Glennon has to go & he can take Fox with him

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Glennon has to go & he can take Fox with him Sept 17, 2017 20:29:33 GMT -6 bsbears likes this

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Sept 17, 2017 19:58:07 GMT -6 bsbears said:

Sept 17, 2017 19:19:00 GMT -6 JABF said:

All of this is on Ryan Pace. 3 years of GM work. 9 wins. Tell me how this is any better than Jerry Angelo. Angelo needed to go. No question. But honestly, so far Pace hasn't shown he's even half the GM Jerry was.

I still have a hard time blaming Pace, somebody in Chat was saying that too. This team was in bad shape and Pace is building this thru the draft for the long term. FA is a short term fix and he has resisted the temptation to spend the big money. It would be different if we were only a player away but you can only fill so many holes a year. Meredith going down definitely hurt, hopefully Pace is not the one holding back Trubisky and it is all on Fox. I stated before this was going to be like the Orton years all over again, stack the box and make him beat you, only problem is Orton was better than Glennon but still could not throw an accurate deep ball.

Back to Pace, I like his picks for the most part. In hindsight you can question White and all his injuries but coming out of school he was a legitimate draft choice, injuries have kept him from achieving his projections and likely will be gone after this year as he can not stay healthy.

Well said bsb. All of it. Actually Pace has supplied some talent. Some of it has provided a small lift, some of it a huge lift, and some have utterly failed. It's not all that much different elsewhere and I can see that easier than some sitting where I do. The media here is on Elway over his QB problem so what was his response?

Typical Elway. He said "whatta ya' want me to do QBs don't grow on trees". Maybe that's a bit hard headed and arrogant but then Elway is hard headed and arrogant but also right more then he's wrong.

Glennon is not an upgrade over Cutler but then if we didn't know that we're stupid. Trubisky may be but we won't know that for awhile and not at all 'til he starts playing, making mistakes, and learns from them just as every other QB has had to do. But even with Trubisky at QB the problem is still gonna be that he's playing under John Fox in John Fox offensive scheme and as much as anything that's what need to change.

Here, this is quote from another article on the game.

"The lack of any threat in the passing game has allowed defenses -- especially talented ones like the Buccaneers -- to focus on stopping the run. Week 2's meltdown made this point especially obvious."

The Bears had a good passing game when John Fox arrived so what happened? It's been dismantled to accommodate a HC who still thinks he can win with a great defense, a great running game, and a dink and dunk passer who doesn't turn the ball over. The problem with that is two fold; 1) Every QB has his bad days and turns the ball over, even Rodgers and Brady, and 2) How many games can you win in the NFL these days with a 16-17 point per game offense?

Not many and we saw why today. The Bucs smartly bottled up the run game forcing Glennon to beat them through the air. How often has we seen that before? In the words of Yogi Berra "It was like deja vu all over again". They did it with Cutler too but at least when we had him and some good WRs like BM and AJ we stood a chance of pulling it off. With Glennon we have NO chance and we all saw that today.

So I'm not gonna hold Pace accountable just yet for his player personnel because he's had some winners and some losers all while trying to accommodate the desires of a washed up old school HC we should never have hired to begin with. But, what I will hold him accountable for is not firing said HC and moving on from here as quickly as possible. I'm not picking a date but IMHO it needs to be soon and the sooner the better. He needs to get his next coaching hire right.

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Glennon has to go & he can take Fox with him Sept 17, 2017 23:00:28 GMT -6

Post by AlexM on Sept 17, 2017 23:00:28 GMT -6

Sept 17, 2017 18:58:52 GMT -6 @soulman said:

Sept 17, 2017 17:06:42 GMT -6 JABF said:

The torches and pitchforks are out. I don't think throwing the mob Glennon is gonna completely calm everyone down. Fans are tired of watching a butt-ugly Chicago Bears team over the years. I think Ryan Pace is going to be feeling a bit of a hot seat now. At least it's gonna warm up a bit. We can argue if we agree or disagree with that, but Bears fans are getting mighty tired of the clown show.

While in LA today Miami played the Chargers.

Passing
Miami Comp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Sack YdsL QBRat FL
Cutler...24... 33 72.7 230 7.0 1...0......2......5....101.8. 0

So is it OK yet to say Pace got rid of the wrong problem this spring. Cutler lost his job but Fox kept his.

I do realize that it's just one game and that the Chargers aren't New England but after not even being there for OTAs, Camp, or the Preseason and working with a new team and a new bunch of receivers this was the game Cutler had his first time out.

Then I want to hear again all of the logic that went into why after Fox created his own QB problems last year it was incumbent on Pace to release Cutler instead of firing Fox. By now trading off Cutler for Glennon AND paying him even more than Cutler would have made is beginning to throw a huge shadow on even the drafting of Trubisky.

I can't help but thinking how much better off our QB position would look right now with Cutler still here and Trubisky as his understudy. And what about Butt Fumble? How exactly has his sideline pseudo QB coaching skills helped Mike Glennon get off to a great start? Anyone else but me beginning to think this plan of Pace's and Fox's has gone a bit awry.

Hell I threw Fox under my bus long ago and I'm sure I can find some room for Glennon as well.........and if we back it up just a might in another week or two I might even be able to slide Ryan Pace in just in front of the back tires.

Soul, why are you still on Cutler? Hes not with the team anymore, cant you let him go?

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Glennon has to go & he can take Fox with him Sept 18, 2017 0:28:53 GMT -6

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Sept 17, 2017 23:00:28 GMT -6 AlexM said:

Sept 17, 2017 18:58:52 GMT -6 @soulman said:

While in LA today Miami played the Chargers.

Passing
Miami Comp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Sack YdsL QBRat FL
Cutler...24... 33 72.7 230 7.0 1...0......2......5....101.8. 0

So is it OK yet to say Pace got rid of the wrong problem this spring. Cutler lost his job but Fox kept his.

I do realize that it's just one game and that the Chargers aren't New England but after not even being there for OTAs, Camp, or the Preseason and working with a new team and a new bunch of receivers this was the game Cutler had his first time out.

Then I want to hear again all of the logic that went into why after Fox created his own QB problems last year it was incumbent on Pace to release Cutler instead of firing Fox. By now trading off Cutler for Glennon AND paying him even more than Cutler would have made is beginning to throw a huge shadow on even the drafting of Trubisky.

I can't help but thinking how much better off our QB position would look right now with Cutler still here and Trubisky as his understudy. And what about Butt Fumble? How exactly has his sideline pseudo QB coaching skills helped Mike Glennon get off to a great start? Anyone else but me beginning to think this plan of Pace's and Fox's has gone a bit awry.

Hell I threw Fox under my bus long ago and I'm sure I can find some room for Glennon as well.........and if we back it up just a might in another week or two I might even be able to slide Ryan Pace in just in front of the back tires.

Soul, why are you still on Cutler? Hes not with the team anymore, cant you let him go?

Well to be honest Dave actually brought it up in another post where I responded much like this too. I think I'm entitled to make a brief point about how this all seemed to come about and where it's taken us to. I've connected it with other thoughts on the state of the team in general of which this is only a small part. Cutler wouldn't make us a winner either.

I'm not pining for him Alex. This was certainly no plea to bring him back and I fully understand why it went the way it did. I pretty much called that out way back in January. It was Fox or Cutler and when Fox was retained I knew Cutler would not be. But that just made it what it was and not necessarily the correct move. That seem unarguable now.

For his own sake I'm glad he left AND I'm glad he was able to hitch up with Gase again. That made as much sense to me as I'm sure it did for him. It's not my intention to resurrect a debate about it but I can't very well keep pointing out in how many ways John Fox has been toxic for this team and ignore that because it's a biggie.

Don't you think Fox's continued insistence in not playing his best players at times is a bit odd too? All coaches seem to have their favorites and we all know Lovie did too but I have yet to see this team so hurt by it's HC's poor personnel decisions as I've seen with the Bears under Fox. Whether it's him alone or whether Pace has some impact on this as well I can't really say. Typically a coaches contract gives him most of the power over the 53 man roster, the game day roster, and the depth chart so I have to think it's mostly Fox calling the shots there.

I just think some decisions have boarded in being so inept that it's tough for me to understand what kind of logic is behind them. It's almost as if Fox intends to lose games as long as he loses his own way. Personally I think the guy is an arrogant old fool the game has long since passed by but he won't admit it and becomes even more defensive when challenged about those very same things. I can't find much sense in it or his worthless defense of it or his explanations and I'm not alone in that either.

I just think it's a little bizarre for players to continually be given starting roles they haven't earned via their play and if others don't well that's OK with me Alex. I don't need the affirmation to feel I'm correct. Most of the time the numbers show that I am.

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Glennon has to go & he can take Fox with him Sept 18, 2017 1:30:13 GMT -6

Post by blueshoes on Sept 18, 2017 1:30:13 GMT -6

Glennon plays QB like a fkn robot . How else do you explain him throwing to a TE who was triple covered (and didn't even have his head turned to look for the ball ? ) . Theres pick # 1 . Pick #2 happened on an out route where the LB was ALREADY running to undercut the route and he threw it ANYWAY , resulting in a pick 6 . How else do you explain his inability to do ANYTHING with the ball when his primary is covered - cuz that's what happened on the sack / fumble . "Oh my primary is covered , what should I do " ? I know ... I'll just freeze right here and wait for the sack ( happened last week too ) .

The guy PREDETERMINES where he's gonna throw the ball before practically every play . Show me 1 play where he has ever gone to his 3rd read , and I'll eat your hat . He sucks - it's like watching Jonathan Quinn all over again . There's alot of guys who were decent in college but that's as high as they'll ever go - and Glennon's one of them . The Bears were desperate , and they went out and grabbed someone they thought 'might' be decent , a game manager ... he's not even that . Why ? cuz he can't read a defense to save his life . It's 3rd and 9 , hey let's throw a 5yd out . It's Check- Down- Take- The- Easy- 1st Read- Throw- Every- Time Glennon . This is gonna be the longest year we all have to suffer through yet .

As for the rest of the team , well , it was more of the same $hit we've seen around here for the last umpteen years . Everybodys getting hurt , guys commit stupid penalties all game long ( the refs call every little thing they see the Bears do wrong , but the other team does the same exact thing and it's ignored ), there's no in-game adjustments going on , we say we're a "running team" but we abandon the run every game , the D doesn't stop the opponent on 3rd and long most of the time , our WR's drop half of everything that's thrown to them , somebody commits a bone head play on ST's or we give up a long return twice a game , and we get sacked on 3rd down any time we're in an important situation ... etc etc etc etc .

Something snapped inside me today . I was more pizzed by halftime today then I've been in years , and it stayed with me all day and night ( I'm usually ok an hour after the game is over , but not today ) . I guess it's the Cumulative Effect of what we've been watching for way too long cuz really that's the only way I can explain it ( it's after midnight as I type this and I'm still pizzed ) . Sunday SUCKS now - I wouldn't even go to a home game if someone offered me free tickets ( and I've never been in the new stadium ... THAT's how disgusted I am ) . I could go on , but I won't cuz it ain't worth it .

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Glennon has to go & he can take Fox with him Sept 18, 2017 5:44:51 GMT -6

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Sept 17, 2017 19:58:07 GMT -6 bsbears said:

Sept 17, 2017 19:19:00 GMT -6 JABF said:

All of this is on Ryan Pace. 3 years of GM work. 9 wins. Tell me how this is any better than Jerry Angelo. Angelo needed to go. No question. But honestly, so far Pace hasn't shown he's even half the GM Jerry was.

I still have a hard time blaming Pace, somebody in Chat was saying that too. This team was in bad shape and Pace is building this thru the draft for the long term. FA is a short term fix and he has resisted the temptation to spend the big money. It would be different if we were only a player away but you can only fill so many holes a year. Meredith going down definitely hurt, hopefully Pace is not the one holding back Trubisky and it is all on Fox. I stated before this was going to be like the Orton years all over again, stack the box and make him beat you, only problem is Orton was better than Glennon but still could not throw an accurate deep ball.

Back to Pace, I like his picks for the most part. In hindsight you can question White and all his injuries but coming out of school he was a legitimate draft choice, injuries have kept him from achieving his projections and likely will be gone after this year as he can not stay healthy.

This is Ryan Paces team in its 3rd season. These are his players. This is his coaching staff. This is the work-product of 3 Ryan Pace drafts. This is the work product of 3 free agencies. This is what we have after 3 years. 9 wins. We can (and will) always make excuses for being losers here in Chicago with the Bears. It's what we do. But 9 wins is the record here now. Some may say losing is okay because ______________ (just fill in the blank with your favorite excuses).

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Glennon has to go & he can take Fox with him Sept 18, 2017 11:37:40 GMT -6 blueshoes and Whisky Beer Bob like this

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Sept 18, 2017 1:30:13 GMT -6 blueshoes said:

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Something snapped inside me today . I was more pizzed by halftime today then I've been in years , and it stayed with me all day and night ( I'm usually ok an hour after the game is over , but not today ) . I guess it's the Cumulative Effect of what we've been watching for way too long cuz really that's the only way I can explain it ( it's after midnight as I type this and I'm still pizzed ) . Sunday SUCKS now - I wouldn't even go to a home game if someone offered me free tickets ( and I've never been in the new stadium ... THAT's how disgusted I am ) . I could go on , but I won't cuz it ain't worth it .

I was like that last year. even last week. I'm past it now. I'll continue to watch but with no expectations other than a good laugh. It's like watching the Keystone Kops.

Here's a clip for you youngsters...

See any similarities?

I sure do.

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Glennon has to go & he can take Fox with him Sept 18, 2017 11:42:54 GMT -6

Post by shark86 on Sept 18, 2017 11:42:54 GMT -6

Sept 18, 2017 5:44:51 GMT -6 JABF said:

Sept 17, 2017 19:58:07 GMT -6 bsbears said:

I still have a hard time blaming Pace, somebody in Chat was saying that too. This team was in bad shape and Pace is building this thru the draft for the long term. FA is a short term fix and he has resisted the temptation to spend the big money. It would be different if we were only a player away but you can only fill so many holes a year. Meredith going down definitely hurt, hopefully Pace is not the one holding back Trubisky and it is all on Fox. I stated before this was going to be like the Orton years all over again, stack the box and make him beat you, only problem is Orton was better than Glennon but still could not throw an accurate deep ball.

Back to Pace, I like his picks for the most part. In hindsight you can question White and all his injuries but coming out of school he was a legitimate draft choice, injuries have kept him from achieving his projections and likely will be gone after this year as he can not stay healthy.

This is Ryan Paces team in its 3rd season. These are his players. This is his coaching staff. This is the work-product of 3 Ryan Pace drafts. This is the work product of 3 free agencies. This is what we have after 3 years. 9 wins. We can (and will) always make excuses for being losers here in Chicago with the Bears. It's what we do. But 9 wins is the record here now. Some may say losing is okay because ______________ (just fill in the blank with your favorite excuses).

We always thought it was more like 4-5 years on the rebuild. And I don't pay too much attention to that first draft since Pace had just gotten here and it was still Emery's crew. But if Pace doesn't fire Fox PDQ and promote Fangio - and I mean within the week - I'm putting his feet a lot closer to the fire. My patience is wearing thin too.

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