89% and 97% from xp*1st year ever not being 100% since rookie year 75%(hello that's sad and cuttable right there)and 96% from xp*2nd year 84% and 96 from xp 3rd straight year.
There is more to the kicker then just fg's, xp's are part of their stats also, and again lets not forget he was losing his leg on kick offs. He's actually not been good at the ol xp thing since 2013, in NY he was actually under 90%, probably why they let him walk and he went on to SF.
Good for him figuring out what he was doing wrong, but that doesn't mean he would have been motivated to do that while staying in Chicago trying to feed his kids.
LOLOLOL Just like I said. Ric, you ever get arm strain from reaching so much for some small stat that you can use to back an obviously wrong position? Shit your sleeve length must be over 40 inches by now at the very least. LOLOL
Merely taking Robbie Goulds own words. He stated that he was glad the Bears moved on from him b/c it motivated him to ge better.
lol all the way you want Soul, but his words, those are FACTS, I know how you only like to deal in those
Yep, there's that too. The funny thing is Fangio was far more creative with blitzing and how he used his DL when he was at SF so once again I smell a Focks here quite possibly asking for or demanding as much vanilla from his defense as he does from his offense.
Like I posted before Grizz. I my adult lifetime I have never experienced any Bears HC who has ever done such a poor job at so many different things as Focks has. The guy has been an utter pariah for a young rebuilding team. He truly has no clue what he's doing.
How can he stand up there at a post game presser where he just got beat by a 1-10 team who won with 5 FGs and tell us his team looked well prepared in practice. For who or for what? A cribbage game? Once again we couldn't put more than 14 points on the board and only 7 of those came from the offense.
We only averaged 16 points per game on offense last season and it's even worse this year. Then look back to the one year under Trestman when we had a top five offense and we can see just how steep the decline has been under Focks and Pace and mostly because we kept releasing still productive players.
This is not just embarrassing it's just plain stupid personnel management.
Fangio had one of the lowest blitz rates in the league when he was in San Fran. I think this might be a time where you're looking for something that isn't there.
Ya I was really surprised when I heard that after the Bears hired him. I always thought he was really good at blitzing also; but like Smith he doesn't really want to lean on that.
Surprised Soul didn't already know that, he's a big fan of facts and only likes to use that lollololololololololol
Yep, there's that too. The funny thing is Fangio was far more creative with blitzing and how he used his DL when he was at SF so once again I smell a Focks here quite possibly asking for or demanding as much vanilla from his defense as he does from his offense.
Like I posted before Grizz. I my adult lifetime I have never experienced any Bears HC who has ever done such a poor job at so many different things as Focks has. The guy has been an utter pariah for a young rebuilding team. He truly has no clue what he's doing.
How can he stand up there at a post game presser where he just got beat by a 1-10 team who won with 5 FGs and tell us his team looked well prepared in practice. For who or for what? A cribbage game? Once again we couldn't put more than 14 points on the board and only 7 of those came from the offense.
We only averaged 16 points per game on offense last season and it's even worse this year. Then look back to the one year under Trestman when we had a top five offense and we can see just how steep the decline has been under Focks and Pace and mostly because we kept releasing still productive players.
This is not just embarrassing it's just plain stupid personnel management.
Fangio had one of the lowest blitz rates in the league when he was in San Fran. I think this might be a time where you're looking for something that isn't there.
Not frequency but rather unpredictability. He has blitzed his ILBs a bit this year but maybe not often enough now that Floyd is out and DL like Hicks and Goldman are wearing down as the season progresses.
It's obvious we aren't winning the battle against 3rd down conversions through coverage so maybe it needs to be done via pressure we aren't getting without a naked blitz or three. In a certain sense the defense has been nearly as poor at adaptation and creativity as the offense.
When a 1-10 team takes the TOP battle by a whopping 19 minutes I believe it was and runs and passes the ball up and down the field on you all day long something isn't right. Either the scheming is off or your players aren't well prepared or worse yet they have actually quit on you.
Fangio had one of the lowest blitz rates in the league when he was in San Fran. I think this might be a time where you're looking for something that isn't there.
Not frequency but rather unpredictability. He has blitzed his ILBs a bit this year but maybe not often enough now that Floyd is out and DL like Hicks and Goldman are wearing down as the season progresses.
It's obvious we aren't winning the battle against 3rd down conversions through coverage so maybe it needs to be done via pressure we aren't getting without a naked blitz or three. In a certain sense the defense has been nearly as poor at adaptation and creativity as the offense.
When a 1-10 team takes the TOP battle by a whopping 19 minutes I believe it was and runs and passes the ball up and down the field on you all day long something isn't right. Either the scheming is off or your players aren't well prepared or worse yet they have actually quit on you.
You can't even call this playing for pride.
I don't necessarily disagree with anything you just said right there...I'm just saying Fang has never been a big fan of the blitz and doesn't use it very much so I don't think it's the influence of Fox...I just think it's who Fangio is and has always been. It's one of the reasons why I, and sometimes it seems I'm alone on this, have held him just as accountable as everyone else on the staff for this teams performance. He's never been very creative when it comes to the blitz. Mike Zimmer is creative when it comes to blitz scheme. I think Fangio depends on the guys who are supposed to rush to get there...which works really well when you have guys like Justin Smith, Patrick Willis, Aldon Smith, and Navaaro Bowman to name a few.
LOLOLOL Just like I said. Ric, you ever get arm strain from reaching so much for some small stat that you can use to back an obviously wrong position? Shit your sleeve length must be over 40 inches by now at the very least. LOLOL
Merely taking Robbie Goulds own words. He stated that he was glad the Bears moved on from him b/c it motivated him to ge better.
lol all the way you want Soul, but his words, those are FACTS, I know how you only like to deal in those
And it also doesn't mean he could not have been re-motivated had he stayed. He was asked a question and he answered it. No one asked if it would never have happened here so that answer was never given. He never said had I not moved on I'd have continued to struggle and my career would have been over.
It's all in how you choose to interpret words or stats as FACTS Ric and it's always been that way with you. You have your own twists you continually apply to things never reading between the lines, never looking for what isn't said or isn't so obvious it might just be wrong.
This is one more throw shit at the wall and see what sticks response. Before it was the wind and the weather in Chicago. Or it was he was paid too much. Today it's Robbie said so himself. Do you see why every debate with you ends up in some circular fashion and why I won't debate you any longer?
It's like being on a never ending race track with no finish line. If I disprove something you just move on to another point even if it's somewhat meaningless in the whole of it like what he was paid. His paycheck didn't impact his accuracy and quite frankly neither did the wind when you become one of the five most accurate PKs in NFL history while spending your career kicking in it. Face it Ric. We let yet another still productive offensive player go and have gotten burned for it. And not only in this last game.
You don't analyze a damn thing on your own. All you do is extract data or quotes like this that will support your opinion and ignore the rest. Opinions are fine but they aren't facts yet you wield them like they are. It's not that you're stupid because you're not. You do know football. But you won't ever analyze ALL of the info available to draw your conclusions from and IMHO that does make you lazy and often posting incomplete conclusions much like this one.
Whose to say that had Focks and Rodgers not been down on him but were encouraging instead he could not have been motivated here because he sure as hell recovered from previous slumps while he was still a Bear. We can't possibly know that beyond a shadow of a doubt but if he's been nailing nearly 95% of his kicks since he left if he even hit 85% here he was still a hell of a lot better option than Barth. We ****ed up and that should be pretty obvious by now.
Not frequency but rather unpredictability. He has blitzed his ILBs a bit this year but maybe not often enough now that Floyd is out and DL like Hicks and Goldman are wearing down as the season progresses.
It's obvious we aren't winning the battle against 3rd down conversions through coverage so maybe it needs to be done via pressure we aren't getting without a naked blitz or three. In a certain sense the defense has been nearly as poor at adaptation and creativity as the offense.
When a 1-10 team takes the TOP battle by a whopping 19 minutes I believe it was and runs and passes the ball up and down the field on you all day long something isn't right. Either the scheming is off or your players aren't well prepared or worse yet they have actually quit on you.
You can't even call this playing for pride.
I don't necessarily disagree with anything you just said right there...I'm just saying Fang has never been a big fan of the blitz and doesn't use it very much so I don't think it's the influence of Fox...I just think it's who Fangio is and has always been. It's one of the reasons why I, and sometimes it seems I'm alone on this, have held him just as accountable as everyone else on the staff for this teams performance. He's never been very creative when it comes to the blitz. Mike Zimmer is creative when it comes to blitz scheme. I think Fangio depends on the guys who are supposed to rush to get there...which works really well when you have guys like Justin Smith, Patrick Willis, Aldon Smith, and Navaaro Bowman to name a few.
You're right. Most anything that Focks has influenced has gotten worse. The defense actually improved. No doubt the level of talent was much greater in SF and we haven't gotten anywhere near that level yet or at least not with all hands on deck. Consistently losing guys to injury or IR hasn't helped. It truly has been like an annual injury jinx.
In reality Fangio is the only coach whose even come close to meeting the objectives set out for him when he arrived but it's still not been quite good enough. Not enough talent and not enough experienced depth plus the ineffectiveness of his 3rd down defenses has been maddening. You can't win when you can't get off the field on 3rd downs.
In the Top-10 list of reasons “why the Bears are about to finish last in their division for the 4th straight year”, moving on from a then-slipping, inaccurate, weak-legged, and overpaid FG kicker is about #22 on the list.
I liked Robbie. 99% of Bears fans did. He had a great run here. But....the time had come. The fact that a couple years later he’s been able to rejuvenate his career and find renewed success, doesn’t lessen the fact that letting him go when Pace did was the correct move at the time. Blame Pace for failing to find a better replacement than Barth, sure, that’s fair game.
If the Bears offense wasn’t worthless (Pace, Fox, & Logg all sharing responsibility for that) then we would have scored more than 7 offensive points against a weak defense. If the Bears had won the game 24-15 like they should have, no one would be screaming about Robbie Gould at this point. No one would care that he made 5 FGs.
Poor placekicking isn’t the reason the team is 17-43 since 2014.
In the Top-10 list of reasons “why the Bears are about to finish last in their division for the 4th straight year”, moving on from a then-slipping, inaccurate, weak-legged, and overpaid FG kicker is about #22 on the list.
I liked Robbie. 99% of Bears fans did. He had a great run here. But....the time had come. The fact that a couple years later he’s been able to rejuvenate his career and find renewed success, doesn’t lessen the fact that letting him go when Pace did was the correct move at the time. Blame Pace for failing to find a better replacement than Barth, sure, that’s fair game.
If the Bears offense wasn’t worthless (Pace, Fox, & Logg all sharing responsibility for that) then we would have scored more than 7 offensive points against a weak defense. If the Bears had won the game 24-15 like they should have, no one would be screaming about Robbie Gould at this point. No one would care that he made 5 FGs.
Poor placekicking isn’t the reason the team is 17-43 since 2014.
In the Top-10 list of reasons “why the Bears are about to finish last in their division for the 4th straight year”, moving on from a then-slipping, inaccurate, weak-legged, and overpaid FG kicker is about #22 on the list.
I liked Robbie. 99% of Bears fans did. He had a great run here. But....the time had come. The fact that a couple years later he’s been able to rejuvenate his career and find renewed success, doesn’t lessen the fact that letting him go when Pace did was the correct move at the time. Blame Pace for failing to find a better replacement than Barth, sure, that’s fair game.
If the Bears offense wasn’t worthless (Pace, Fox, & Logg all sharing responsibility for that) then we would have scored more than 7 offensive points against a weak defense. If the Bears had won the game 24-15 like they should have, no one would be screaming about Robbie Gould at this point. No one would care that he made 5 FGs.
Poor placekicking isn’t the reason the team is 17-43 since 2014.
Let’s move on.
Yeah...the Patriots moved on from Vinatierri...they just got the replacement right in Gostkowski.
In the Top-10 list of reasons “why the Bears are about to finish last in their division for the 4th straight year”, moving on from a then-slipping, inaccurate, weak-legged, and overpaid FG kicker is about #22 on the list.
I liked Robbie. 99% of Bears fans did. He had a great run here. But....the time had come. The fact that a couple years later he’s been able to rejuvenate his career and find renewed success, doesn’t lessen the fact that letting him go when Pace did was the correct move at the time. Blame Pace for failing to find a better replacement than Barth, sure, that’s fair game.
If the Bears offense wasn’t worthless (Pace, Fox, & Logg all sharing responsibility for that) then we would have scored more than 7 offensive points against a weak defense. If the Bears had won the game 24-15 like they should have, no one would be screaming about Robbie Gould at this point. No one would care that he made 5 FGs.
Poor placekicking isn’t the reason the team is 17-43 since 2014.
Let’s move on.
Yeah...the Patriots moved on from Vinatierri...they just got the replacement right in Gostkowski.
And this is really the bottom line. I did not think we should have moved away from Gould, but he was the highest paid kicker at that time. I would rather have tried to get a better package negotiated. Maybe with incentives to get him back to where he was.
But it is never a bad thing to change out players as long as you can get the same (if original is overpaid and older) or better. We didn't get the right guy and that is why the light is being shined on the Gould decision. Same as the Glennon decision. Had he gotten a decent QB, none of the controversy surrounding T would be on the table right now. Pace has made some blunders. I am on the fence with him. If he got replaced I would not blow a gasket. I would like to see him stay and find out if he gets the right HC if things will get better, but he has made bad decisions that have nothing to do with the HC (Gould might have had Fox wanting Barth, but Glennon was all on Pace I think). His drafting is good buth when you make so many other bad decisions, the good drafting down not have a chance to take effect.
I can go either way, but prefer he stays at least another year.