Can someone tell me why Pace deserves to stay?

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Can someone tell me why Pace deserves to stay? Dec 3, 2017 17:11:28 GMT -6

Post by motm on Dec 3, 2017 17:11:28 GMT -6

With Fox now being the worst HC in Bears history see below, why is it that some here are still making excuses for the guy who hired Fox? Remember that this team isn't just a result of Fox but what Pace gave to him.

Fox now the worst coach in Bears History: ( Thanks malagbears for posting it in another thread )

Now let's start with why Pace hasn't help this franchise.

We went from a 5-11 team with a rank #15 compared to the rest of the league for passing to #31 in just 3 years.

What changed?

Well, we went from

RB: Matt Forte
WR #1: Brandon Marshall
WR #2: Alshon Jeffery
TE: Martellus Bennett

to a

RB: Howard/Cohen
WR #1: Kevin White
WR #2: Cameron Meredith
TE: Zach Miller

For a team that was completing set on offense skill position why did we do a 180 and get rid of all our skilled players? Sure you can make the excuse of negative culture but you know what fixes said culture? Winning...

Besides for the RB positions which in my opinion Paced lucked out on with Howard, he has utterly destroyed the offense. There is simply no offense to the Bears and we see it week after week. Scoring only 7 points on offense proves this. Playcalling is another wtf moment but can you truly blame a guy like Loggains when this is all Pace is willing to give him to work?

2 injury prone players, 1 undrafted player, and 2 late round rbs...

How many teams are going to find any kind of success with that combination?

Speaking of horrible offense moves? Why did Pace go all out on Kevin White when speaking of statistics it was very unlikely for Kevin White to ever become the go to guy Pace dreamed of when drafting him? A WR missing 28 games out of 32 is going to hurt you.

Now going to his Free Agency throughout the years what did we truly get?

Pernell Mcphee - A guy we overpaid for him to become a rotation pass rusher because he can never find a way to stay healthy with a knee that has a good change of snapping every play he makes

Mike Glennon - Why would you even consider picking up a glorified backup QB when you plan on drafting a QB? That money could of been spent helping the team in other positions that being WR or CB. Instead we have an 18 million dollar man sitting on the bench...

Not to mention most of his other signings were either a bunch of prove year deals or out of prime players which could of been better off getting someone younger with a hopes of a brighter future.

Pace needs to be gone with Fox. Blaming Fox as if he's the one who had 100% control of the players he has is wrong and the real blame should go to the GM who has no idea on how to run a franchise and it shows with the record he and Fox have.

12-32 .273 Its time for change. Both Fox and Pace need to go...

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Can someone tell me why Pace deserves to stay? Dec 3, 2017 17:28:26 GMT -6

Post by motm on Dec 3, 2017 17:28:26 GMT -6

Dec 3, 2017 17:25:45 GMT -6 JABF said:

I think most people (me included) want Pace to stay. But he needs to get it right with the next coaching staff.

Yes, but why does he deserve to stay when what he has gave us is a 12-32 .273 record?

At the end of the day, you are what your record is.

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Can someone tell me why Pace deserves to stay? Dec 3, 2017 17:35:18 GMT -6 shark86, MartianBearsFan, and 1 more like this

Post by JABF on Dec 3, 2017 17:35:18 GMT -6

Dec 3, 2017 17:28:26 GMT -6 motm said:

Dec 3, 2017 17:25:45 GMT -6 JABF said:

I think most people (me included) want Pace to stay. But he needs to get it right with the next coaching staff.

Yes, but why does he deserve to stay when what he has gave us is a 12-32 .273 record?

At the end of the day, you are what your record is.

I pin most of the losing on John Fox. I think most people do. I think Pace could surprise us next year. The roster does have MUCH more talent now, and if they hire a good coaching staff, we may be very surprised how quickly it all turns around.

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Can someone tell me why Pace deserves to stay? Dec 3, 2017 17:49:26 GMT -6 hawkeye21 likes this

Post by shark86 on Dec 3, 2017 17:49:26 GMT -6

Pace doesn't make the crappy gameplans. Pace doesn't call the crappy playcalls. Pace doesn't "coach" the players. Pace doesn't make sure the players are taught the entire playbook. Pace doesnt pick the players to step on the field. Pace doesn't manage the games.

That is all on fox. Fox has that all screwed up. A decent head coach wouldn't make all those mistakes. I really believe most of the players we have would play better if they were properly coached. Most, not all. Massie, white, bellamy need to go. Maybe a few more. But every team has a few bad players. Good coaching makes the difference.

Where pace screwed up was hiring fox in the first place, then not firing him last year. I don't know how badly teddy and co. Has paces hands tied, but we need an entirely new coaching staff again.

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Can someone tell me why Pace deserves to stay? Dec 3, 2017 18:33:10 GMT -6

Post by motm on Dec 3, 2017 18:33:10 GMT -6

Dec 3, 2017 17:49:26 GMT -6 shark86 said:

Pace doesn't make the crappy gameplans. Pace doesn't call the crappy playcalls. Pace doesn't "coach" the players. Pace doesn't make sure the players are taught the entire playbook. Pace doesnt pick the players to step on the field. Pace doesn't manage the games.

That is all on fox. Fox has that all screwed up. A decent head coach wouldn't make all those mistakes. I really believe most of the players we have would play better if they were properly coached. Most, not all. Massie, white, bellamy need to go. Maybe a few more. But every team has a few bad players. Good coaching makes the difference.

Where pace screwed up was hiring fox in the first place, then not firing him last year. I don't know how badly teddy and co. Has paces hands tied, but we need an entirely new coaching staff again.

Pace brought in the coaching staff, Pace brought in the players.

When does he get any blame? He has as much blame as Fox for this horrible record.

Fox uses what Pace gives him.

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Can someone tell me why Pace deserves to stay? Dec 3, 2017 19:06:15 GMT -6

Post by shark86 on Dec 3, 2017 19:06:15 GMT -6

Dec 3, 2017 18:33:10 GMT -6 motm said:

Dec 3, 2017 17:49:26 GMT -6 shark86 said:

Pace doesn't make the crappy gameplans. Pace doesn't call the crappy playcalls. Pace doesn't "coach" the players. Pace doesn't make sure the players are taught the entire playbook. Pace doesnt pick the players to step on the field. Pace doesn't manage the games.

That is all on fox. Fox has that all screwed up. A decent head coach wouldn't make all those mistakes. I really believe most of the players we have would play better if they were properly coached. Most, not all. Massie, white, bellamy need to go. Maybe a few more. But every team has a few bad players. Good coaching makes the difference.

Where pace screwed up was hiring fox in the first place, then not firing him last year. I don't know how badly teddy and co. Has paces hands tied, but we need an entirely new coaching staff again.

Pace brought in the coaching staff, Pace brought in the players.

When does he get any blame? He has as much blame as Fox for this horrible record.

Fox uses what Pace gives him.

Fox refuses to start rookies. Look at howard last year. Where is shaheen? Fox can't judge talent. Why was Cohen not taught a 2 minute offense? why are howard and cohen , our 2 most dangerous players, not on the field for a 2minute offense? Fox doesn't use what pace gives him.

I don't hold pace blameless, he needs to do better with FA. But fox is by far the leader of this shit show on the field.

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Can someone tell me why Pace deserves to stay? Dec 3, 2017 20:03:10 GMT -6 motm likes this

Post by mpbears68 on Dec 3, 2017 20:03:10 GMT -6

I’m not yet at the point you are, MOTM, but I get what you are saying. Let’s put Fox aside for now—we all agree he’s terrible and is a goner.

Pace hired Fox. Don’t give some some sob story about how he didn’t have a choice. Pace is the GM. PACE HIRED FOX.

Pace kept Fox this year. Ditto the above. Grow some balls and do what you think is right or you can’t complain you “didn't have a choice”. PACE KEPT FOX.

Pace has utterly destroyed the offense in his 3 years at the helm. He has failed to find remotely adequate replacements for the Emery-era offensive weapons he discarded. He’s only had one clear offensive success so far—Howard. Nice player and nice find in the 5th but before you give Pace too much credit, consider that Arizona drafted David Johnson only 1 round earlier and he’s twice the player Howard is. Jordan is a fine runner but useless as a receiver so he will never be a complete RB. Beyond him, Pace has utterly ****ed up the offensive skill positions.

Pace completely whiffed on 3 of his first 4 draft picks. That set the rebuild back a full year. We aren’t talking “disappointments” here. We are talking flat out BUSTS.

Pace, outside of Hicks and maybe Trevathan, has completely botched free agency. He has been unable to do in FA what it’s supposed to do—plug holes. Instead he had signed mostly injured and garbage players who’ve quickly been exposed as not worth even their “bargain” values.

Now, I am still willing to give him some more time but my patience is wearing thin. Let’s not forget the above.

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Can someone tell me why Pace deserves to stay? Dec 3, 2017 23:02:11 GMT -6

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Dec 3, 2017 20:03:10 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

I’m not yet at the point you are, MOTM, but I get what you are saying. Let’s put Fox aside for now—we all agree he’s terrible and is a goner.

Pace hired Fox. Don’t give some some sob story about how he didn’t have a choice. Pace is the GM. PACE HIRED FOX.

Pace kept Fox this year. Ditto the above. Grow some balls and do what you think is right or you can’t complain you “didn't have a choice”. PACE KEPT FOX.

Pace has utterly destroyed the offense in his 3 years at the helm. He has failed to find remotely adequate replacements for the Emery-era offensive weapons he discarded. He’s only had one clear offensive success so far—Howard. Nice player and nice find in the 5th but before you give Pace too much credit, consider that Arizona drafted David Johnson only 1 round earlier and he’s twice the player Howard is. Jordan is a fine runner but useless as a receiver so he will never be a complete RB. Beyond him, Pace has utterly ****ed up the offensive skill positions.

Pace completely whiffed on 3 of his first 4 draft picks. That set the rebuild back a full year. We aren’t talking “disappointments” here. We are talking flat out BUSTS.

Pace, outside of Hicks and maybe Trevathan, has completely botched free agency. He has been unable to do in FA what it’s supposed to do—plug holes. Instead he had signed mostly injured and garbage players who’ve quickly been exposed as not worth even their “bargain” values.

Now, I am still willing to give him some more time but my patience is wearing thin. Let’s not forget the above.

Here is the deal as far as I am concerned with Pace. we KNOW Fox is a problem. Pace has done good and he has done wrong. You get rid of the known problem and then see if it fixes the ship. If not, you did not get all of the cancer.

Make no mistake about it. The fan honeymoon with Pace is over. I am behind him in picking a new coach and getting another year from the draft and watching if he makes corrections in his FA strategy. People are not just all-accepting of Pace at this point. Fans are watching him and he does not have as long a rope from fans as he does from ownership. There already wood ans saplings under his chair. It won;t take much to light the fire and have his seat very hot very quickly. If he doesn't know this, he needs to open his eyes.

The thing is that I don't know how much he was influenced or not and I do know that he has drafted well (while doing other things very badly). But very soon, it won;t matter how much he was or is influenced. There had better be results this coming year. Pace is not stupid. I think he knows it. And I think he cares. For me, it is too early to can him, but definitely not too early to ask some hard questions and shorten the leash.

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