a few QBs making far more than he is right now. I think he's somewhere around 16th or 17th on the list. If Pace could have gotten decent draft capital or players in return for him, or the team had a better option he always had the ability and the cap space to take the cap hit for his dead money if they felt they could do better.
The actual reason Cutler is here is because he's the best option we've had and no one has yet to bring in or trade for a better solution. Look around the NFL at how well a few other very highly paid QBs are doing and you'll see some of them getting their asses kicked as well like Brees in NOLA whose making far more money and how about Cousins in Washington who some thought we should trade for. Fitzy with the Jets just threw six, count 'em, SIX picks in his last game. Three of them in the end zone stopping TD drives.
Shiny new cars like shiny new QBs always look good until the first few dents and dings appear. Wentz looks great but who has he played so far? Two of his three games were Cleveland and us. Two 0-3 teams. The same with Prescott. That was our defense with six or seven starters out he tore up. Meanwhile Jared Goff is sitting in LA while they struggle and Paxton Lynch was beat out by a 7th round guy who had one kneel down to his credit before this season.
Come on guys. Do some ****ing research on your own instead of simply parroting what you read someone else write or overheard and do some of your own thinking for a change. I have no problem with anyone's opinions about Cutler based on something factual that supports it but this nonsense is getting old.
That's actually not the case right now Soul, up until this point his contract has been the reason he's still here, he still was 19mil in dead cap this year, next year it's only 2 mil. 38mi, 29mil, 19mil were the dead cap in the first 3 years of that contract, that's absurd, and if ANY team wanted saddled w/that contract Cutler would be on another team right now.
Everyone want the Bears to find their nect QB. We know it is time and very soon with will be back in our cycle of 20 starters on 10 years if they don't actively pursue this. Now that being said ESPN is sometimes no better than a tabloid paper. My like to make stupid statements for viewers and clicks. If 1 in 10 are right they can say look what we predicted. If wrong who cares make 10 more stupid claims. ESPN has become sports garbage "reporting".
That's actually not the case right now Soul, up until this point his contract has been the reason he's still here, he still was 19mil in dead cap this year, next year it's only 2 mil. 38mi, 29mil, 19mil were the dead cap in the first 3 years of that contract, that's absurd, and if ANY team wanted saddled w/that contract Cutler would be on another team right now.
Ric, he only got a $5 mil restructured signing bonus. The rest was all salary guarantees and roster bonus that would pass to whoever traded for him and agreed to either pick up that deal or they would renegotiate another one more cap friendly to them just like NYJ did with Marshall and we would have been off the hook for any of that as long as Cutler agreed to a renegotiation.
If they just out and out released him then whatever salary and or bonus deal he got from another team would have been an offset against those salary guarantees, we would have had to pick up any difference, and the cap hit would have been far less. So they only year he would never have been traded or released is year one under Emery when his salary and bonus was $22.5 mil and this is where all of that crap came from.
Was all of the talk about a trade to the Titans in 2015 so we could draft Mariota just talk or was there some truth to it? If it was accurate and Tennessee agreed to pick up his contract then our dead cap was only the $4 mil left from that signing bonus. In 2016 it would have been $3 mil and all the other team was on the hook for was his $16 mil 2016 salary and they'd have had him on a pay as you go deal.
This is why I'm saying that it has anything to with his contract is bull shit at least from 2016 forward. Emery wasn't gonna sign him, guaranteed him $54 mil and just trade him but if Fox and Pace could have found a trading partner in 2015 he could have been traded without that all of that $29 mil cap hit because it was in mostly salary not unamortized bonus. The devil is in the details Ric not what some writer says who can't read or understand how the deal was structured.
These are his salaries and roster bonuses from 2015 forward. What's in red is the amortization of that signing bonus Emery restructured in order to sign Jared Allen. That's the only recaptured dollars the cap would have been hit with. The rest was all salary guarantees and roster bonus that would have passed to the team who traded for him.
2014 Contract details by year 31 $17,500,000 - - - $1,000,000 $18,500,000 $38,000,000 2015 Contract details by year 32 $15,500,000 - - - $1,000,000 $16,500,000 $29,500,000 2016 Contract details by year 33 $16,000,000 - - - $1,000,000 $17,000,000 $19,000,000 2017 Contract details by year 34 $12,500,000 - $2,500,000 - $1,000,000 $16,000,000 $2,000,000 2018 Contract details by year 35 $13,500,000 - $2,500,000 - $1,000,000 $17,000,000 $1,000,000 2019 Contract details by year 36 $17,500,000 - $2,500,000 - - $20,000,000 - 2020 Contract details by year 37 $19,200,000 - $2,500,000
Everyone want the Bears to find their nect QB. We know it is time and very soon with will be back in our cycle of 20 starters on 10 years if they don't actively pursue this.
Now that being said ESPN is sometimes no better than a tabloid paper. My like to make stupid statements for viewers and clicks. If 1 in 10 are right they can say look what we predicted. If wrong who cares make 10 more stupid claims. ESPN has become sports garbage "reporting".
All 100% true and especially the first part which brings up another interesting point.
Ever since he arrived Ryan Pace has indicated a desire to draft a young QB but in back to back drafts he's passed on it. Year one I can understand to a degree because even I didn't think there was a whole lot of them worth pursuing other than maybe Mariota and if the rumors were at all true Pace tried. So who knows?
This year however I figured it was a certainty especially with three 4th round picks and I liked Dak Prescott for a lot of reasons long before the Dallas game and he was available through all three of our picks. Dallas didn't take him until the 37th compensatory pick. Why did we pass up Prescott three times for backup defenders at ILB, SS, and CB?
Kwiatkoski at #15 I could see because I think he's gonna develop into a really good ILB but after signing Freeman and Trevathan and having three other young ILB who played last year it still wasn't a huge need. Bush at #26 was a real "reach" and he's seen little time on the field period even in the preseason and Hall at #29 seems like a nice pick but still a reach.
Pace could have even traded a future pick for one more but for whatever reason I guess it leaves me wondering just whose controlling the draft, Pace or Fox and here's why?
When asked about Prescott and why the Bears, needing a young passer to groom, would have passed on him Fox's response was we saw players we liked more and had rated higher. A CB from a Div II school ranked higher than a productive Div I QB? A SS from Miami who had a horrible senior year ranked higher than Prescott??
The funny thing is Pace has never made that same comment. Just Fox. So whose controlling the draft? It's usually the GM who makes the final calls. I don't have the answer but I keep stacking up more and more stuff that seems to indicate another defensive minded HC (tail) is wagging his young inexperienced GM (dog).
Everyone want the Bears to find their nect QB. We know it is time and very soon with will be back in our cycle of 20 starters on 10 years if they don't actively pursue this.
Now that being said ESPN is sometimes no better than a tabloid paper. My like to make stupid statements for viewers and clicks. If 1 in 10 are right they can say look what we predicted. If wrong who cares make 10 more stupid claims. ESPN has become sports garbage "reporting".
Mike makes a good point here. A very good one.
Why is when ESPN posts an article about how crappy the Bears are or where they rank them or where they'll finish some of the same guys who'll say what Mike is saying here but when it's about Cutler then some of the same guys agree with them. What's up with that huh?
So what is it? Is ESPN a tabloid rag or an expert source on NFL football?
Everyone want the Bears to find their nect QB. We know it is time and very soon with will be back in our cycle of 20 starters on 10 years if they don't actively pursue this.
Now that being said ESPN is sometimes no better than a tabloid paper. My like to make stupid statements for viewers and clicks. If 1 in 10 are right they can say look what we predicted. If wrong who cares make 10 more stupid claims. ESPN has become sports garbage "reporting".
Mike makes a good point here. A very good one.
Why is when ESPN posts an article about how crappy the Bears are or where they rank them or where they'll finish some of the same guys who'll say what Mike is saying here but when it's about Cutler then some of the same guys agree with them. What's up with that huh?
So what is it? Is ESPN a tabloid rag or an expert source on NFL football?
It is a tabloid rag, but sometimes it gives us something to kick around on the messageboard anyway.
Why is when ESPN posts an article about how crappy the Bears are or where they rank them or where they'll finish some of the same guys who'll say what Mike is saying here but when it's about Cutler then some of the same guys agree with them. What's up with that huh?
So what is it? Is ESPN a tabloid rag or an expert source on NFL football?
It is a tabloid rag, but sometimes it gives us something to kick around on the messageboard anyway.
LOL Well there is that I suppose. The Trib and WCG and Bear Goggles, etc. get a little worn out sometimes. Guess I forget that.