Here are two takes on the Caleb Williams situation. Will Caleb end up being just another Chicago Bears' bust at QB, or can Ryan Poles change the Chicago QB nightmare here? Stay tuned.
LINK The Bears sped past the humility stage, pressed the accelerator and reached crisis in no time flat on their way to who knows where. As they prepare to play host to the Green Bay Packers on Sunday afternoon at Soldier Field, it’s obvious the only way to hit a net in their free fall is to get a victory.
But in a 10-week start to the season — and specifically this current three-game stretch — the franchise’s serial mismanagement of the quarterback has never been more glaring. That’s saying something for an organization that, almost every time it reached an intersection, has made a wrong turn when it comes to the position decade after decade.
I'm not a Jon Gruden fan at all, but he's not wrong here:
LINK Former Las Vegas Raiders head coach Jon Gruden told the Pardon My Take podcast how he would reverse the alarming slump.
"It's getting late to do that. We're at the ten-week point of the season," he said.
Gruden believes Williams has all the tools to be successful but is being let down by his supporting cast on a team lacking identity. We gotta make this guy a great player, he is gonna be a great player unless we screw this up.'"
Post by The Marshall Plan on Nov 16, 2024 12:08:26 GMT -6
Caleb Williams has shown, a few times now, that he can be an above average NFL QB. He hasn't shown me enough that he can be elite (Top 5). He can read defenses better, and extend plays better, than either Mitch or Justin.
His rookie season is crashing and burning because:
1) The OL is a total disaster. We have one guy on the line, Wright, and the other four are pitiful.
2) Waldron's offense does not work. The formations telegraph everything we're going to do.
3) We do not utilize Kmet enough. TE is the safety blanket for a QB; especially a rookie one. Kmet needs to be getting a half dozen receptions per game.
4) We do not have a running game. Swift is feast or famine. We do not have a guy who grinds out 3 to 4 yards per carry that can be relied upon to convert 3rd and short.
5) Eberflus is a loser. He is not a leader in the locker room and now apparently we have culture problems. He also does not have any experience in developing a QB.
I think Caleb, medium term, is going to be fine. It is plainly obvious the OL and HC need to be fixed. We have all the resources in the world to fix the OL.
The big question is will Poles fire his buddy Eberflus and bring in somebody that can be a leader and develop Caleb.
This is an excellent, but long in-depth article in "The Washington Post" this morning. It's behind a paywall so I can't post it here. But here is a very brief synopsis of their view. I like how they framed it, "Williams was built to be a star. He never anticipated failure, but in the NFL, adversity always finds a way to rattle confidence. For Williams, stardom is no longer a singular pursuit. As he develops resilience, he needs the Bears to finally get a clue."
I do like their conclusion, that last blurb in this quote:
LINK Have the Bears already ruined Caleb Williams? Chicago quarterback Caleb Williams was the No. 1 overall pick in this year’s NFL draft and a can’t-miss prospect. Why has he been so bad?
... as Williams struggles through his rookie NFL season and contributes to the downfall of a Chicago Bears team in danger of collapsing and scuffling into another rebuild, he must cope with failure for the first time.
... I’m talking real failure, far worse than the humility he experienced a year ago during his junior season at Southern California.
... Williams’s head is spinning, of course. Formerly a polished public figure, he now stammers through explanations of the Bears’ woeful offensive performances.
... There’s already a growing sense that the Bears, who have an awful recent history of developing quarterbacks, are about to ruin another promising talent.
... Williams’s struggles aren’t as concerning as the environment in which he is struggling. The Bears are still trying to break free from decades of mismanagement and futile quarterback development.
... They need what their division rivals have. Dan Campbell is coaching a championship-caliber team in Detroit. Kevin O’Connell is to be special in Minnesota. Matt LaFleur is a perfect fit in Green Bay. They are head coaches who enhance the synergy of their organizations, lead with clear but flexible philosophies, and, most importantly, create quarterback-friendly environments. They’re all different about how they support the QB, and their signal callers have vastly different talent levels. But they’re getting good play out of the game’s most important — and challenging — position.
... bring in somebody that can be a leader and develop Caleb.
That is the bottom-line. ^^^
The Bears have fired a small army of GM's and HC's over the past few decades. That's easy. But they have been totally inept hiring a good head coach. And the jury is still out on Poles being the long term GM guy (he could be, or he could be a bust too).
Caleb Williams is a very special talent and maybe the best QB the Bears have drafted since Sid Luckman in the 1939 draft that happened 85 years ago... 85 drafts ago. I have the feeling the franchise is capable of blowing this priceless opportunity. They finally having a great young QB to develop. But the Bears need a head coach and OC who can truly develop a quarterback and build a powerful offense here in Chicago. And they horribly whiffed on putting a solid offensive line in front of Caleb too... not only for his pass protection so he CAN develop, but also to provide a solid run game that can also help in a young QB's development.
It is crazy difficult getting an elite franchise quarterback in the NFL. We've had one drop in our lap here. A "once-in-85-years" thing here in Chicago. Is Ryan Poles up to the task? We will see. It will cost real money to get a top HC here. Yes, even the best rookie, HC's are going to cost $$$ to get then to take this job with the McCaskey's track record of franchise woes and failures. And they'll need to out-bid other franchises (a number of them) who will do most anything to get one of the top coaching candidates.
I do feel bad for Matt Eberflus because he does seem like a good defensive coordinator and a good guy. I don't like to see anyone lose their job. But he doesn't seem a good fit... maybe he would be a lot better off personally in a job that is a better fit for him. He may be a whole lot happier and less-stressed as a DC. I wish him well.
... bring in somebody that can be a leader and develop Caleb.
That is the bottom-line. ^^^
The Bears have fired a small army of GM's and HC's over the past few decades. That's easy. But they have been totally inept hiring a good head coach. And the jury is still out on Poles being the long term GM guy (he could be, or he could be a bust too).
Caleb Williams is a very special talent and maybe the best QB the Bears have drafted since Sid Luckman in the 1939 draft that happened 85 years ago... 85 drafts ago. I have the feeling the franchise is capable of blowing this priceless opportunity. They finally having a great young QB to develop. But the Bears need a head coach and OC who can truly develop a quarterback and build a powerful offense here in Chicago. And they horribly whiffed on putting a solid offensive line in front of Caleb too... not only for his pass protection so he CAN develop, but also to provide a solid run game that can also help in a young QB's development.
It is crazy difficult getting an elite franchise quarterback in the NFL. We've had one drop in our lap here. A "once-in-85-years" thing here in Chicago. Is Ryan Poles up to the task? We will see. It will cost real money to get a top HC here. Yes, even the best rookie, HC's are going to cost $$$ to get then to take this job with the McCaskey's track record of franchise woes and failures. And they'll need to out-bid other franchises (a number of them) who will do most anything to get one of the top coaching candidates.
I do feel bad for Matt Eberflus because he does seem like a good defensive coordinator and a good guy. I don't like to see anyone lose their job. But he doesn't seem a good fit... maybe he would be a lot better off personally in a job that is a better fit for him. He may be a whole lot happier and less-stressed as a DC. I wish him well.
As it relates to Poles with Eberflus....
When Poles took this team over he knew that he was going to tear this team down to the studs and rebuild from nothing. He didn't even have a first round pick because of the trade up for Fields the year prior by Ryan Pace.
So Poles has to hire a head coach. What serious HC candidate would take a job in this circumstances? Knowing that there's a high probability of them having a substantial losing record for two seasons in a row.
That is part of the reason why Eberflus landed here. He didn't care about what the W-L record would be because he would finally be making that head coach money.
Enter Year 3: Eberflus now has 2 years of HC experience and a loaded roster, yes the OL is bad, but otherwise the roster is great. We're still losing and it's been shown that he cannot coach his way out of a wet paper bag.
Even with a good roster we can't win games and this is a good part of the reason why Eberflus needs to go.
The Bears have fired a small army of GM's and HC's over the past few decades. That's easy. But they have been totally inept hiring a good head coach. And the jury is still out on Poles being the long term GM guy (he could be, or he could be a bust too).
Caleb Williams is a very special talent and maybe the best QB the Bears have drafted since Sid Luckman in the 1939 draft that happened 85 years ago... 85 drafts ago. I have the feeling the franchise is capable of blowing this priceless opportunity. They finally having a great young QB to develop. But the Bears need a head coach and OC who can truly develop a quarterback and build a powerful offense here in Chicago. And they horribly whiffed on putting a solid offensive line in front of Caleb too... not only for his pass protection so he CAN develop, but also to provide a solid run game that can also help in a young QB's development.
It is crazy difficult getting an elite franchise quarterback in the NFL. We've had one drop in our lap here. A "once-in-85-years" thing here in Chicago. Is Ryan Poles up to the task? We will see. It will cost real money to get a top HC here. Yes, even the best rookie, HC's are going to cost $$$ to get then to take this job with the McCaskey's track record of franchise woes and failures. And they'll need to out-bid other franchises (a number of them) who will do most anything to get one of the top coaching candidates.
I do feel bad for Matt Eberflus because he does seem like a good defensive coordinator and a good guy. I don't like to see anyone lose their job. But he doesn't seem a good fit... maybe he would be a lot better off personally in a job that is a better fit for him. He may be a whole lot happier and less-stressed as a DC. I wish him well.
As it relates to Poles with Eberflus....
When Poles took this team over he knew that he was going to tear this team down to the studs and rebuild from nothing. He didn't even have a first round pick because of the trade up for Fields the year prior by Ryan Pace.
So Poles has to hire a head coach. What serious HC candidate would take a job in this circumstances? Knowing that there's a high probability of them having a substantial losing record for two seasons in a row.
That is part of the reason why Eberflus landed here. He didn't care about what the W-L record would be because he would finally be making that head coach money.
Enter Year 3: Eberflus now has 2 years of HC experience and a loaded roster, yes the OL is bad, but otherwise the roster is great. We're still losing and it's been shown that he cannot coach his way out of a wet paper bag.
Even with a good roster we can't win games and this is a good part of the reason why Eberflus needs to go.
I agree with you on the circumstances of how Flus got here. But the other finalist was Dan Quinn, an experienced HC who had already taken a team to the SB. Poles chose Flus instead and (apparently) he got a 5 year contract. WHY? Seems like that was unnecessary knowing it was a full rebuild and Flus was just a little-know DC at the time with no prior HC experience.
As far as year 3, my feelings are well known that it should never have happened given the CW draft pick you knew you were making. But now that it has, I would add that Flus is on his 3rd OC in 2.5 seasons and his first one has already been fired twice.
Geez, Poles sure put a lot of faith in the Waldron hiring and it came back to bite him the ass. It was absolutely ESSENTIAL to nail that OC hire last winter if you were gonna stick with Flus and end entrust CW to him. Instead it was an epic fail.
When Poles took this team over he knew that he was going to tear this team down to the studs and rebuild from nothing. He didn't even have a first round pick because of the trade up for Fields the year prior by Ryan Pace.
So Poles has to hire a head coach. What serious HC candidate would take a job in this circumstances? Knowing that there's a high probability of them having a substantial losing record for two seasons in a row.
That is part of the reason why Eberflus landed here. He didn't care about what the W-L record would be because he would finally be making that head coach money.
Enter Year 3: Eberflus now has 2 years of HC experience and a loaded roster, yes the OL is bad, but otherwise the roster is great. We're still losing and it's been shown that he cannot coach his way out of a wet paper bag.
Even with a good roster we can't win games and this is a good part of the reason why Eberflus needs to go.
I agree with you on the circumstances of how Flus got here. But the other finalist was Dan Quinn, an experienced HC who had already taken a team to the SB. Poles chose Flus instead and (apparently) he got a 5 year contract. WHY? Seems like that was unnecessary knowing it was a full rebuild and Flus was just a little-know DC at the time with no prior HC experience.
As far as year 3, my feelings are well known that it should never have happened given the CW draft pick you knew you were making. But now that it has, I would add that Flus is on his 3rd OC in 2.5 seasons and his first one has already been fired twice.
Geez, Poles sure put a lot of faith in the Waldron hiring and it came back to bite him the ass. It was absolutely ESSENTIAL to nail that OC hire last winter if you were gonna stick with Flus and end entrust CW to him. Instead it was an epic fail.
Its funny. McVay only has good things to say about Waldron even now. I don't get it.
I agree with you on the circumstances of how Flus got here. But the other finalist was Dan Quinn, an experienced HC who had already taken a team to the SB. Poles chose Flus instead and (apparently) he got a 5 year contract. WHY? Seems like that was unnecessary knowing it was a full rebuild and Flus was just a little-know DC at the time with no prior HC experience.
As far as year 3, my feelings are well known that it should never have happened given the CW draft pick you knew you were making. But now that it has, I would add that Flus is on his 3rd OC in 2.5 seasons and his first one has already been fired twice.
Geez, Poles sure put a lot of faith in the Waldron hiring and it came back to bite him the ass. It was absolutely ESSENTIAL to nail that OC hire last winter if you were gonna stick with Flus and end entrust CW to him. Instead it was an epic fail.
Its funny. McVay only has good things to say about Waldron even now. I don't get it.
I don't get it either.
But we can't deny reality. When the season first got going the CHGO guys were panning his press appearances in strong terms. I put little stock in that initially as I figured it was just media guys complaining they weren't getting enough juicy content. Since then we have heard a litany of complaints from players about his lack of authoritative command. We also saw him repeatedly misusing personnel and having weird personnel packages that clearly were not working. His goofball play calling, especially in the red zone, has been obvious to everyone. And to top it off, he hasn't been able to get CW going that way Kingsbury has with Daniels.
As I have said here a bunch of times before, it has looked as though Waldron just met his players last week and had no idea how to use them most effectively, despite having plenty of film from last year (Moore, Kmet, Herbert).
The guy simply sucked at his job. I have no idea WHY, but he really did suck.
When Poles took this team over he knew that he was going to tear this team down to the studs and rebuild from nothing. He didn't even have a first round pick because of the trade up for Fields the year prior by Ryan Pace.
So Poles has to hire a head coach. What serious HC candidate would take a job in this circumstances? Knowing that there's a high probability of them having a substantial losing record for two seasons in a row.
That is part of the reason why Eberflus landed here. He didn't care about what the W-L record would be because he would finally be making that head coach money.
Enter Year 3: Eberflus now has 2 years of HC experience and a loaded roster, yes the OL is bad, but otherwise the roster is great. We're still losing and it's been shown that he cannot coach his way out of a wet paper bag.
Even with a good roster we can't win games and this is a good part of the reason why Eberflus needs to go.
I agree with you on the circumstances of how Flus got here. But the other finalist was Dan Quinn, an experienced HC who had already taken a team to the SB. Poles chose Flus instead and (apparently) he got a 5 year contract. WHY? Seems like that was unnecessary knowing it was a full rebuild and Flus was just a little-know DC at the time with no prior HC experience.
As far as year 3, my feelings are well known that it should never have happened given the CW draft pick you knew you were making. But now that it has, I would add that Flus is on his 3rd OC in 2.5 seasons and his first one has already been fired twice.
Geez, Poles sure put a lot of faith in the Waldron hiring and it came back to bite him the ass. It was absolutely ESSENTIAL to nail that OC hire last winter if you were gonna stick with Flus and end entrust CW to him. Instead it was an epic fail.
I completely agree that between Year 2 and Year 3 was the time to fire Eberflus and bring in somebody like Harbaugh, Flores, Taub, etc.
Being overly loyal to Eberflus is on Ryan Poles. That is his mistake. Now granted, we don't know what happens behind the curtain. Did the McCaskeys kill the notion of firing Eberflus given that they'd be paying him for three years? IDK. Bears HCs have been fired before their deals were up all the time so I don't think that's likely.
I agree with you on the circumstances of how Flus got here. But the other finalist was Dan Quinn, an experienced HC who had already taken a team to the SB. Poles chose Flus instead and (apparently) he got a 5 year contract. WHY? Seems like that was unnecessary knowing it was a full rebuild and Flus was just a little-know DC at the time with no prior HC experience.
As far as year 3, my feelings are well known that it should never have happened given the CW draft pick you knew you were making. But now that it has, I would add that Flus is on his 3rd OC in 2.5 seasons and his first one has already been fired twice.
Geez, Poles sure put a lot of faith in the Waldron hiring and it came back to bite him the ass. It was absolutely ESSENTIAL to nail that OC hire last winter if you were gonna stick with Flus and end entrust CW to him. Instead it was an epic fail.
I completely agree that between Year 2 and Year 3 was the time to fire Eberflus and bring in somebody like Harbaugh, Flores, Taub, etc.
Being overly loyal to Eberflus is on Ryan Poles. That is his mistake. Now granted, we don't know what happens behind the curtain. Did the McCaskeys kill the notion of firing Eberflus given that they'd be paying him for three years? IDK. Bears HCs have been fired before their deals were up all the time so I don't think that's likely.
Based on the fans and the press, the majority view (in my opinion) was to fire Flus. The issue that does not get enough play is whether or not Waren or Poles could fire him. Suffering what we have suffered through is on ownership. I personally believe the McCaskeys are the reason why Flus is still here. There is too much history repeating itself even though the cast of characters under them keep changing.