Post by butkus3595 on Nov 10, 2017 16:21:47 GMT -6
Nov 10, 2017 12:00:10 GMT -6 @soulman said:
I mean except for everything I've ever studied says theres a correlation between size and speed and receiver success in the NFL...sure...size and speed aren't important. Does that always hold true? Nope...but when you're playing a crap shoot like the draft you try to increase your odds as much as you can. And if you have conviction in a guy...the answer is you never trade back and hope to hit later. Whats the point of trading back if I now have to use two picks to try and hit on a position? If you don't want to spend 1st round picks on a receiver you're going to be passing up a lot of very good players.
Now...that being said, I've long said that teams need to watch film more, and pay less attention to the shorts and shirts olympics that take place in Indiana each year. I think the bigger issue is that teams don't always think about the scheme they are running and whether that players skills will translate to that scheme...or...and even bigger issue in my mind...they won't adjust their scheme to fit that players talents.
In White's case he shot up the boards when he ran a 4.35 at the combine and at 6'3"/215lbs looked the part of another Julio Jones who could dominate in the NFL. And as I recall there were many who compared him to Jones at that time.
The big difference was Jones was a skilled WR coming into the NFL whereas White was not. He as a JUCO transfer who had one big year at WVU playing a single position and was being used in a very limited fashion. It's obvious we overlooked that little detail or simply believed we could teach him the rest of what he needed to know and we'd have our own Julio Jones.
But injuries aside Kevin White has never been a quick study and seems to lack a top football IQ which only compounded the problems caused by his injuries and his inability to practice and play. All of this has to have gotten into his head so deep I'm convinced we'll never get it out of there and that at least as far as the Bears are concerned he will never even come close to what he was drafted to be.
Maybe he can resurrect his career elsewhere but I think his days here are done even if he can somehow stay healthy and that's totally unproven so far.
White was able to dominate at a college level provided they simplified his tasks. I'm having similar concerns about Shaheen. I realize he played Div II football but he's another guy we need to see show some ability to break out at this level at least in the red zone. Watching his 6'7"/275lbs get stoned at the LOS by a Safety who kept him from getting to a potential TD pass doesn't exactly fill me with confidence about him either and he was a 2nd round pick taken once again based on his athleticism and upside but....is he a good football player?
Given our current state at WR I'm beginning to wonder whether or not this GM and his staff are as bad at choosing WR talent as JA was at stocking and OL and his skills at drafting WRs was nothing to brag on either. I don't care all that much where we draft receiving talent as I do that we actually draft proven talent only and not "over draft" players where we're always dependent on their ascension and their "upside". We've gotten burned so far with White and even Shaheen at TE is beginning to cast some doubts and both were drafted high using similar criteria.
We need to be better at drafting receivers than we have been.
As for White...we've danced that dance way too many times...I'm not doing it again. If you look at Jones scouting report coming out...it's nearly identical to Whites. All I can say is, had he stayed healthy, and the Bears let him do what he was good at doing the opinion on him would be much different than it is now.