Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 8:35:29 GMT -6
ok, after thinking about this a little bit (which is all I can do before my head hurts and I have to go find Ric and attach whatever position he has that morning) here is what I think (and this is where the more intelligent posters should bail).
The goals before FA are still the goals after FA. We need to build a team to win Super Bowls and be in the post season on a regular basis.
The most important component to this is a franchise or winning or top QB or whatever you want to call him. An effective, game winning QB that can lift a team. Whatever label you like, that is the bottom line.
I said at the beginning of this off season that if we accomplish that, the off season would be successful. I let my disappointment from Paces performance yesterday take my eye off the prize. If we accomplish that and only that this offseason, that still allows us to build the easier parts of the team. As hard as some of those parts are, they are all easier -- much easier ---- than a franchise QB.
To that end, we got Mike Glennon. All kidding aside, I am not sure I like him, but there are plenty of stories on him that are positive. He has not has a good opportunity at TB, and those are sometimes how you find the gems. I am keeping an open mind that perhaps he can be a good QB. The flip side is he is 5-13 (sorry Ric, but it IS pertinent). He did have enough play in the league to have that number be better if he was the kind of guy that just would not take a loss --- that he would almost kill himself out there to win a game. Some of the criticism I saw of him said that he was a little too laid back. Brady is calm but certainly not laid back. You have to have the eye of the tiger and I don't see it with Glennon, but he is a Bear and I want to see what he can do.
We may also take a QB in the draft. If QB looks to be our goal this offseason, I say go for broke and get the best kid in the draft for the QB position and go in with Glennon, the draftee and Shaw. Not my first choices, but the only real change for me would have been McCown instead of Glennon. As a stopgap, you need cheap and adequate.
I don't know if Pace sees Glennon as a starter or a bridge. I suppose the answer is up to Glennons performance. Quite frankly, if he turns out to be a franchise QB, neither myself or any other fan are going to care that it's Glennon instead of the new guy. We just want a franchise QB.
As far as yesterday, I do think Paces performance was poor. We had needs and we had CAP. I don't think he adjusted to the market realities. Did some guys get paid more than they are worth? Yeah, probably. But that is going to happen every year and the GM needs to be able to operate in that environment. So you can't overpay for everyone you get, but maybe you do for the right guy at the right position, but to stay "disciplined" can be counter productive. I think there is a chance we are less of a team than we were before.
I don't know what we have in Glennon. It could be bad. It could be good. But even if good, he may be bad if he has no weapons. I know losing AJ and not replacing him (hopefully in the draft?) makes us worse. IMO, no player of consequence was added. If we get the franchise QB this year and build onto it from here on out, we'll be ok, but some things worry me.
1) We SHOULD have been able to make our team better this FA with our bar already very low and the CAP we had. We did not. Call it because people did not want to play for Fox, or we won't pay enough or even whatever made up reason you like. Bottom line is that we should have improved and did not. So even if (big if) we got our franchise QB, if we do not change our FA approach, will we in reality be able to get better next year, or are we going to go the long haul and only use the draft. That is a 7 year process and then the original pieces will already have hit FA (which we will lose some and so really just keep treading water). We need to look at this FA fail with a critical eye and make needed changes to our approach and be more flexible.
2) Paying so much more than others were willing to pay Glennon and then bailing on other positions of real need when the prices go high is a real brain twister for me. If the philosophy was the same across the board, I guess I could at least understand it, but to pay more when you don't need to and to offer less when you need to offer more scares me because I wonder if we are dealing with rational players here. Obviously I don't know everything about what happened, but some real flags for me.
3) We now need more positions from the draft (with WR added). We have almost put ourselves in a trade down position. Not necessarily a bad thing except we have few playmakers and at least this draft and maybe next draft, we need to get some impact people. They live at the top of the draft. If we trade down and sacrifice quality for quantity (which unfortunately we also need), are we just swapping spit? Lose them in FA and then get another that might pan out. NE can and has done it, but my confidence in Pace has waivered and I'm not sure he can do that yet.
I despise even thinking about maybe having to look forward to a high pick next year. That is not what I enjoy about football. I want to see my team compete and win and be therefor them in the playoffs. Going for a high draft pick is great, but it should be a one or two year thing. This is becoming a perennial thing and I'm not liking it. AT this point, I'm even wondering if Pace is going to screw up having a #3 pick. At the beginning he talked about the assets he had in CAP and the draft and how important to the clubs future it was to get it right, and I was and am totally on board with that. Unfortunately, I do think he did not get the FA part of it right.
I want to see how this ends but my optimism is lessened.
The goals before FA are still the goals after FA. We need to build a team to win Super Bowls and be in the post season on a regular basis.
The most important component to this is a franchise or winning or top QB or whatever you want to call him. An effective, game winning QB that can lift a team. Whatever label you like, that is the bottom line.
I said at the beginning of this off season that if we accomplish that, the off season would be successful. I let my disappointment from Paces performance yesterday take my eye off the prize. If we accomplish that and only that this offseason, that still allows us to build the easier parts of the team. As hard as some of those parts are, they are all easier -- much easier ---- than a franchise QB.
To that end, we got Mike Glennon. All kidding aside, I am not sure I like him, but there are plenty of stories on him that are positive. He has not has a good opportunity at TB, and those are sometimes how you find the gems. I am keeping an open mind that perhaps he can be a good QB. The flip side is he is 5-13 (sorry Ric, but it IS pertinent). He did have enough play in the league to have that number be better if he was the kind of guy that just would not take a loss --- that he would almost kill himself out there to win a game. Some of the criticism I saw of him said that he was a little too laid back. Brady is calm but certainly not laid back. You have to have the eye of the tiger and I don't see it with Glennon, but he is a Bear and I want to see what he can do.
We may also take a QB in the draft. If QB looks to be our goal this offseason, I say go for broke and get the best kid in the draft for the QB position and go in with Glennon, the draftee and Shaw. Not my first choices, but the only real change for me would have been McCown instead of Glennon. As a stopgap, you need cheap and adequate.
I don't know if Pace sees Glennon as a starter or a bridge. I suppose the answer is up to Glennons performance. Quite frankly, if he turns out to be a franchise QB, neither myself or any other fan are going to care that it's Glennon instead of the new guy. We just want a franchise QB.
As far as yesterday, I do think Paces performance was poor. We had needs and we had CAP. I don't think he adjusted to the market realities. Did some guys get paid more than they are worth? Yeah, probably. But that is going to happen every year and the GM needs to be able to operate in that environment. So you can't overpay for everyone you get, but maybe you do for the right guy at the right position, but to stay "disciplined" can be counter productive. I think there is a chance we are less of a team than we were before.
I don't know what we have in Glennon. It could be bad. It could be good. But even if good, he may be bad if he has no weapons. I know losing AJ and not replacing him (hopefully in the draft?) makes us worse. IMO, no player of consequence was added. If we get the franchise QB this year and build onto it from here on out, we'll be ok, but some things worry me.
1) We SHOULD have been able to make our team better this FA with our bar already very low and the CAP we had. We did not. Call it because people did not want to play for Fox, or we won't pay enough or even whatever made up reason you like. Bottom line is that we should have improved and did not. So even if (big if) we got our franchise QB, if we do not change our FA approach, will we in reality be able to get better next year, or are we going to go the long haul and only use the draft. That is a 7 year process and then the original pieces will already have hit FA (which we will lose some and so really just keep treading water). We need to look at this FA fail with a critical eye and make needed changes to our approach and be more flexible.
2) Paying so much more than others were willing to pay Glennon and then bailing on other positions of real need when the prices go high is a real brain twister for me. If the philosophy was the same across the board, I guess I could at least understand it, but to pay more when you don't need to and to offer less when you need to offer more scares me because I wonder if we are dealing with rational players here. Obviously I don't know everything about what happened, but some real flags for me.
3) We now need more positions from the draft (with WR added). We have almost put ourselves in a trade down position. Not necessarily a bad thing except we have few playmakers and at least this draft and maybe next draft, we need to get some impact people. They live at the top of the draft. If we trade down and sacrifice quality for quantity (which unfortunately we also need), are we just swapping spit? Lose them in FA and then get another that might pan out. NE can and has done it, but my confidence in Pace has waivered and I'm not sure he can do that yet.
I despise even thinking about maybe having to look forward to a high pick next year. That is not what I enjoy about football. I want to see my team compete and win and be therefor them in the playoffs. Going for a high draft pick is great, but it should be a one or two year thing. This is becoming a perennial thing and I'm not liking it. AT this point, I'm even wondering if Pace is going to screw up having a #3 pick. At the beginning he talked about the assets he had in CAP and the draft and how important to the clubs future it was to get it right, and I was and am totally on board with that. Unfortunately, I do think he did not get the FA part of it right.
I want to see how this ends but my optimism is lessened.