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Why Are We Even Talking About Fangio Leaving And Not Fox?... Dec 12, 2016 9:38:49 GMT -6 riczaj01, JABF, and 1 more like this

Post by butkus3595 on Dec 12, 2016 9:38:49 GMT -6

Dec 12, 2016 7:41:15 GMT -6 germansbombedph said:

Other Teams have injuries too... it's still excuses. It is a Problem but hiding behind the injuries is just that, excuses. Winners overcome.

Winners overcome? No...teams with higher overall talent overcome. It's simply not logical to expect a team with limited talent to begin with to overcome a loss of some of it's most key talent, when the talent backing up those key players in some instances were sitting on their couch to begin the season. Again, there are two teams who have been hit by injury as bad we have...the Packers and the Vikings, and they have been impacted by the loss of talent going from Super Bowl contenders to potentially out of the play offs. They have more wins because their overall talent is still higher than ours. Injuries are not an excuse is simply machismo bullshit, and if you look at it...it's a correct statement because they are not excuses...they are reasons.

I mean let's apply that line of thinking further...player blows out his acl in the middle of a play..."should have finished the play...after all, injuries aren't an excuse now are they"?! LOL...I mean what kind of sense does that make? None.

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Why Are We Even Talking About Fangio Leaving And Not Fox?... Dec 12, 2016 9:51:53 GMT -6

Post by GrizzlyBear on Dec 12, 2016 9:51:53 GMT -6

Dec 12, 2016 7:38:11 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

Now, as I have said REPEATEDLY...I am aware of Fox's shortcomings as a coach, but I am also aware of his strengths. Good organizations don't run out coaches after two years. Look at any of the poorly run organizations in this league and you'll see teams that cycle through coaches. Fox was tasked with over seeing a rebuild...why are we acting like it isn't one all of a sudden?

And do you know why they don't fire them after two years? Because all these coaches were able to turn things around in the first or second year. Fox was supposed to do the same with the Bears. Hell, he did it with Carolina and Jake Delhomme.

- Bill Belichick: 1st year 5-11, 2nd year 11-5 & Super Bowl Champs. Yeah, but he had Brady. Okay, let's look at other successful franchises.

- Mike Tomlin: 1st 10-6, 2nd 12-4 & Super Bowl Champs.

- Mike McCarthy: 1st 8-8, 2nd 13-3.

- Tom Coughlin: 1st 6-10, 2nd 11-5. (FYI Coughlin with the friggin Jags: 1st 4-12, 2nd 9-7.)

- John Harbaugh: 1st 11-5, 2nd 9-7.

- Sean Payton: 1st 10-6, 2nd 7-9.

Fox inherited a mess but Pace gave him plenty of weapons to work with. It's amazing how many of you are still defending someone who's done so little. It's like the "Let's give Shea another chance, he's really not that bad you know" story all over again. *smh*

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Why Are We Even Talking About Fangio Leaving And Not Fox?... Dec 12, 2016 10:03:06 GMT -6 riczaj01 and JABF like this

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Dec 12, 2016 9:51:53 GMT -6 GrizzlyBear said:

Dec 12, 2016 7:38:11 GMT -6 butkus3595 said:

Now, as I have said REPEATEDLY...I am aware of Fox's shortcomings as a coach, but I am also aware of his strengths. Good organizations don't run out coaches after two years. Look at any of the poorly run organizations in this league and you'll see teams that cycle through coaches. Fox was tasked with over seeing a rebuild...why are we acting like it isn't one all of a sudden?

And do you know why they don't fire them after two years? Because all these coaches were able to turn things around in the first or second year. Fox was supposed to do the same with the Bears. Hell, he did it with Carolina and Jake Delhomme.

- Bill Belichick: 1st year 5-11, 2nd year 11-5 & Super Bowl Champs. Yeah, but he had Brady. Okay, let's look at other successful franchises.

- Mike Tomlin: 1st 10-6, 2nd 12-4 & Super Bowl Champs.

- Mike McCarthy: 1st 8-8, 2nd 13-3.

- Tom Coughlin: 1st 6-10, 2nd 11-5. (FYI Coughlin with the friggin Jags: 1st 4-12, 2nd 9-7.)

- John Harbaugh: 1st 11-5, 2nd 9-7.

- Sean Payton: 1st 10-6, 2nd 7-9.

Fox inherited a mess but Pace gave him plenty of weapons to work with. It's amazing how many of you are still defending someone who's done so little. It's like the "Let's give Shea another chance, he's really not that bad you know" story all over again. *smh*

Ok...now give me an apples to apples comparison. Were any of those coaches on their 5th QB? Were any of them claiming DB's cut from other teams to start for them? Were any of them starting receivers who couldn't catch? Yes...Pace has increased the talent level. Yes...we were expecting an improvement in the second year....but to ignore the factors that have led to where we are currently is just silly.

So yeah...Pace gave him more, I wouldn't say plenty, weapons to work with...but many of those weapons are currently in the shop being fixed. Why do you all EXPECT a broken gun to work like it's not broken?

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Why Are We Even Talking About Fangio Leaving And Not Fox?... Dec 13, 2016 0:45:08 GMT -6

Post by germansbombedph on Dec 13, 2016 0:45:08 GMT -6

Not sure if you read why Elway parted ways with Fox? Word is, the Front Office didn't know it would be that bad to work with him. Fire Fox or next year will be another wasted.

If Loggains is fired and Fangio leaves for whatever reason, why keep Fox? If you start over new, do it completly instead of waiting another year with bad coordinators. Fox failed as Bears Coach. Simple as that. Early on, we were bad due to Coaching. We lost because of Coaching decisions. No more excuses, start to finally get a fucking clue and win some Football games.

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Why Are We Even Talking About Fangio Leaving And Not Fox?... Dec 13, 2016 6:11:04 GMT -6 GrizzlyBear likes this

Post by riczaj01 on Dec 13, 2016 6:11:04 GMT -6

Dec 13, 2016 0:45:08 GMT -6 germansbombedph said:

Not sure if you read why Elway parted ways with Fox? Word is, the Front Office didn't know it would be that bad to work with him. Fire Fox or next year will be another wasted.

If Loggains is fired and Fangio leaves for whatever reason, why keep Fox? If you start over new, do it completly instead of waiting another year with bad coordinators. Fox failed as Bears Coach. Simple as that. Early on, we were bad due to Coaching. We lost because of Coaching decisions. No more excuses, start to finally get a ****ing clue and win some Football games.

Ya heard that yesterday, apparently Elway warned HH that Fox is a PitA to work with which is why he was let go in Den. This goes back to how much control Fox has over a young GM and who is really calling the shots in HH.

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Why Are We Even Talking About Fangio Leaving And Not Fox?... Dec 13, 2016 7:22:57 GMT -6 riczaj01 likes this

Post by butkus3595 on Dec 13, 2016 7:22:57 GMT -6

Dec 13, 2016 0:45:08 GMT -6 germansbombedph said:

Not sure if you read why Elway parted ways with Fox? Word is, the Front Office didn't know it would be that bad to work with him. Fire Fox or next year will be another wasted.

If Loggains is fired and Fangio leaves for whatever reason, why keep Fox? If you start over new, do it completly instead of waiting another year with bad coordinators. Fox failed as Bears Coach. Simple as that. Early on, we were bad due to Coaching. We lost because of Coaching decisions. No more excuses, start to finally get a ****ing clue and win some Football games.

Well, not for nothing....Elway isn't exactly a picnic either...so I'm not sure what to make of that. And yeah...I would whole heartedly be on board with firing Fox and promoting Fangio if it meant keeping Fangio.

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Why Are We Even Talking About Fangio Leaving And Not Fox?... Dec 13, 2016 7:59:04 GMT -6

Post by brasilbear on Dec 13, 2016 7:59:04 GMT -6

So the logic seems to be:

1. Bad teams fire coaches after 2 seasons or less
2. Bears don't want to be a bad team.
3. Hence don't fire the coach after two seasons or less*

*unless of course its Trestman because he just had to go. But Fox? Nope, can't fire him because apparently they risk becoming bad if they fire Fox.

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Why Are We Even Talking About Fangio Leaving And Not Fox?... Dec 13, 2016 8:21:34 GMT -6 GrizzlyBear likes this

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Dec 13, 2016 7:59:04 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

So the logic seems to be:

1. Bad teams fire coaches after 2 seasons or less
2. Bears don't want to be a bad team.
3. Hence don't fire the coach after two seasons or less*

*unless of course its Trestman because he just had to go. But Fox? Nope, can't fire him because apparently they risk becoming bad if they fire Fox.

Which also leads to the conclusion that having Fox makes us good. oh wait...

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Why Are We Even Talking About Fangio Leaving And Not Fox?... Dec 13, 2016 8:26:20 GMT -6

Post by brasilbear on Dec 13, 2016 8:26:20 GMT -6

Dec 13, 2016 8:21:34 GMT -6 @bearsinhouston said:

Dec 13, 2016 7:59:04 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

So the logic seems to be:

1. Bad teams fire coaches after 2 seasons or less
2. Bears don't want to be a bad team.
3. Hence don't fire the coach after two seasons or less*

*unless of course its Trestman because he just had to go. But Fox? Nope, can't fire him because apparently they risk becoming bad if they fire Fox.

Which also leads to the conclusion that having Fox makes us good. oh wait...

Whats even better is that everyone admits that Fox isn't the long term coach, so he's going to be fired anyway in a year or two. WHAT!!! So, they can't fire Fox because firing coaches leads to badness but Fox isn't the coach for the long term anyway, but they can't fire him because......

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