I hope you haven't had that job and coworkers long lol
That sounds like a rough decade if so...and i couldn't imagine 10-15 Packer fan coworkers in 2010...
Not long. Only since late 2000. Yeah, 2010 was a rough year.
I can't remember the count of the comments like "We all thought Mike McCaskey was a closet Packer fan, they way he kept farking up the Briars".
I feel ya' chuck. I lived in GB for nearly 15 years surrounded by those same Cheeseheads.
They've become incredibly arrogant and entitled over the years but when fortune does not smile on them or turns against them they are also incredible whiners. My oldest and a few more buddies who usually shoot me some barbed texts before and after the Bears game have been notably silent this week. They like to dish it out but don't like it in reverse.
I'll finish with this thought.
Over the past three seasons or so I have been one of my teams biggest critics, and with good reason. They became a poorly coached and poorly managed joke. A complete mess of a team despite having a reasonable amount of talent.
Even as this year began with it's huge heartbreaking loss I refused to jump back on board 100% and still saw them as an 8-8 team at best despite all of the added player and coaching talent. They still got beat by GB and until they could do that and remove that monkey from their backs they could not win the NFCN or make the playoffs.
So.....it wasn't until this Sunday when they both beat GB AND clinched the NFCN and a playoff spot that I became a believer and 100% invested in them again. I'm a harsh critic and a tough sell. I admit that but they finally were able to put that combination together and beat GB in a crucial game to once again claim their right as the best in the NFCN.
I give much credit to Matt Nagy and his staff and to the entire team for this because it truly has been an entire team effort. From this point on I feel that it's fair to expect even bigger and better things from them. It was a long haul and an uphill climb with a few landslides along the way but I feel the Bears of old are back. They've truly arrived again.
Not long. Only since late 2000. Yeah, 2010 was a rough year.
I can't remember the count of the comments like "We all thought Mike McCaskey was a closet Packer fan, they way he kept farking up the Briars".
I feel ya' chuck. I lived in GB for nearly 15 years surrounded by those same Cheeseheads.
They've become incredibly arrogant and entitled over the years but when fortune does not smile on them or turns against them they are also incredible whiners. My oldest and a few more buddies who usually shoot me some barbed texts before and after the Bears game have been notably silent this week. They like to dish it out but don't like it in reverse.
I'll finish with this thought.
Over the past three seasons or so I have been one of my teams biggest critics, and with good reason. They became a poorly coached and poorly managed joke. A complete mess of a team despite having a reasonable amount of talent.
Even as this year began with it's huge heartbreaking loss I refused to jump back on board 100% and still saw them as an 8-8 team at best despite all of the added player and coaching talent. They still got beat by GB and until they could do that and remove that monkey from their backs they could not win the NFCN or make the playoffs.
So.....it wasn't until this Sunday when they both beat GB AND clinched the NFCN and a playoff spot that I became a believer and 100% invested in them again. I'm a harsh critic and a tough sell. I admit that but they finally were able to put that combination together and beat GB in a crucial game to once again claim their right as the best in the NFCN.
I give much credit to Matt Nagy and his staff and to the entire team for this because it truly has been an entire team effort. From this point on I feel that it's fair to expect even bigger and better things from them. It was a long haul and an uphill climb with a few landslides along the way but I feel the Bears of old are back. They've truly arrived again.
We all hit the point with someone, an organization, whatever who has disappointed you, broken your heart, etc that you have to see some real tangible evidence that things have changed before you are willing to emotionally reinvest. Otherwise the future disappointment will just hurt way too much.
I was more or less at the same point as you with the Fox Bears. Personally I believed in Ryan Pace and wanted to believe in George McCaskey but I was worried that Ted Philips (and possibly an unknown new political player from the McCaskey family) were still meddling and that was why Fox was still around.
It took three things for me to buy in.
The drafting of Trubisky and the way he was drafted. Pace identified his QB of the future and went out and got him. And he convinced George McCaskey. And they cut Fox out of the entire process. That told me that Pace was starting to flex his organizational muscle. The Bears are his team. A huge f'ing step for Pace.
Then came the firing of Fox and the hiring of Nagy. First was Nagy seemed to be everything Fax was not. And it seemed to me that both Pace and Nagy were on the same wavelength. I would even go out on a limb and say the same for keeping Fangio as well.
The last thing was going to camp and having a chat with Anthony Miller's mother and aunts in the stand. They were talking about how much Anthony and the other young players idolize Nagy. And I could see the older guys seem to buy in. And I didn't look at specific players, I spend the entire practice session watching the coaching staff. All the new offensive coaches were very high energy. Very upbeat and always teaching. Ths was reinforce about 100x form my discussions will Miller's family.
So I was already pouring a big frothy glass of the Kool-Aid in July. Would I have been devastated if the Nagy Bears turn out to be a complete dumpster fire? Absolutely! But happily is did not turn out that way.
Once final thing that really cemented it for me is the reaction of one of the Packer fans at work. This guy is a really nice fellow. He coaches Illinois HS football at a state championship level and really understands the game. He also isn't a complete pecker. He saw the same things we did and was/is scared sh*tless of what the Bears are doing. And he is afraid that the Packers will not transform their roster fast enough to keep up with the Bears.
As I said in another post Nagy and Fangio are to Pace and this eras Bears as Ditka and Buddy were to GSH and that eras Bears. It's not that their personalities are alike at all. They couldn't be any more opposite if they tried. It's that each appears to be a perfect match for the teams they coach.
The '80s Bears had talent but they lacked the kind of discipline and commitment to a singular goal that Ditka and Buddy managed to bring about. Ditka was no offensive genius but he had an OC who was and he had guys like Mac, Walter, and Matt Suhey who had talent and wanted more than anything to win. Ditka was a motivator just as GSH was.
Nagy and Fangio have similar roles to that of Ditka and Buddy. Nagy is a far better offensive strategist AND a motivator in today's era with today's players but Ditka and Buddy did much the same with that wacky group they had and gained their love and respect. What's most alike is both teams played extremely hard but also had (have) fun winning.
The '85 Bears had their Super Bowl Shuffle. The 2018 Bears have their end zone celebrations following defensive scores. Both teams developed confidence in their ability to win and play (played) with some swagger. Coaching in both cases encouraged that and within reason it's good. It's an incentive to dominate that's been lacking 'til now.
Personally I never saw Lovie's 2006 Bears as being similar to the '85 Bears. The intensity was there but not quite that same swagger or will to dominate. In this team however I do see it. Their personalities may be far different but the roles many players have is very similar and furthermore the way they commit as a team on both units is much the same.
If there will ever be a reincarnation of the '85 Bears this bunch may be it.
As I said in another post Nagy and Fangio are to Pace and this eras Bears as Ditka and Buddy were to GSH and that eras Bears. It's not that their personalities are alike at all. They couldn't be any more opposite if they tried. It's that each appears to be a perfect match for the teams they coach.
The '80s Bears had talent but they lacked the kind of discipline and commitment to a singular goal that Ditka and Buddy managed to bring about. Ditka was no offensive genius but he had an OC who was and he had guys like Mac, Walter, and Matt Suhey who had talent and wanted more than anything to win. Ditka was a motivator just as GSH was.
Nagy and Fangio have similar roles to that of Ditka and Buddy. Nagy is a far better offensive strategist AND a motivator in today's era with today's players but Ditka and Buddy did much the same with that wacky group they had and gained their love and respect. What's most alike is both teams played extremely hard but also had (have) fun winning.
The '85 Bears had their Super Bowl Shuffle. The 2018 Bears have their end zone celebrations following defensive scores. Both teams developed confidence in their ability to win and play (played) with some swagger. Coaching in both cases encouraged that and within reason it's good. It's an incentive to dominate that's been lacking 'til now.
Personally I never saw Lovie's 2006 Bears as being similar to the '85 Bears. The intensity was there but not quite that same swagger or will to dominate. In this team however I do see it. Their personalities may be far different but the roles many players have is very similar and furthermore the way they commit as a team on both units is much the same.
If there will ever be a reincarnation of the '85 Bears this bunch may be it.
I think this current team has the potential to br better than the 85 bears. Not that the current defense will outperform the85 Bears (they might). Just that the current roster has a better chance to stay together. No Mike McCaskey lurking in the wings.
As I said in another post Nagy and Fangio are to Pace and this eras Bears as Ditka and Buddy were to GSH and that eras Bears. It's not that their personalities are alike at all. They couldn't be any more opposite if they tried. It's that each appears to be a perfect match for the teams they coach.
The '80s Bears had talent but they lacked the kind of discipline and commitment to a singular goal that Ditka and Buddy managed to bring about. Ditka was no offensive genius but he had an OC who was and he had guys like Mac, Walter, and Matt Suhey who had talent and wanted more than anything to win. Ditka was a motivator just as GSH was.
Nagy and Fangio have similar roles to that of Ditka and Buddy. Nagy is a far better offensive strategist AND a motivator in today's era with today's players but Ditka and Buddy did much the same with that wacky group they had and gained their love and respect. What's most alike is both teams played extremely hard but also had (have) fun winning.
The '85 Bears had their Super Bowl Shuffle. The 2018 Bears have their end zone celebrations following defensive scores. Both teams developed confidence in their ability to win and play (played) with some swagger. Coaching in both cases encouraged that and within reason it's good. It's an incentive to dominate that's been lacking 'til now.
Personally I never saw Lovie's 2006 Bears as being similar to the '85 Bears. The intensity was there but not quite that same swagger or will to dominate. In this team however I do see it. Their personalities may be far different but the roles many players have is very similar and furthermore the way they commit as a team on both units is much the same.
If there will ever be a reincarnation of the '85 Bears this bunch may be it.
I think this current team has the potential to br better than the 85 bears. Not that the current defense will outperform the85 Bears (they might). Just that the current roster has a better chance to stay together. No Mike McCaskey lurking in the wings.
Don't think they will be better then them, the amount of all/pro's HoF'rs on that roster was through the roof on both sides of the ball. Not sure this team has that talent level(yet). I think they could easily be better then the mid 2000's team though. IMO both are very similar w/a super strong def a solid run game and a young qb's doing their best but not quite ready.
Post by Whisky Beer Bob on Dec 18, 2018 8:36:02 GMT -6
What is really scary about this team is the Offense is not up to snuff yet. You watch Rams or Saints games and see the yards after the catch. That is why Mahomes yards are so high, the YAC.
Once our receivers and Trubs get more in tune.......WOWZERS!!! Can you imagine.
I think this current team has the potential to br better than the 85 bears. Not that the current defense will outperform the85 Bears (they might). Just that the current roster has a better chance to stay together. No Mike McCaskey lurking in the wings.
Don't think they will be better then them, the amount of all/pro's HoF'rs on that roster was through the roof on both sides of the ball. Not sure this team has that talent level(yet). I think they could easily be better then the mid 2000's team though. IMO both are very similar w/a super strong def a solid run game and a young qb's doing their best but not quite ready.
I didn't mean better because of head to head quality for each player. I meant they will probably be thought of as greater because of the potential for being a dynasty type of team (multiple SB appearances over 6 - 8 years). Something the 85 bears had no chance at.
Don't think they will be better then them, the amount of all/pro's HoF'rs on that roster was through the roof on both sides of the ball. Not sure this team has that talent level(yet). I think they could easily be better then the mid 2000's team though. IMO both are very similar w/a super strong def a solid run game and a young qb's doing their best but not quite ready.
I didn't mean better because of head to head quality for each player. I meant they will probably be thought of as greater because of the potential for being a dynasty type of team (multiple SB appearances over 6 - 8 years). Something the 85 bears had no chance at.
I think you could be right. The 1986 and beyond Bears teams did not have the quality of coaching we now have, and they sure as heck did not have the talent that Pace and George bring to the team now. George is the first decent McCaskey since his grandpa was running the team. Ryan Pace is amazing and young with a very bright future ahead of him here. Nagy is going to be special for years to come too.