"Yeah.. I mean splitting hairs here, no team is obligated to pay the market value for anything. They can decide that the value TO THEM is higher than the market value. So, your statement is true. But it also is true that in order to get that commodity, that is what it is worth at that point in time. That last statement is non-negotiable as the price paid proves that is the market value and what it was worth (to someone) at that time."
If I want to buy a racecar to complete a team, and I can pick from several, but I am only allowed to spend a set amount of dollars; It really doesn't matter if the market value by another team for one is 200k, if I can get a car that performs similar for 80k. I'm not beholden, nor should it be considered smart to pay market value for the one that is slightly better, especially if it hurts my team down the line when I have to settle on lesser vehicles to surround that one.
My over riding point is, market value really has no meaning or place in the NFL if I'm a GM. I have my price and all I care about is my price when building my team, if another team is willing to pay far more for a piece I want, well feel free to have it; if I am willing to pay far more then another team, well so be it.
Any scout or person on my team talking about "market value" would likely not have a job in the NFL.
Now I know when it comes to capitalism and the open market, that's a completely different thing. I just think the NFL different in that regard.
And right there is the eternal rub. You won't know how the respective cars will perform until the race is over. All you can do is base your price on what you THINK their respective performances will be.
I felt that JA and Emery also has the team on a positive path so what do I know. I think Pace spent 3 FA sessions and 2 drafts setting a floor. Some of that was self inflicted, and he still hasn't proven he's fix the hole at WR, TE and QB. The OL and running game are in good shape. The DEF is looking up and many in the national media are going to be surprised that the Bears DEF is good, top 10 maybe.
But this team still has a ways to go and the depth esp on DEF leaves a lot to be desired.
However all in all, they should at least double the win total formats year.
Idd I really felt good about Emery. He bought in Burshrod and Marshall in the first off season along with Benett I think. Overall I thought good, and even though most of his picks turned out to be busts, at that time I still thought he was better than JA, and was satisfied with him.
So after having been on the Emery hype train I am now more likely to trust our furture GMs in this case Pace before at minimum 3 drafts, and most preferable 4 years. Then you will know how the draft picks turned out and if FA players were the right ones and stuff. So currently I am nor either.
This video is about the TE Shaneen, but in this video it gives us a glimpse of Pace's vision for the Chicago Bears. If you watch this video along with the one in the previous post (on why he drafted Trubisky) you get a great overview of his vision for the team. I'll be honest, I really really like his vision. He says in that first video that he doesn't want the team to be ordinary. He is driven to build a great team with young players with upside and high-ceilings.
I like how he is wanting to build a young team that can sustain winning for the long-haul. He isn't looking to slap something together in a quick fix. And he obviously isn't trying to impress the sports media, or even the fans for that matter. He is doing it his way. I like that.
In the past several years it seemed like the Bears just patched things together. Too many players were older guys on the way down in their careers. I couldn't understand "the plan" because we seemed to just lurch from season to season. We didn't even TRY to draft a QB high in the draft. Year after year we just ignored the position in the draft... at least in the early rounds. But now we have a guy who "gets it" that the QB position is (as he says) "the most important player position in professional sports."
I think this guy is gonna get it done for us and ultimately deliver a championship caliber team. It won't be this year. And fans will hate on him. But I like his vision for the Bears. It is going to be VERY exciting to watch this young team learn, develop and come together (with all 3 years of his young players) to become a great team. I believe it will happen.
Go Bears!
One thing is for sure - Pace has a vision for this team and has a plan in place in order to try to make that vision a reality. He also seems to be sticking to that plan pretty religiously. None of those can be said about our previous GM
JA had a plan, it didn't work but he had a plan. I remember reading that he and Smith believed that post Super Bowl, they had the foundation in place and needed to raise the overall floor of the team. So you got decisions like swapping M.Anderson for ABrown at starting DE. Many of the draft picks on DE make sense when considered in that light (no I'm not saying JA made good draft picks, he sucked at drafting overall--just that he had a plan.) Adding specific role players, creating depth and adding to the floor. It was a designed to plug and play the draft picks in among the elite defenders the team had. Terrible theory since like most elite defenses that dragged a subpar QB to a SB they couldn't reduplicate their season and the QB got worse.
Now Emery articulated a plan in a press conference that won national acclaim. Didn't help much.
Pace has a plan. We'll see what happens. He threw resources at the QB position this off season. If he hits, the WRs, the TE, the OL and the OFF will be better. With a better OFF, the DEF will be better. I hope he got it right.
JA had a plan, it didn't work but he had a plan. I remember reading that he and Smith believed that post Super Bowl, they had the foundation in place and needed to raise the overall floor of the team. So you got decisions like swapping M.Anderson for ABrown at starting DE. Many of the draft picks on DE make sense when considered in that light (no I'm not saying JA made good draft picks, he sucked at drafting overall--just that he had a plan.) Adding specific role players, creating depth and adding to the floor. It was a designed to plug and play the draft picks in among the elite defenders the team had. Terrible theory since like most elite defenses that dragged a subpar QB to a SB they couldn't reduplicate their season and the QB got worse.
Now Emery articulated a plan in a press conference that won national acclaim. Didn't help much.
Pace has a plan. We'll see what happens. He threw resources at the QB position this off season. If he hits, the WRs, the TE, the OL and the OFF will be better. With a better OFF, the DEF will be better. I hope he got it right.
I remember JA saying post SB that they were going to worry about re signing their own players and not worry about FA b/c of their post season success. They had a plan; it was just terrible. This was a team on the O side that was getting old on the OL, and the WR's weren't very good, that team needed a lot of help.
JA had a plan, it didn't work but he had a plan. I remember reading that he and Smith believed that post Super Bowl, they had the foundation in place and needed to raise the overall floor of the team. So you got decisions like swapping M.Anderson for ABrown at starting DE. Many of the draft picks on DE make sense when considered in that light (no I'm not saying JA made good draft picks, he sucked at drafting overall--just that he had a plan.) Adding specific role players, creating depth and adding to the floor. It was a designed to plug and play the draft picks in among the elite defenders the team had. Terrible theory since like most elite defenses that dragged a subpar QB to a SB they couldn't reduplicate their season and the QB got worse.
Now Emery articulated a plan in a press conference that won national acclaim. Didn't help much.
Pace has a plan. We'll see what happens. He threw resources at the QB position this off season. If he hits, the WRs, the TE, the OL and the OFF will be better. With a better OFF, the DEF will be better. I hope he got it right.
I remember JA saying post SB that they were going to worry about re signing their own players and not worry about FA b/c of their post season success. They had a plan; it was just terrible. This was a team on the O side that was getting old on the OL, and the WR's weren't very good, that team needed a lot of help.
That team was the blue print for poor sustainability as far as deep playoff runs go. Just classic and its funny how some people just don't get it. A defense with elite defenders plays like it and drags an OFF that is stumbling to the SB. They lose because the OFF can't score points even with a ST TD. Next year, the elite guys still play at a high level but the non-elite guys regress. So no elite DEF to drag the OFF. They might still have been good, but they weren't top of the line anymore.
One and done. and we've seen it time and time again since 2000. A great DEF wins or gets to a SB but can't repeat the following year. Meanwhile teams with good DEFs and good QBs, along with bad DEFs and great QBs get to and win SBS. Yet, lets not draft a QB. SMH.
These QBs might not work out either, but have to try.
I do find it interesting that most of the Bears fans on this messageboard are generally positive, but if you read the Internet comments since the draft, it seems like most Bears fans are jumping off the ledges now. Pace is getting roasted as an idiot failed GM. Like it's all over for the franchise for the next 5, 10 or even 15 years. Oh, the humanity of it all, because Pace traded up to draft a QB at #2 in the first round. Like life on planet earth, as we know it, is over now.
I do find it interesting that most of the Bears fans on this messageboard are generally positive, but if you read the Internet comments since the draft, it seems like most Bears fans are jumping off the ledges now. Pace is getting roasted as an idiot failed GM. Like it's all over for the franchise for the next 5, 10 or even 15 years. Oh, the humanity of it all, because Pace traded up to draft a QB at #2 in the first round. Like life on planet earth, as we know it, is over now.
I do find it interesting that most of the Bears fans on this messageboard are generally positive, but if you read the Internet comments since the draft, it seems like most Bears fans are jumping off the ledges now. Pace is getting roasted as an idiot failed GM. Like it's all over for the franchise for the next 5, 10 or even 15 years. Oh, the humanity of it all, because Pace traded up to draft a QB at #2 in the first round. Like life on planet earth, as we know it, is over now.
I do find it interesting that most of the Bears fans on this messageboard are generally positive, but if you read the Internet comments since the draft, it seems like most Bears fans are jumping off the ledges now. Pace is getting roasted as an idiot failed GM. Like it's all over for the franchise for the next 5, 10 or even 15 years. Oh, the humanity of it all, because Pace traded up to draft a QB at #2 in the first round. Like life on planet earth, as we know it, is over now.
I find that most people here have their own thoughts and veiws outside of ESPN. Casual fans and meatheads tend to just parrot the talking heads on TV. Remove the media influence and people here believe this was a decent draft.